Firebird wrote:Absolutely ridiculous.
Around 12m left the Pukraine, roughly have westward, half to Russia.
Around 10m of the Ukraine's area joined Russia.
Some of those are in both categories.
So over half of the Ukraine's population is now gone from KIev's jurisdiction.
The idea that middle ground "Ukrainians" let alone the pro Russian half somehow see Nazis as "protectors" sounds like the type of tripe that would be written on the BBC or CNN sites.
Its hard to be publicly "pro Russian" if it risks u getting your head blown off. It really is as simple as that.
If the Bandera regime was so popular it wouldnt need to ban 12 political parties, 3 news stations, commit mass murder etc etc.
People don't change such deeply held views just because some cocksucker points a gun at their head. Half the Pukraine was pro Russian in 2014 and half of that geography still is today. Its basic common sense, and verifiably from the key facts as well.
As for the vermin that want to suck Nazi cock, well they'll end up dead, or **** off to Poland to clean toilets, or can enjoy the modern equivalenrt of long term prison labour. Russia will be in no rush to turn the trash into fine upstanding Russians. As long as they are de-armed, have faced justice and have been segregated geographically from the actual Russians and reasonable Pukrainians it doesn't really matter. These things took decades in previous centuries, there is no rush. Russia has started the job, it has progressed, it might as well finish the job properly. Because such opportunities don't happen often.
Lord save us from such an opportunity. And I had hoped that he might do. Evidently however the war was destined to take place and Putin signed a trap for himself with the same Minsk agreement.
And this S-E of the Ukraine then, where the opportunity is, what does it avail of itself? Pure territory? Well sure, but Russia has enough of that already, more than it knows what to do with. The only value here is the access to Pridnestrovie which unlike S-E Ukraine never tolerated no Nazis patrolling its streets and recruiting more people to their ranks.
Agricultural land specifically? Sure, but whatever is left of the Ukraine will probably dam up the Dnepr upstream anyway or put pesticides in the water or whatever retarded policy. And again Russia has enough agricultural land. The main issue is the lack of hands to toil it with.
Which brings me to people. You can assume that many of the Ukro loyalists will vote with their feet and head to Europe to live, but many won't. Even now with combat all over the place, you still have people ready to feed co-ordinates and intelligence to the Ukrainian army, or assassinate pro-Moscow officials, and this sort of thing will likely continue after the war. Over a huge area. In the best case scenario Russia will have some 10 new million citizens from annexing all these regions (excluding the Donbass here which I consider separately). Sure, they will provide some economic value. But the emigration has been very significant, it will continue, both to Europe and to other parts of Russia, and endemic problems there such as alcholism, high crimerates and low birthrates will continue. It will take huge economic investment and much time to reverse these trends. And again, you're lording over a population among whom a considerable number don't want you there, and where those people on your side might be intimidated by Ukrainian nationalist fanatics.
Well the final value of S-E Ukraine are its industrial enterprises. But frankly, what of those that the last 30 years hasn't scattered to the winds yet, this war probably will do, and is doing.