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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:09 pm

    Spring in Mariupol:



    AFAIK, Ukraine claims some 100,000 people were brutally murdered there less than a year ago.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:21 pm

    And raped. Don't forget about raping.

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:45 pm

    It is a Su-25 with an S-25-O fragmentation warhead rocket with radio proximity fuse.
    Creates up to 10.000 fragments. Cool

    Mariupol alone has more economic growth than the whole of Ukropistan.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:49 pm

    This isn't really all that relevant here but the Russian sports thread is locked. What's somewhat relevant is that these people are Ukrainians from Mariupol (their vlogs have popped up a few times in the past) and they recently went to Russia "proper" and were wowed by the southern cities. Here they're in Krasnodar and attend a local football game. Gotta say that while I'm not a big sports person, that stadium is freaking slick really:



    And it wasn't even part of the 2018 WC either, surprisingly.

    Anyway, pardon for the somewhat off-topic post. Feel free to delete.

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    Post  Firebird Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:43 pm

    If Russia could reunify much of the Ukraine and Belarus, it would potentially have a very strong league. Not for off enough for a federation.
    Dynamo Kiev, Kharkov, Shaktar Donetsk (or their descendants) would have a strong tradition and catchment area. (Altho the scummy pro Ukraine sentiments of some supporter bases would need to be removed). Potentially Dynamo Minsk too with the 3 or 4 top Moscow teams and Zenit St Pburg.
    Southern Russia and Western Russia have a lot of good stadia, and attendances really improved after the World Cup.
    If Europe continue to be cocksuckers, Russia and related states can simply join the Asian Federation where India, China and similar carry a lot of weight. Rather than the US puppets of Europe.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:06 pm

    This might help some of us Smile

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #41 - Page 33 FuiKEsmXsAA_jUK?format=jpg&name=medium

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:19 pm

    Booo, where are the nukes?

    Oh, Charly did that too.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #41 - Page 33 ESf3tGmXcAEgctl

    Kinda misleading though.. Most of the devices pictured are long gone and/or were simply one-offs. The tac nukes 24/244 and 28 were properly serialized and actually operational/carried though, and by all accounts still remain in the arsenal (if I am not entirely mistaken, inert rounds have been spotted on modern Sukhois recently during drills).

    Shoulda added them to the first picture, so to speak.

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:50 pm

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    Post  Arrow Tue Apr 25, 2023 6:40 pm

    Interesting
    https://t.me/msgazdiev/1199

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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:53 pm

    Iranians can be stocked up to the roof with some calibers, and some of them facing utilization due to expiry dates or something. Why not by dropping them on the Ukro heads? wrote:

    Remember also with peace breaking out in Yemen Irans ammo needs have been greatly reduced.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:55 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Internationalizing the conflict to take on a multipolar vs unipolar dimension would go a long way to showing that Russia is not alone against the so called "international community"

    That's a great way to get f*cked over again just like USSR got f*cked over

    Remember all those ''grateful'' shitholes that Sovs helped? That worked out great Razz




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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:56 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Dude if NK or Iran provide ammo I don't see anything wrong with it

    Hit Ukraine with 30,000 shells a month and stockpile new production

    It's a win win


    30K shells a month? Why give those mofos a break? Maybe up it to 60K shells a day.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:58 pm

    Arrow wrote:Interesting
    https://t.me/msgazdiev/1199

    Translation just this once:

    In addition to the T-14 Armata, a variety of, even exotic, experimental weapons continue to flash at the front.

    Some time ago, we saw a tank with a huge and not at all tank gun in the SVO zone — presumably 152 mm caliber. Around — a bunch of people in white shirts under brand-new camouflage jackets.

    Representatives of design bureaus are regular guests at the front, bring and test experimental samples of weapons, and sometimes come to finalize the old ones.

    SSO fighters, for example, constantly have new anti-drone guns and REW systems, about the use of which they are asked to write reviews and suggestions.

    These are electronic warfare systems — from small, portable, to huge, for the whole "Urals". What are they doing? No one knows. The guys are already used to it, they don't pay much attention.

    And this is only part of what we have seen for ourselves. What is now emerging, being developed and being worked out, will be in service with our country for decades

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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:59 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This might help some of us Smile


    How many of these are currently in production or well stocked I wonder. Is FAB 3 and 5K in particular readily available? They should really FOAB the RADA.

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:53 pm

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    Russian soldiers at the so-called "bridgehead" of the Ukros.

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:19 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #41 - Page 33 Fuk6px10
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    New houses in Mariupol
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    Propably posted before. Suspect

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:44 pm

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    Putin signed the Ukaz to seize western assets in Russia, if Russian assets are illegally seized

    Excellent - about time

    Next, cancel the grain deal

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:52 pm

    The grain deal was totally just a sideshow for west to say "we need to ship from Ukraine to Africa but there is nothing stopping the Euros from moving it through Hungary or Romania and then to wherever then Africa. There is no reason to allow it to move through Crimea. Hell, the Eurotrash could try and pretend to show some kind of gain by saying they can move the grains through Europe instead.

    But everyone knows that they won't get anything from Europe and that it makes it very obvious when in this regard the blame can be redirected anywhere else other than Brussels.

    But African countries and Asian countries aren't stupid like the Euros think they are.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:10 am

    The grain deal was a way to keep Odessa open and operating so they can sneak stuff in and out of there.

    Pretty sure it wont be extended and might even be stopped early with no progress at releasing Russian grain and fertiliser in Euro ports.

    This is a wakeup call to Russia to stop using Europe to distribute Russian products and produce to the world...

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:53 am

    The grain deal was not made to deal with grain.
    At least from the Russian perspective.
    It was carried to present the world's community that they are open for solutions to save the poorer countries from hunger.
    What is a problem here is that I highly doubt there is a single person among forum members who can be a part of this show, that is living in a country with serious hunger issues.
    Principal matters.
    It ain't a joke for a big part of the world's population.
    Spending 40-60% of your income on food is a daily routine for billions.
    When there is a war involving 40% of the world's types of food production output, things cease to be funny.
    And guess what?
    West managed to turn that into a joke!
    With mouths full of slogans and honey, they have robbed the Ukro from its last and sole asset at dumping prices.
    Filled own warehouses.
    And showed a middle finger to the people in real demand.
    How do you think, are people in Africa stupid and won't recognize that?

    And finally, when some seeds started to flow outside the wealthy billion, it turned out that it is rooting!
    Or the pesticides contain can kill a dragon.
    Or that it does not comply with any norms for food production.
    There was no better way to inflict mass turmoil on the EU food producers, and that is what we have now.
    Most of the EU food-producing countries are being shaken by the farmer's strikes.
    In most of the cases, the EU corrupted regimes are trying to solve that with the only solution they know - throwing more money into the fire.
    Empty money created by new debts emissions.


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    Post  mr_hd Wed Apr 26, 2023 8:54 am

    So it seems that Ukraine is expermienting and testing its long range air and sea drones. For the sea drones they are basically probing Russian defenses and sensors and are starting to show new models with new capabilities.

    At the moment no one knows how many they poses - but generally number should be small. However even that is enough to block big part of the Black Sea and makes Black Sea fleet useless lol.

    On the airborne front, there are clips of Ukrainian UAV flying over the center of Moscow lol, it is proven they do have now drones with 1000km range. However they are not technically advanced yet and probably they are not able to mass produce them... yet.

    However their UAV program is among the fastest developing in the world currently, around 80 companies are involved, program for more heavy and longer range attacking drones is still lacking more advanced programs, with more precision and resistance to electronic jamming for example but they are working on that.

    Ukraine now is 11th spender on military in the world, it is enormous jump, 1/3 of their economy is dedicated for war conflict.

    That means Russia will have huge problems there long-term, it is questionable how much territory would be able to keep.

    Even Ukrainian ability to held parts of Bakhmut 6 months longer than it should shows that their military power grew in past year substantially. They made red line there and so far are able to immensely slow down and in some cases even to stop Russia lol.

    And btw Russia there has enormous losses of stuff and equipment (not only Ukraine, they have less, much less as they defend heavily fortified positions).

    So far Russian involvement proved to be disaster, country does not have such mighty hallo of great military power on global stage and its status will be more and more challenged. Ukraine will be fortress on its doorsteps and will be very aggressive toward any Russian interest with no compromise. Stay tuned.

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    Post  Firebird Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:16 am

    Go back to Washington, HD. 🙄

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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:36 am

    If there is a Kiev offensive it will likely be crushed and there are no reserves, no plan B and so once this offensive has been dealt with they will fold and Russia will have to decide how far into this failed state they want to venture into.

    The real problem is that the west can't be trusted... the grain deal and the Minsk agreements... any ceasefire on their part can be seen as a small part in an overall plan to buy time to build up Kievs forces and try again in a few years time with better preparation and probably more weapons and more money.

    Of course time is running out for the west so actually the longer this goes on the better it is for Russia and when it does end Kiev is not going to like the terms... which cannot possibly be as good as previous offers of the past.

    During this new offensive it will be interesting if Russia can get large groups to change sides when they see how futile things are... walk them through the Crimea and just let them talk to the people of the Crimea and let them decide what animals the Russians are and how terribly they have treated the Ukrainian people inside their borders...

    The west will want to hide the truth from them as long as they can but eventually they are going to find out that the US that is supporting them now is the same US that was supporting Afghans that were fighting the Taliban... not that long ago.

    Biden says he is running for reelection but I don't think any American would vote for him, and when he leaves power what drives this shit show that is Americans fixation with the Ukraine and Russia?

    Most other candidates would prefer to focus on China... for which they are talking about the same tactics that secured a lasting peace in Europe... ironically.

    Pick the biggest kid there and corner him and move forces close to his border and get all the local kids to gang up on him and pressure him by pushing his buttons and see if you can make him snap...

    Didn't work well in Europe, probably same result in Asia...

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    Post  Werewolf Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:23 pm

    So it seems that Ukraine is expermienting and testing its long range air and sea drones. For the sea drones they are basically probing Russian defenses and sensors and are starting to show new models with new capabilities.

    At the moment no one knows how many they poses - but generally number should be small. However even that is enough to block big part of the Black Sea and makes Black Sea fleet useless lol.


    I will happily answer to your claims during working time and getting paid on top of that.
    It's not 404 that is experimenting or testing weapons or capabilities, but by the direct planning and instructions of the US. They are since before the war started testing offensive and defensive capabilities of RF from operational to strategic level.
    The evidence for that is the willing cooperation and intel SBU has and being of same ethnicity as Russians it is easy for them to infiltrate and stay in the shadows since 2014 and being activated sleeping cells within RF. Their actions is from simple but effective espionage, sabotage about troops, formations and even with help from sympathisants within military bases has shown it. Terror tactics against civilians based on their own created Kill list openly communicated via their "mirotvorez" website tells you a record and plans of subjects for A) some sort of object Astiride101 perversion and sense of "justice" which translates to cruelty for their own pleasure B) perverted real-time alternative history they are writing as some addendum to their already alternative history of holodomor and "Kievan Rus'" being UkraJnian history.

    This drones are just a mere tactical poking to see what strategy sticks and where the bear's fur is thinner. What it does is in real life terms a political move more than a military revelation of some game changing outcome. IT is and will be used for propganda on social media and the free western media but in reality such scenarios are used by both sides to advance own offensive and defensive capabilities with real life experience. The situationship of small drones being quite devastating for any country regardless of their AD capability, Russia included. Such scenarios are a driving force to develop weapons and strategies to harden your shield and sharpen your blade.


    On the airborne front, there are clips of Ukrainian UAV flying over the center of Moscow lol, it is proven they do have now drones with 1000km range. However they are not technically advanced yet and probably they are not able to mass produce them... yet.
    404 has no weapons of their own with exception what they didn't manage to sell after 91.
    The rest what they get on UAVs is only for the purpose of what I have described above.

    However their UAV program is among the fastest developing in the world currently, around 80 companies are involved, program for more heavy and longer range attacking drones is still lacking more advanced programs, with more precision and resistance to electronic jamming for example but they are working on that.

    Did you drink kool-aid or just uninformed like the usual F-16-nutter? They have no industry whatsoever and certainly not MIC. It's all foreign industries. The only thing UA is producing is meat for the grinder. You won't find any military facility on all of UA that has a production line of anything else but small munitions and grenades.

    Ukraine now is 11th spender on military in the world, it is enormous jump, 1/3 of their economy is dedicated for war conflict.
    Ukraine doesn't spend a thing, they have no economy to spend a thing. The US "giving" them land-lease like supplies, which on paper are bigger than what they actually recieve. Big part of that money is just going through the washing machine. The costs of UA are handed over to EU, mainly Germany as the Germans have been raised to be patient people and can be bend and positioned doggy style without complaining. They are paying the bills of the US.

    That means Russia will have huge problems there long-term, it is questionable how much territory would be able to keep.
    Neither the non existing UA nor Russia are here to decide when it ends, at least not in their favored outcome, but the US.
    The US has several options:
    A) Wait for an opportunity to get out of Russia's business when they (s)elect Trump
    B) Continue with sleepy Joe by their known voting machines that will tilt the outcome to their favored candidate and following as planned
    Planned is intensifying Russia's conditions by opening a second front, which they failed so far with Belarus and Kazakhstan. They will try with Poland and Baltic Chihuahaus next all at the same time breeding PONOS countries for war condition.

    Even Ukrainian ability to held parts of Bakhmut 6 months longer than it should shows that their military power grew in past year substantially. They made red line there and so far are able to immensely slow down and in some cases even to stop Russia lol.


    You are indoxicated just like any Westerner living their "freedom". If the Russians are so shitty why not join the front for a little bit Bear hunting like your Iraq and Afghanistan veterans? They enjoyed their visit.

    And btw Russia there has enormous losses of stuff and equipment (not only Ukraine, they have less, much less as they defend heavily fortified positions).

    That is and will be only known post-war time. Not really something anyone with no confidential information can discuss now.


    So far Russian involvement proved to be disaster, country does not have such mighty hallo of great military power on global stage and its status will be more and more challenged. Ukraine will be fortress on its doorsteps and will be very aggressive toward any Russian interest with no compromise. Stay tuned.

    Yes, a total disaster. The only case in entire human history where Military losses outweight civilian losses all while the receiving end of washing machine chipped backyard developed rockets are helping UA in de-communization and their clown of a president is traveling across Europe and US to beg for a few tanks. They are doing great!

    The big picture is scewed where you are and you are happily buying into something that is absolute exceptional in all of human history. This is not a war, nor a condition you would find in any hostile countries. Russia is doing it with conditions that no other country was facing.

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