Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

Red army won in the end, but the entire genocide in the east, and almost losing St. Peter, Moscow, and Stalingrad could have been avoided with competent leadership during the opening stages of barbarossa

We keep hearing this but this was at a time when the amazing military superpower of the UK and France had already been pushed back into the sea and obliterated despite their amazing leadership and training and the quality of their troops and weapons and equipment...

There was not land based force in all of Europe that would have done better against the Germans... we know that because they didn't.

More good news. Wonder if the 45 Azov operatives released in exchange for those 3 pilots are on their way to the front?

Hope so... harder to kill if they go anywhere else...

I know if those but they are kinda like the BMP-3. I don't think they have MBT level armor protection do they?

The entire reason for being of the BMPT was for a vehicle with SPAAG level gun fire power but with tank level protection and mobility that could operate with tanks where it was not safe to operate softer vehicles like BMPs and BTRs to support the tanks in places where infantry are too vulnerable to operate without getting killed.

The chassis does not make it a tank. The Typhoon is on the same platform at a T 14. It may not be the same protection class is the bmP-3 but I don't see any evidence it approaches MBT Levels of armour.

Using a tank chassis gives it tank level protection for the crew in the Chassis.

Having a turret where the crew are located below the turret ring means there is no part of the turret you can hit and kill the crew because they are essentially protected by the frontal hull armour like the driver.

This is rather better than the vehicles previously used in the ground support role like the ZSU-57-2 and the ZSU-23-4 and the Tunguska, which all have large turrets and not much armour.

The ZSU-57-2 has a T-55 chassis but with reduced armour to reduce weight and most of the crew are in the open topped turret.

Have you seen how large a 57mm cart is? 30mm allows serious firepower and qty of rounds. Thats it. Whats the max rate of fire of a 57 mm vs 30mm? These machines are to hose down the enemy. Yes I have heard of all of these, they lack the MBT level armour. So you are making them go closer to the enemy with less armor.

The T-15 has a 57mm grenade launcher with an enormous HE bomb for the calibre and also a rather large and high velocity APFSDS round too...



It also carries Bulat ATGMs which are relatively small and designed to hit point targets that do not have MBT level protection, but it also carries Kornet missiles which can deal with any tank known...

It can also carry troops in the rear troop compartment or extra ammo for the main weapons... it is based on the chassis of the Armata tank but with the engine moved to the front.

The Typhoon is on the same platform at a T 14.

Typhoon is a four and six wheeled family of light vehicles that are not related at all to the Armata chassis.

The Typhoon is on the same platform at a T 14.

According to preliminary data, 15 X-101/X-555 cruise missiles were fired at military targets in Kiev alone. The total number of missiles in a salvo is estimated at 50-80 units. The vast majority of missiles, including the R-500 of the Iskander-K complex, flew to military facilities in the Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions, where Ukrainian army reserves are being drawn up for the announced counteroffensive. In addition to cruise missiles, about 40 Geran-2 drones were also used against the facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

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S-60 on MT-LBu in action

video link please.

Important to keep in mind that the S-60 is an AA gun so the armour piercing rounds are not designed to penetrate tank or vehicle armour and also they are intended for use against aircraft but the armour piercing and HE rounds had to have the same weight and the same velocity so they both shoot to the same point of aim when fired from a mixed clip of ammo.

With the new ammo there are APFSDS rounds with very high velocity and of course the HE shell is as heavy as they can make it to make it effective.

That their trajectory does not match does not matter because on new vehicles it will have a digital fire control system so the barrel will be reaimed for each different type of ammo.

What that means for older gun types is that you have to zero each type of ammo and adjust your aim as you change to different ammo types.

The new HE rounds will likely travel slower than the older HE rounds that were designed to have a higher velocity to match the AP rounds so new HE rounds will likely have more drop, while the APFSDS round will shoot very flat.

Being able to use old barrels and old ammo stocks is a bonus of course and for many jobs the old ammo would be just fine... against enemy BMPs and M113s even HE rounds would probably be effective while even the old AP rounds would do damage to any light vehicles they operate.

video link please.

Too lazy to go to the website of Zvezda TV?


Waiting that someone puts one of these babies on a truck.

Using a tank chassis gives it tank level protection for the crew in the Chassis. Having a turret where the crew are located below the turret ring means there is no part of the turret you can hit and kill the crew because they are essentially protected by the frontal hull armour like the driver. This is rather better than the vehicles previously used in the ground support role like the ZSU-57-2 and the ZSU-23-4 and the Tunguska, which all have large turrets and not much armour. The ZSU-57-2 has a T-55 chassis but with reduced armour to reduce weight and most of the crew are in the open topped turret. wrote:

The armor of the tank does not necessarily go with the chassis. A lot of armor esp in older tanks is applique armor and I don see it on these machines. Yes they should have the same protection of a tank because they do a more dangerous job esp with the latest ATGMs they should have active kill protection systems.

This is not immediate, these are orders that will be placed, so months or years lead times possible.

Biden Administration Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine
May 9, 2023 |

Today, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced a new security assistance package to reaffirm the steadfast U.S. support for Ukraine, including to bolster its air defenses and sustain its artillery ammunition needs. This package, which totals up to $1.2 billion, is being provided under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI).

This USAI package underscores the continued U.S. commitment to meeting Ukraine's most urgent requirements by committing critical near-term capabilities, such as air defense systems and munitions, while also building the capacity of Ukraine's Armed Forces to defend its territory and deter Russian aggression over the long term. This includes committing additional 155mm artillery rounds and sustainment support to enable Ukraine to better maintain its on-hand systems and equipment.

Unlike Presidential Drawdown authority (PDA), which DoD has continued to leverage to deliver equipment to Ukraine from DoD stocks at a historic pace, USAI is an authority under which the United States procures capabilities from industry or partners. This announcement represents the beginning of a contracting process to provide additional priority capabilities to Ukraine.

The capabilities in this package include:

   Additional air defense systems and munitions;
   Equipment to integrate Western air defense launchers, missiles, and radars with Ukraine's air defense systems;
   Ammunition for counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems;
   155mm artillery rounds;
   Commercial satellite imagery services;
   Support for training, maintenance, and sustainment activities.

The United States will continue to work with its Allies and partners to provide Ukraine with capabilities to meet its immediate battlefield needs and longer-term security assistance requirements.

Prigozhin is back to whining about munitions. This clown needs to be retired. Even if not deliberately he is now working for NATzO and Kiev propaganda
departments.

I think it is pretty obvious that after the defeats on the Kherson and Kharkov fronts, Prigozhin is hedging his bets that a bigger defeat is coming or that the war will grind to a standstill. Thus he is positioning himself politically to say "I told you so" to gain a higher position after the fact.

Hopefully he is just being a doomer and the situation isn't actually that bad.

To Zoro-Ukroplover

Don't think anymore, please. Each of your messages is literally identical. Your persistent idiotic writing about the "defeats" at Ugledar, Kherson, etc. is already getting tiresome. The conflict is taking place in Ukroshitstan, not Russia. The side that according to you is heading for "victory" should then rush to Belgorod and Kursk.

kvs wrote:Prigozhin is back to whining about munitions.   This clown needs to be retired.   Even if not deliberately he is now working for NATzO and Kiev propaganda
departments.  

He is either right or retirement needs to be permanent

No halfassing

So I did I really see this right... The Kremlin used one T-34 in the parade because low information morons last year said that muh tanks should all be at the front and not at the parade ?

That was not the right decision. I still just cant believe it. The one time that they listen to the ppl , they end up with the biggest propaganda own goal yet.

It's almost like the IAEA already has its script ready for when one of the nuclear vessels is breached 

Anyone that criticizes Pregozhin needs to ask themselves why Wagner was formed in the first place. The Russian military, like most militaries, is a massive bureaucracy. IMHO Wagner was created for a few reasons. A rapid reaction force, a force to fight assymetric wars and a way to reform Russian military culture and test out new combat tech and tactics. Pregozhin is doing a great job IMHO.

Wagner is doing its job and getting sufficient support. Prigozhin is running his mouth like a retard.

He is not a military commander, BTW. He is basically a financier for the organization.

The armor of the tank does not necessarily go with the chassis.

The intention of the BMPT is a fire support vehicle to operate on the front line with tanks which means it needs tank level armour and the fire power to take out targets that tanks are not ideal for dealing with.

In other words it is about two BMPs rolled into one vehicle in terms of fire power but it does not carry troops... just the guns of the two BMP-2s... with comparable protection to the tanks they operate with.

A lot of armor esp in older tanks is applique armor and I don see it on these machines. Yes they should have the same protection of a tank because they do a more dangerous job esp with the latest ATGMs they should have active kill protection systems.

The vehicles previously used in the role were SPAAGs because of their fire power which is devastating in the ground to ground role, but the armour protection levels of these vehicles which are not supposed to roam near the front lines of a battlefield is weak... few could withstand much more than small arms fire.

Pregozhin is doing a great job IMHO.

Don't think there is any question about that, the problem seems to be that he is a bit of a drama queen that thinks open social media is the way to air dirty laundry... and in that he is wrong.

He is not a military commander, BTW. He is basically a financier for the organization.

Yes, he is a billionaire oligarch that the west like to claim own Putin and run Russia like a criminal mafia state... love the irony there....

He is basically a financier for the organization.

More like the promoter.

Big if true:
Syrsky, commander of the defense of Artemivsk (Bakhmut), liquidated by the Russian Air Force - military correspondents

According to preliminary information, General Syrsky, commander of the land forces of the Bandera horde, was eliminated during a bombing strike by the Russian Air Force. There are still no official statements.

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