Russian special military operation in Ukraine #41

OH DEAR GOD ISOS, RUSSIA HAS THE PINTO!!!!

Anyone have information on Ugledar? It looks like Russia lost the battle of Ugledar.

This is outdated info from 4 weeks ago, looks like Russia lost the battle of Moscow and Putin has been overthrown

Ah jeez, not Ugledar again? I hear that Rzhev fell to the Ukronazis again.

My guess is that they might take parts of it, say the much larger gun and stick it on a t 90 and maybe some of the armor packages and electronics but the black eagle itself? Same as T-14, except we might see the T-14 in combat if this thing lasts long enough.

The Black Eagle was a concept tank that never actually worked because the Russian Army don't like tanks with ammo in the turret bustle... never have...

The T-90AM has 10 rounds in the turret bustle but it is isolated from the turret... you open a hatch on top and reach in and grab the rounds and then pass them in through the turret hatches to load into the autoloader...

The Black Eagle based on the T-80 was rejected before they did any real work on getting it to work, and the T-72 Rogota I think it was called that also had a turret bustle autoloader was also rejected as an upgrade path for the T-72s for the very same reason.

Both vehicles only ever had 125mm guns planned for them... there was and there is no need for anything bigger.

This is a good accomplishment. But maybe there should be a refferendum in Russia about how to proceed with the war. Take a bigger economy penalty and fight with more force and get this done sooner. Or keep going like this. The Kremlin thinks ppl will opt for the former but I doubt it.

Democracy is useless in war time... do you think the average voter has enough knowledge and experience in fighting a war to make such decisions?

It's better to let the dollar die, let US arrest trump and cause internal destabilization, and bleed the remaining industrial capacity of the west -

The rest they can do themselves

There will be race riots there next as the 1% struggle to deflect public opinion from their real problems...

I don't think he cares too much about image... he is tasked with getting a job done and he and his military experts are privy to all sorts of information the man on the street has no idea about.

Lets not worry about image... Putin can make mistakes, the point is that he is no sellout and has Russias interests first and foremost in his mind and his decisions... something the rest of the world needs in their politicians but seriously lacks.

Lots of people think changing one thing or another thing would completely change the results... lots of people think changing one decision during WWII might have completely changed it in a particular way but reality is much more complex.

You could say going harder will be quicker and more effective... I would say that is the tactic the west has applied to Russia and look at how that has backfired and had completely the opposite effect that was intended.

Do you think Germany being even more nasty to the Soviet people would have changed the results of the war.

In fact it could be argued that if what jewish people say now that Nazi Germany was all about exterminating the jews and no one else was true and they treated the Soviet people with a bit of respect they might have changed sides and worked together with Germany against the western allies with which they had very little in common except when Germany was their mutual enemy.

I would think Hitlers best chance of winning the war would have been to make a deal with Stalin and in return for importing oil and steel and food from the Soviet Union Hitler could leave the Soviet Union alone and just take out Britain.

Germany could have gotten the Soviet Union to build their tanks... in fact up until 1933 when Adolph took power they were working together on tanks so the collaboration could have continued... they might have skipped the first model T-34 and gone for one with a bigger three man turret that worked like German tanks of the time with German optics companies moved to the safety of the Soviet Union...

They didn't have the ship landing force to attack Britain in 1939, but neither did the west until they built that up and had it ready by 1944... except without losing two thirds of its soldiers on the eastern front and having the Soviets perhaps supplying tanks and aircraft there would be no need to attack north africa... the soviet union could supply everything the Germans needed.

Europe would be German.... and the US would have to negotiate, and of course if Germany cooperated with the Soviet Union then Japan could do the same and get all the oil and materials it needed that US and UK ships blockaded them from getting which caused the war in the Pacific.

Of course that doesn't work, you can't just change the things you like and expect everything else to be the same.... everything they did was based on what had happened so changing things will change what they did too... you might make things much worse.

You can't fight a war through democracy because to make good choices you would need complete information which of course cannot be made public for obvious reasons.

Fuel tankers for the logistics of the upcoming Ukrainian offensive.

The problem for Hitler is that if he didn't attack the Soviets and decided to fight the UK instead Stalin likely would have waited to see who was going to win and then enter the fight and crush the Germans after the UK and US forces wasted 10 million dead soldiers in the fight instead of the 11 million soldiers the Soviets lost dealing with the Germans.

The point I was trying to make is that going all hard out and killing everyone doesn't work any better than what they are doing now... it would simply not be possible for Russia to exterminate all the Ukrainians and then carry on afterwards like nothing happened... even if they could kill them all and they can't.

The western allies sent thousand bomber raids on German cities and only killed a very small fraction of the number of people there each time... it would take hundreds of years and enormous volumes of ordinance and even then they could kill them all.

Air power is simply not as effective as most people think despite it being the cornerstone of HATO military power.

the US has never fought a real opponent, ever. They only faced opponents that were significantly less equippe wrote:

A real opponent was Vietnam.

North Vietnam also suffered heavy losses. They lost many more soldiers.