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    Post  JohninMK Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:49 pm

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    Official Moscow confirmed that Odessa will remain in the zone of interests of Russia,Maria Zakharova said that Odessa would become free.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:01 pm

    odessa is a part of russian history. it is russian to it core. russia will be much safer to keep ukraine land locked ..better still take the whole thing.

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    Post  Isos Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:08 pm

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    Military expert Knutov : Not all missiles fired by the Russian Armed Forces will be able to reach Western Ukraine. This will be prevented by five air defense zones

    So what AD are on that map ? Which colour represent what ?

    If their systems are so much fixed you can just program you Kalibr to fly in the dead zone.flying as low as 30m make those circles far small when it comes to engaging them. The way thry draw them is true when the target is an il-76 flying at 10km high...

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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:33 am

    There's this article about how Ukraine JDAMs aren't working. And they are being jammed by Russia or something. 

    But Ukraine doesn't have JDAMs does it ? 

    & there's these leaks and rumors that Ukraine might cancel the counter offensive

    Some of this shit could be true I guess. But it might be all FUD. FUD to lower the expectations of the counter offensive in the Western public. Just so that they can propagate that the offensive is exceeding expectations when it starts. 

    It's impossible to know at this point.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:45 am

    Maybe the strike on the massive Diesel stockpile killed it

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Apr 13, 2023 4:48 am

    Ukraine is out of air defense seems like, out of artillery

    I think Zelensky best bet is to disobey Pentagon and Zaluzhny

    Why burn the last vehicles on an offensive that's gonna get destroyed by FAB 500 glide bombs?

    Ukraines best bet would be to withdraw after Bakhmut to Kiev - they can't hold territory anymore

    The window for an offensive is closing, and Russian army start waking up from hibernation soon

    The clock is ticking, and without anything to fight off the VKS, they're going to have to make hard decisions soon

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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:06 am

    Official Moscow confirmed that Odessa will remain in the zone of interests of Russia,Maria Zakharova said that Odessa would become free.

    If they had capitulated early in the conflict or done what they promised to do with the Minsk agreements this would all not be necessary... the longer it goes on the more Russia will take, the longer range their weapons, the more territory will need to be taken as a buffer zone to keep Russian territory safe.

    I think Zelensky best bet is to disobey Pentagon and Zaluzhny

    If rumours are true Zelensky was prepared to sign a surrender after a couple of months of fighting, but Boris Johnson sailed in and told him he could not, if he was any sort of man he should be tormented now by the number of his men he has sent to their deaths for the US and UK and EU...

    Why burn the last vehicles on an offensive that's gonna get destroyed by FAB 500 glide bombs?

    Not to mention that even 100kg and 250kg glide bombs could be carried in much greater numbers and hit rather more targets... smashing optics and destroying bits they don't have a lot of replacements for is as good as a kill...

    In the Middle East IEDs with HE payloads of 50kgs were destroying Abrams tanks so FAB-100 and FAB-250s should do the trick as well.

    Shame they didn't go for the Su-25TM because Hermes missiles, 8 to a pylon, would have been rather useful for carrying 16 ATGMs and have 6 free weapon pylons for other weapons like AS-10 or twin LMUR missiles...

    Laser guided 80mm rockets would probably not have enough penetration in the HEAT versions for heavy tanks but for most other vehicles they would be great... they could use S-25MLs or 122mm S-13 rockets with a guidance package to kill even quite heavy tanks.

    But they are not going to have thousands of tanks... a few hundred at best.... which Hermes and Kornet and LMUR and a range of other missiles would destroy fairly easily... anti armour rocket delivered submunitions would be a fantastic way to blunt a counter offensive very quickly.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:10 am

    The US asked for 500,000 155mm shells from South Korea. Ukraine won't be running out of shells for the next couple of months.
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    Post  famschopman Thu Apr 13, 2023 11:35 am

    I suppose air superiority is becoming more important by the day now. Taking out those deliveries, warehouses, weapons, troops, fuel and command centers before they reach the battlefield and cause; well behind enemy lines.

    I think there is a fine line between keeping the meat grinder or taking a more offensive approach working towards a final blow to avoid your opponent from replenishing stock, weapons and troops and reinvigorating weapon production facilities. The longer you wait, the more difficult it will become.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:04 pm

    Airborne Forces and PMCs switched to new tactics in Artemovsk, by Andrey Rezchikov, Evgeny Pozdnyakov for VZGLYAD. 04.13.2023.

    The new tactics of assault squads in Artemovsk began to have a tangible effect.

    Russian assault detachments captured several city blocks in Artemovsk. This happened after the Russian paratroopers took over the flanks, thanks to which the Wagnerites concentrated their efforts on fighting in the city. The new tactics of PMCs and the Ministry of Defense, experts say, accelerate the capture of Artemovsk. What are the features of this tactic and what terms can we talk about the complete liberation of the city?

    Assault detachments of PMC "Wagner" captured three quarters near the city of Artemovsk. This  was announced on Wednesday  by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov. In addition, the Airborne Forces fettered the actions of the enemy on the flanks of the assault detachments.

    Operational-tactical aviation strikes and artillery fire from the Southern Group of Forces hit units of the 28th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and enemy reserves that were trying to break into Artemivsk from Chasov Yar and Bogdanovka.

    On the eve the founder of PMC "Wagner" Yevgeny Prigozhin announced the control of 80% of Artemovsk by Russian forces. Among them are “all administrative centers, plants and factories” of the city and nearby settlements. He highlighted the actions of the paratroopers, who took over the flanks, thanks to which the assault units concentrated their efforts on the city itself.

    However, according to Prigozhin, residential areas with high-rise buildings, under which tunnels have been dug, remain under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is on the assault on these structures that the main efforts of the PMC fighters are now concentrated. The successful actions of the “Wagnerites”  were noted by  the adviser to the acting head of the DPR, Jan Gagin.

    According to him, PMC fighters are fighting fiercely in the western part of the city, where a grouping of Ukrainian troops of several thousand people is recorded. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to deliver reserves to the city, "but most of them are destroyed at the entrance." Russian forces, Gagin added, have stepped up pressure on the only road linking Artemovsk and the city of Chasov Yar.

    Recall that Artemivsk is located north of the large city of Gorlovka and remains an important transport hub for supplying the Ukrainian group of troops in the Donbass. During the retreat, Ukrainian units blew up buildings in the city center, including the administration building.

    At the same time, a few weeks ago, it was assumed that in late March - early April, the enemy plans to launch a large-scale offensive and deliver flank cut-off strikes in order to cut off Wagner PMC units from the main forces of the RF Armed Forces.

    In early March, it was also reported about the buildup of enemy forces in the Artemovsk area. We are talking about four groups: the 67th brigade in Slavyansk, the 81st and 66th brigades in Seversk, and one more brigade each in Konstantinovka and Chasovoy Yar. However, a possible counterattack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Artemovsk region did not take place due to the prompt resolution of a number of issues.

    “The reason for the successful advance in Artemovsk is as follows: Wagner PMC transferred part of its own area of ​​​​responsibility to the Ministry of Defense. Now the relevant department actually completely controls the Soledar sector of the front, ”said military analyst Mikhail Onufrienko.

    “Thus, the assault squads managed to effectively redistribute forces and fully concentrate on taking the rest of the city. At the moment, we are seeing an active offensive by PMC "Wagner" both in the settlement itself and in its environs: from the village of Krasnoye to Orekhovo-Vasilyevka. We can say that the pressure of PMCs has almost doubled,” the expert notes.

    “I emphasize that without close coordination of the two structures, this would not have been achieved. This means that between the heads of departments and higher structures there was an understanding of how to solve current problems. And this is a good sign,” the source said.

    Member of the DPR parliament Vladislav Berdichevsky agrees with this opinion, adding that there was no “grater” between Wagner and the Ministry of Defense, the problems were in logistics and a number of management decisions on the ground. “The army has a charter that implies certain algorithms of actions. PMC works differently. But now I see that all issues have been resolved, and work continues for the sake of a common goal,” the deputy says.

    He added that on Wednesday he met with civilians who returned from Artemovsk. “They say that only the western quarters remain under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Wagner PMC is already entering there,” the deputy said.

    Therefore, I think that the next two weeks will be final for the capture of the city.

    Onufrienko is confident that the well-coordinated work of the Ministry of Defense, Wagner PMC and volunteers will have a positive impact on our advancement deep into enemy territory. “The situation in Artemovsk is proof of that. I am not sure that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will hold out in Artemovsk until the beginning of May. PMCs will gradually grind the remnants of the enemy garrison, and the army team will cover them from the flanks. The well-coordinated work of all structures is the key to Russia's success,” the expert sums up.

    The fact that the "Wagnerites" are aimed at finally liberating the city was announced on the radio  "Moscow Speaking" by  war correspondent Alexander Sladkov following his trip to Artemovsk. According to Sladkov, no one is thrown at the enemy like cannon fodder, and the tactics of PMCs avoid unnecessary casualties. According to his forecast, the city could be liberated before the end of April, as Yevgeny Prigozhin predicted earlier.

    https://vz.ru/society/2023/4/13/1207275.html

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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:15 pm

    Gonna be a while i think if Russia intend to get Odessa, especially with loss of foothold in Kherson city and amphibious landing seems out of question. Essentially they have to break their way through Nikolaev first.

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    Post  famschopman Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:02 pm

    If they remain fully dependent on Wagner as the 'mighty fist' punching through the front while regular army secures flanks and supports with air and artillery it will take longer. The opposite side is that bluntly pushing forward is not easy, lots of mine fields, ambushes still out there and the terrain is quite difficult. Going fast will surely end up with a significantly higher casualty rate.

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:12 pm

    Every goddamn day on this site...

    The Russians don't give a **** about the territory in and of itself, except for the sole purpose of gaining advantageous positions to attack and defend from. That's it.

    This is a fight to the last. Ukraine will be bled white and the West will be disarmed and only then will the Russian forces make a victory lap to secure territory

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:41 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:Gonna be a while i think if Russia intend to get Odessa, especially with loss of foothold in Kherson city and amphibious landing seems out of question. Essentially they have to break their way through Nikolaev first.

    Russia is not rushing in to get the whole southwest of Ukraine.

    They probably want to wait until Ukraine will have exhausted trained manpower and equipment, and ig meanwhile will fight against them in favourable positions.

    To get to Odessa Russia will have to trade in the life of many soldiers, and will have to repeat something like the Marioupol battles both there and in Nikolaev once the rest of the surrounding territory will have been taken.

    At the moment ukraine is pulling out manpower and conscripting people from the streets (and from their homes) in the whole of their controlled territory in order to fight in Donbass (where they die like flies).

    I am sorry for the unwilling conscripts, but the alternative for Russia will be to go and die in tens of thousands to get to Odessa six months earlier.

    Probably if the Odesseans will have rebelled and fought against the Ukrainian regime forcing them to fight against Russia, less of them would have died (and they would have helped Russia in the meanwhile).

    Since there is now a new batch of ukrainian soldiers that received training in Poland or in Germany in the last few months that are now ready for battles, they will have to be either neutralised or captured, before Russia can think about getting to other regions.

    Furthermore it is also possible (or even probable) that Russia will want first to remove Alexandrovsk (Zaporozhye) and Ekaterinoslav (Dnepropetrovsk) from ukrainian control, and then get to Nikolaev and Odessa coming from north east

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:03 pm

    I doubt South Korea will give much ammo

    They have their own needs, and the leaks indicated that South Korea is hesitant to give any ammo it would need against North Korea

    They are dangerously low on the main ammo which is needed : 155mm and buk and s300 missiles

    https://t.me/intelslava/46845

    More fabs launched by su34 against Zaporozhye

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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:25 pm

    According to the Ukrainians themselves this new counter offensive was supposed to push the Russian forces back so they could go to the negotiating table from a position of strength... if there is no counter offensive in the next few months they run the risk of the Russians grinding their troops up... troops which are using ammo and vehicles and fuel they most likely want for the counter offensive.

    If they are not careful the offensive will never come and they will just bleed all their new resources into the front line fighting just to keep the front stable and static... and it appears to be moving back.

    Kiev is preparing for an offensive but Russia has also boosted its numbers by several times... it was probably a force of 120 thousand that went into the country of which perhaps 80 thousand were fighting men and they took a large area of ground from a much much much bigger force than they are talking about for their counter offensive.

    Now they have 300K Russian forces added, who will be trained and prepared for this conflict, so they are in a better position than the first group, and their air power has learned to deal with enemy air defence, much of which has been whittled away anyway, so air power is likely to take a much bigger toll on the enemy forces as well.

    The orcs are going to struggle with their counter attack even if they do manage to advance in some areas it is going to be a slaughter.

    Amazing HATO training for 6 months wont protect you from Hail... or anything heavier if you know what I mean... I don't think a HATO force would enjoy walking through a field sown with Tulips.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:59 pm

    T-90M in Artemovsk
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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:34 pm

    A lot of red tape on that tank. lol1

    Re: Odessa
    Odessa and Nikolaev will be liberated from the North, just like in the GPW.

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    Post  franco Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:45 pm

    According to Western sources, Zelensky does not abandon the tactics of saturating Bakhmut with manpower and quickly grinding it down during the fighting.


    https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1646536290815602688?cxt=HHwWgMDTvYyC1tktAAAA

    NOTE: by the numbers 83,000

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    Post  Arrow Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:47 pm

    A lot of red tape on that tank. wrote:

    Yes this is how someone marked the new ERA mounted in red in the photo Smile

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:48 pm

    Good, good

    That's the right stuff, more to Bahmut

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    Post  Arrow Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:54 pm

    https://vk.com/video-140312885_456264838

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    Post  mnztr Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:57 pm

    Russia must really want the Bakhmut meat grinder to continue. If they really wanted to end it all they need is a couple of SU-34 with 12 FAB500 glide bombs. Everytime they meet resistance, just hit hit it with a glide bomb. After you do this to a few, its guaranteed the resistance will collapse. But the fact they are still allowing Ukraine to reinforce supports the fact they wanna feed the meat grinder.

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    Post  Hole Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:15 pm

    NOTE: by the numbers 83,000
    So in the real world the number is more likely closer to 20.000.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:38 pm

    T-90M in Artemovsk wrote:

    If you are doing an extended bombardment from a stationary position, is it not better to keep the front of the tank to the enemy? It would take seconds to adjust it.

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