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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Apr 05, 2023 2:48 pm

    Russia wouldn't want a Vietnam ending

    To lose the war, to be able to say they killed "many more soldiers"

    That's a recipe for defeat

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Apr 05, 2023 2:58 pm

    Finland joining NATO shows how desperate NATO is for members.

    Finland allied with Nazi Germany in WW2. Stayed a hard neutral during Cold War. Today has a flourishing trade with China. Now part of NATO. No invectives on values, democracy.

    White man's privilege.

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    Post  lyle6 Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:04 pm

    Vietnam was a massive loss for the US in terms of casualties despite massive tech and material advantages: 
    - 360k dead, 1.5 million wounded and 2 million surrendered
    Or we can just go cherry pick to get the mythical 20:1 K/D for the US, in which case the USSR can also claim an unbeatable 22500:1 K/D ratio over the Americans and their butt buddies.  Razz

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    Post  Isos Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:13 pm

    Russia already demilitarized Ukraine. They still need to push to the borders of the Donbass though. They also sent ukraine back to the stone age. West will never accept a destroyed country in EU, even less if russians destroy the remaining ports.

    They already achieved more than US in Vietnam.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:27 pm

    Russian homework is not over yet tho... Even with Bakhmut taken they still need to press on, capturing the entire Donetsk and ensure that normal life can return there. Also to prevent something like Kherson city from happening again.

    I'm still looking forward tho for a renewed Kharkov and Sumy offensive. That will create a nice buffer zone for Russian mainland.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:35 pm

    Putin announced the involvement of Western intelligence agencies in the preparation of terrorist attacks in Russia, by Olga Ivanova for VZGLYAD. 04.05.2023.

    Putin: The potential of Western intelligence agencies is involved in the preparation of terrorist attacks in Russia by Kiev.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin considers Western intelligence services involved in Kiev's preparation of terrorist attacks on Russian territory, he said at a meeting of the Russian Security Council.

    “Neo-Nazis and their accomplices operate not only on the territory of the new subjects of the Federation, but also commit crimes in other regions [of Russia]. There is every reason to believe that the potential of third countries, Western intelligence services is involved in the preparation of such sabotage and terrorist attacks,” TASS quotes him.

    Earlier, Putin said that the Russian leadership needs to quickly integrate new regions into a single legal space with the whole country.

    https://vz.ru/news/2023/4/5/1206268.html

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:57 pm


    Whining like little bitches again?

    Stop being candy-ass pussies and kill some apes already

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    Post  Hole Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:00 pm

    The Russians received the command to slow down the capture of Bakhmut, Avdejevka and Marjinka

    MOSCOW-BASED MILITARY EXPERT MARAT KHYRULIN: THE GOAL NOW IS TO KILL AS MANY UKRAINIAN UNITS AS POSSIBLE

    "Our military is not interested in lightning strikes at this time." The offensive on Artyomovsk was deliberately slowed down so that the Ukrainian command would bring more and more of its units into the firing line.

    Source: Twitter

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    Post  Hole Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:13 pm

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    Little gathering of AD and mine-clearing vehicles somewhere in the zone.
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    New BTR-82A´s moving around

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:54 pm

    Another evil bites the dust

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    #NEW 🇺🇦Special Forces Officer of the Ukrainian Intelligence Agency, Captain Denis Yasinsky, died after being injured in a shootout with Wagner in the east of Bakhmut Denis

    Yasinsky was the Donetsk regional chief of the right sector founded by the Ukrainian nationalists.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:54 pm

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    Casualty count according to Mediazona and BBC

    So we have been right generally about casualties

    What's interesting is for pro Ukrainian and western count , even though they say it's low ,

    They're analysts and intelligence is combing VK and other Russian media to see for postings on losses

    This is what they could muster

    In reality the count could be lower , if this includes Wagner and LDNR losses

    But shocking to see Russia has taken almost no losses

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:01 am

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    Here mediazona even confirms that this count includes inmate losses

    I think they are underreporting the inmates to keep the number of official RU losses higher

    I think it's closer to 7k inmates, 7k LDNR 4-5k RU army
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:05 am

    Whining like little bitches again?

    Stop being candy-ass pussies and kill some apes already

    Not at all... just clearly defining who exactly they are fighting against, which will be useful in defining who they can damage and who they will want to avoid damaging.

    RF UR-77 blasts Ukrainian fortification in the Kremmenaya forest

    Have to say that the use of mine clearing vehicles to deal with trenches and fortifications in forested areas is very very clever... that and the video of the tank where the enemy fired an anti tank round at the tank and you see from the tank and the drones perspective the enemy position which the tank then proceeds to destroy shot by shot... clearly using the drone view of the target ahead in real time to accurately take out enemy soldiers.

    The video of the mine clearing vehicle shows the same thing where a drone looks for targets and monitors the Russian vehicle moving forward to deliver the attack... monitors the results and then allows follow up attacks to ensure effect and then the Russian vehicle withdraws.

    That is very capable and very sophisticated use of drones in modern combat.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:07 am

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    What we see here is a chart depicting Tanker, Artillery, and Pilot losses heading to the November battle of bakhmut timeline,

    We see it drop as Bakhmut begins, confirming the army has disappeared , while wagner and inmate losses surge as Bakhmut begins:

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    It proves the Russian army is lurking behind the line

    Which is why the west probably doesn't want to let Zelensky start his own offensive or even use the Leopards

    Considering if Zelensky uses his last forces, and leaves the Russian army a clear path to Dnieper -

    But what it shows is why the ammo consumption drops in November from around 50,000-60,000 per day to 10,000 per day around the time when Prigozhin starts whining about ammo

    I think that Surovikin, which later was credited with Bakhmut strategy by Prigozhin, slowed consumption and rate of advance to stockpile ammo and equipment for when the army comes out of hibernation I will show another post with ammo production from both sides

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:28 am

    We have western media report on ammo shortages

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    We have Shoigu, Medvedev and Putin visiting assorted factories, and we are confirmed ammo will increase 8x by end of 2023
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    Meanwhile Lockheed is only making 10k a year, of GMLRS, meaning if they are exporting GMLRS, and providing to US forces their own stocks, Ukraine likely can fire off 3-4 salvo a day at best... which speaks for itself
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    Lockheed says by 2024 theyl ramp up to 14,000, but this is still a small number, it's even more worrying for Ukraine that US will only be able to produce 98k shells for 155mm a month, by 2028...

    This means if Russia returns to even HALF of the stated 8x production, given that current production is 3.5 million shells a year , we have 12 million shells produced, while US by 2028 will be making 1.2 million shells by 2028...

    There is just no way to win against Russia in a kinetic conflict , let alone escalating the conflict

    Then you look at FAB500 UPMC production:yury Ignat from Ukrainian Air Force says Su35 and Su34 is blowing Avdeyevka , Kharkov, Sumy with FAB500 at a rate of 20 gliding FABS a day

    Fighterbomber says UMPC outfit for FAB will increase to 300 a day, meaning usage can increase

    But if current VKS sorties are 200 a day average, and most are drone/recon/or non strike missions, then the amount of fixed wing aircraft able to deliver these UMPC needs to increase, another selling point for Mig35

    More FAB launchers are needed, and pilots as well

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:39 am

    Finally: given the industrial and casualty disparity between Russia and Ukraine/NATO

    this shows why US does not want to give F16 or M1Abrams to Ukraine- the US has 3500 M1abrams in storage, and over 1000 F16 in reserve or active use - they can easily give Ukraine 500 tanks and 100 F16

    Why they do not? Because Milley and likely CIA already gamed the war. They can't win in escalation - if you game the numbers Russia wins every time

    The only way west can win, is to keep the conflict at low simmer. Not that the strategy will work, but its their best shot

    Keep it low and slow,  draining Putins political points, and score cheap shots by terror attacks on the bridge, Low level journalists and bloggers like Fomin and Dugina, just under the threshold of provoking a massive response

    But enough to damage the Kremlin and divide society

    It's smart, and realistically the only way they have a chance , but it won't work

    Because by the same token, the low boil suits Putin as well - granted security is noticeable, and although there is no war in Russia or even noticed, the measures are becoming more visible to society

    But ultimately by this strategy Putin has insulated the Russian economy from large shocks, prevented radical fluctuations in the economic recovery, and generally runs a conflict without economic strain

    I think for all parties, For west and Ukraine (out of self preservation) a low boil with terror attacks suits them, and for Russia this gentleman's war with slow grind of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians for 18k RU army/inmates/wagner/LDNR is acceptable

    For Putin even more so, as the west won't get to face China with its industrial capacity bottlenecked on Ukraine

    In short, No matter the pace of the war,  Russia will win every outcome  - for the west its a choice to be made

    Lose now, or lose later - and that choice will be dependent on how their elites choose to break the news to their own populations of how the hegemony ended


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    Post  dionis Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:41 am

    Based on those numbers for pilots, basically no one survived being hit. Biggest shocker for me personally. Really sad to see.

    130 pilots killed, with ~150 aircraft destroyed as per Oryx, including "on the ground."

    If we assume Oryx is even 65% correct and it's 100 aircraft lost in combat, and 75/25 split for 2/1 man crews... that's 175 pilots shot down, and 130 of them killed. If we assume Oryx is less correct, that means the survival rate is even lower.

    Wonder what the survival rate was for Ka-52 ejections...


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:48 am

    Mediazona reports 110 killed which is probably overstated anyway

    But the real shocker is how the figure dropped to 1 killed in all of January- March

    So UMPC really made a difference

    Even given that, I'd say the numbers are good and slide down after the Ukrainian air defense basically disappeared as an integrated system

    The VKS is basically flying 200 median sorties a day , with 1 loss in 3 months

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    Post  dionis Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:52 am

    Where are you looking? I see 130 here.

    https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:54 am

    Check the disclosure in the bottom of military pilots bar graph

    It states 110
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    Post  mnztr Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:00 am

    Casualty count according to Mediazona and BBC wrote:

    Same source says 157k irretrievable losses for Russia. So what is that based on?
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    Post  dionis Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:04 am

    It says 110 with verified dates of death, or 130 total (I guess that means 20 have a date of burial, not death).
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:24 am

    "Even given that, I'd say the numbers are good and slide down after the Ukrainian air defense basically disappeared as an integrated system "

    This must be a terrible shock for NATO strategists, their worst fears coming true.. The reality of a Russian type IADS striking home.

    Given that the Russian AD is considerably more capable than Ukraine's has been and would survive as a system much longer, then the losses to NATO aircraft in a war would be horrendous. Their fear of the S-400 looks well founded based on the S-300.

    No way is the US going to allow NATO aircraft to be exposed to this potential adverse publicity. Even their high end drones (Global Hawk to Iran and Reaper to Russia) have had their reputation shattered, showing the World that they are only of value against non AD capable countries. So ............................

    Just watch as the sales of Russian AD products rise very quickly when they get released back onto the export markets.

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    Thanks Arkanghelsk for all that work.

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