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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #42

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    Post  Godric Sun May 14, 2023 11:17 am

    edit a wee bit off topic, looks like UK's Royal Navy suffering from more sabotage, this time 60 cables destroyed

    https://news.sky.com/story/sabotage-investigation-after-cables-damaged-on-royal-navy-warship-hms-glasgow-at-scottish-shipyard-12880235

    more than likely disgruntled Scots who are being denied there independence from the vile and corrupt UK as the ships are built in Scotland, hopefully this is the first of many such fightbacks against the UK by my fellow country men next target should be bases in Scotland, the people of Arbroath used to love beating the crap out of the English marines stationed nearby until they closed the base

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    Post  LMFS Sun May 14, 2023 11:36 am


    Yes this is probably part of the plan, to freeze the conflict in its current state, once the task of politically justifying the complete decoupling of Europe from Russia, and its turning into a low level colony of the Anglo-Americans has been accomplished. Further continuation of the war of attrition as currently lead by MoD could lead to the complete collapse of the ukrainian military in a few months from now and spell the loss of Odessa or even worse the fall of the regime and the complete victory of Russia. So, the remaining territories would allow to keep a smoldering conflict at Russia's doorstep that could be light back again as soon as they manage to grow a new iteration of their nazi army. Of course, Russia has other plans and that is what it all is about right now...

    Given the charm offensive by the clown in the European capitals, followed by the promises of strongly increased support and allegiances by Italy and Germany, it seems that the approach 404 has managed to secure is to offload the burden onto the EU and further delay the offensive and subsequent negotiations, but apparently relieving the US. It is great to know you can use your vassals when you need them  respekt

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    Post  Hole Sun May 14, 2023 12:03 pm

    Meeting in Berlin today:
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    Zelenskyi and Scholz

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    Post  Kiko Sun May 14, 2023 12:21 pm

    Cries and Whispers Along the Russian Watchtowers, by Pepe Escobar for Strategic Culture Foundation. 05.14.2023.

    Remember Putin: “We haven’t even started anything yet.”.

    “Whispers of an ‘evil power’ were heard in lines at dairy shops, in streetcars, stores, apartments, kitchens, suburban and long-distance trains, at stations large and small, in dachas, and on beaches. Needless to say, truly mature and cultured people did not tell these stories about an evil power’s visit to the capital. In fact they even made fun of them and tried to talk sense into those who told them.”

    Mikhail Bulgakov, The Master and Margarita.

    To quote Dylan, who might have been a Bulgakov epigone: “So let us stop talking falsely now/the hour’s getting late.” By now it’s quite clear the delusion of a “peace” deal in Ukraine is the latest wet dream of the “non-agreement capable” usual suspects, always hooked on lies and plunder while deftly manipulating selected liberals among the Russian elite.

    The goal would be to appease Moscow with a few concessions, while crucially keeping Odessa, Nikolaev and Dnipro, and safeguarding what would be NATO’s access to the Black Sea.

    All that while investing in rabid, resentful Poland to become an armed to the teeth EU military militia.

    So any “negotiations” towards “peace” in fact mask a drive to postpone – just for a little while – the original masterplan: dismembering and destroying Russia.

    There are very serious discussions in Moscow, even at the highest levels, on how the elite is really positioned. Rougly three groups can be identified: the Victory party; the “Peace” party – which Victory would describe as surrenders; and the Neutral/Undecided.

    Victory certainly includes crucial actors such as Dmitry Medvedev; Rosneft’s Igor Sechin; Foreign Minister Lavrov; Nikolai Patrushev; head of the Investigative Committee of Russia, Aleksandr Bastrykin; and – even under fire – certainly Defense Minister Shoigu.

    “Peace” would include, among others, the head of Telegram, Pavel Durov; billionaire entrepreneur Andrey Melnichenko; metal/mining czar Alisher Usmanov (born in Uzbekistan); and Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

    Neutral/Undecided would include Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin; mayor of Moscow, Sergei Sobyanin; Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office, Anton Vaino; First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential administration and media czar, Alexey Gromov; Sberbank’s CEO Herman Gref; Gazprom CEO Alexey Miller; and – special bone of contention – perhaps FSB supremo Alexander Bortnikov.

    It’s fair to argue the third group represents the elite majority. This means they heavily influence the entire course of the Special Military Operation (SMO), which by now has metastasized into an Anti-Terror Operation (ATO).

    The “counter-offensive” fog of war

    These different Russian views at the very top predictably elicit frantic speculation among US and NATO Think Tankland. Hostages of their own excitement, they even forget what anyone with an IQ over room temperature is aware of: Kiev – stuffed with $30 billion in NATO weaponry – may come up with less than zero effects out of its much lauded “counter-offensive”. Russian forces are more than prepared, and Ukraine lacks the surprise element.

    Collective West hacks, after feverish head scratching, finally discovered that Kiev needs to go for a “combined arms operation” to get something out of its new deluge of NATO toys.

    John Cleese has noted how the coronation of Charles The Tampax King looked like a Monty Python sketch. Now try this one as a sequel: the Hegemon cannot even pay its trillions in debt while Kiev P.R. goons complain that the $30 billion they got is peanuts.

    On the Russian front, the indispensable Andrei Martyanov – a maelstrom of wit – has observed how most alarmed Russian military correspondents simply have no idea “what type and volume of combat information is pouring to the command posts in Moscow, Rostov-on-Don or staffs of frontline formations.”

    He stresses that “no serious operational level officer” will even talk to these guys, joyfully described as “voenkurva” (roughly, “military bitches”), and simply will not “divulge any kind of operational data which is highly classified.”

    So, as it stands, all the sound and fury about the “counter-offensive” is shrouded by a thick fog of war.

    And that only serves to add more fuel to the fire of US Think Tankland wishful thinking. The new dominant narrative in the Beltway is that the leadership in Moscow is “fragmented and unpredictable”. And that may be leading to “a conventional defeat of a major nuclear power” whose “command-and-control system broke down.”

    Yes: they actually believe in their own silly (copyright John Cleese) propaganda. They are the American equivalent of the Ministry of Silly Walks. Incapable of analyzing why and how the Russian elite holds different views on the method and the extent of the SMO/ATO, the best they can come up with is “protecting Ukraine is a strategic necessity, since the Russian threat increases if Moscow wins in Ukraine.”

    What’s behind Prighozin’s sound and fury

    Trademark American arrogance/ignorance does not erase the fact there seems to be a serious power struggle among the siloviki. Yevgeny Prigozhin, a siloviki, in fact denounced Shoigu and Gerasimov as incompetent, implying they only keep their posts out of loyalty to President Putin.

    This is as serious as it gets. Because it’s linked to a key question posed across several educated silos in Moscow: if Russia is widely known to be the strongest military power in the world with the most advanced defensive and offensive missiles, how come they have not wrapped up the whole deal in the Ukrainian battlefield?

    A plausible answer is that only 200,000 members of the Russian army are currently fighting, and about 400,000 to 600,000 are waiting in reserve for the Ukraine attack. While they wait they are in constant training; so waiting works to Russia’s advantage.

    Once the famous “counter-offensive” peters out, Ukraine will be hit with massive force. There will be no negotiated settlement. Only unconditional surrender.

    What goin’ on right now – the Prigozhin drama – is subordinated to this logic, running in parallel to a quite sophisticated media operation.

    Yes, the Ministry of Defense (MoD) made several serious mistakes, as well as other Russian institutions, since the start of the SMO. To criticize them in public, constructively, is a salutary exercise.

    Prighozin’s tactics are a gem; he manipulates a degree of public outrage/indignation to put pressure on the MoD bureaucracy by essentially telling the truth. He could even go as far as naming names: officers who are abandoning different sectors of the frontlines. In contrast, his Wagner “musicians” are pictured as true heroes.

    Whether Prigozhin’s sound and fury will be enough to fine tune the MoD’s entrenched bureaucracy is an open question. Still, media coverage of the whole drama is essential; now that these problems are in the public domain, people will expect the MoD to act.

    And by the way, this is the essential fact: Prighozin has been allowed (italics mine) to go as far as he wants by the Higher Power (the St. Petersburg connection). Otherwise he would be in a revamped-gulag by now.

    So the next few weeks are absolutely crucial. Putin and the Security Council certainly know what everyone else doesn’t – including Prighozin. The key take away is that the ground will start to be laid for US/NATO to eventually turn rump Ukraine, the Baltic lap dogs, rabid Poland and a few other extras into a sort of Fortress Eastern Europe engaged in a war of attrition against Russia with the potential to last decades.

    That may be the ultimate argument for Russia to finally go for the jugular, as soon as possible. Otherwise the future will be bleak. Well, not so bleak. Remember Putin: “We haven’t even started anything yet.”

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/cries-and-whispers-along-the-russian-watchtowers/

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun May 14, 2023 12:23 pm

    Isos wrote:So the su-34 totally lost the cockpit part after the hit. Another proof it was a huge missile that hit it. No way a manpad or an amraam can do this. Only S-300 or Patriot could. The story about explosive inside the planes is also possible but hard to beleive they could infiltrate actual air bases where people generally know each other.

    Rybar says it could be NASAMS (has link16 and radar has optical sensors...)
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    Post  nomadski Sun May 14, 2023 12:25 pm

    @ Godric

    The English allowed the contracts for these six ships  to be built in the Clyde , as opposed to Southampton . This was a way of bribing the Scotish nationalists against independence . Seems like it did not work ! Disabling the CCTV , Dock security , is inside job for sure , for something that takes several hours to accomplish . You can call this the ever shrinking British Empire . The English , through their Dinosaur world view , and opting for Brexit , sacrificed the peripheral Scots and Irish , to save the central monopoly of power and wealth in London !


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun May 14, 2023 12:26 pm

    Godric wrote:edit a wee bit off topic, looks like UK's Royal Navy suffering from more sabotage, this time 60 cables destroyed

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    more than likely disgruntled Scots who are being denied there independence from the vile and corrupt UK as the ships are built in Scotland, hopefully this is the first of many such fightbacks against the UK by my fellow country men next target should be bases in Scotland, the people of Arbroath used to love beating the crap out of the English marines stationed nearby until they closed the base

    meh those were the same "friends of Ukraine" who detonated North Streams

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    Post  Firebird Sun May 14, 2023 12:40 pm

    I think the "neutrals" and traitors should comprehensively go and suck cock. Or better, rot in jail.

    Of course they want to make more billions and sun their demonic bodies off the French Riviera.

    Meanwhile the people of Dniepropetrovsk, Odessa etc get terrorised and murdered ever more.
    And the Turdkraine rearms itself further to bomb the Donbass again in the future.

    The Pukraine regime have been Nazi and pathological liars for 9 yrs. They aren't EVER gonna change.
    **** them. **** them with the dick of an elephant, then shit on their corpses.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun May 14, 2023 12:54 pm

    Meh.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun May 14, 2023 1:03 pm

    Why do you keep posting this retard?  Ukraine hasn't made any gains in Bhakmut ffs.



    The retard in Alphas video knows about much on military as I know on quantum physics. As Mercorous said, it's on Russian artillery range and all the dead through it are hit from artillery... lol

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun May 14, 2023 1:47 pm

    Ukrainian gains are negligible,

    Russia had purposefully taken buffer space to the west , southwest of Soledar to build echeloned defenses there where Ukrainian forces would move into and then receive devastating artillery fire, minefields , and defensive emplacements as they move in

    There won't be a return to Soledar or Bakhmut for VSU

    Those are probes seeking to draw RU reinforcements away from the main strike points in the south , and from Seversk

    The Ukrainians selling point are territorial gains, while Russia wastes them wholesale and takes up new positions

    The caveat is, as Ukraine moves closer to the border, the Russians can relaunch axis of advance around them

    This is continental land warfare,  territory is not the goal, but manpower is - see Battle of Borodino 1812, see Case Blue 1942 , see battle of Lexington and Concorde,  see battle of Gettysburg, see battle Thermopylae , see Khalkin Gol, see battle of novgorod, see Horns of hattin

    In all cases of continental land wars, the invading force took political objectives such as Moscow, New England, Greek plains,  Caucasus, see US plains in civil war, see Manchuria, see Deserts of Jerusalem

    What happened to Napoleon, Xerxes, Darius, Guy De Lusignan, General Paulus, Von Manstein, Lord Cornwallis?

    They took Moscow, New York, desert sands of Jerusalem, Caucasus, and then what?

    They had large territorial gains, and ended up losing the wars

    Continental wars are not fought as a sprint to obtain territorial objectives, they are fought logistically and by keeping your Forces intact

    And Zhukov, Washington, Salahadin, Greek generals, and many geniuses of theater level war knew this , the force which launched big arrow offensives got attrited through time , and the force which traded space for logistics and manpower, ended up winning in the end

    As the Ukrainians exhaust themselves in these suicidal offensives, it will only draw them nearer and nearer to a army group sized force which has been massing and training for months

    We have seen how this ends time and again

    Only the NAFO clowns are pretending to reinvent the wheel

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    Post  mnztr Sun May 14, 2023 2:04 pm

    Backman wrote:^Nafo retard alert. Update your block list


    Prigozhin is a Jewish billionaire. Not that it matters to me. But his supporters make it seem like he is some plucky underdog taking on the MOD hot shots. This just isn't true.

    How many Jewish billionaires do you see going so close to the action. Jewish or not, he is definitely committed to the task and frankly, doing a pretty good job. Putin needs an external actor to be a critic of the MOD. How else are you gonna improve and modernize the MOD. Militaries are really not good at reform due to their very nature of rigid hierarchy that is essential during battle.


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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun May 14, 2023 2:52 pm

    То Papadragon...

    Sometimes I wonder if it's possible that you're really such a ****.
    Are you being rude on purpose or are you just trolling forum members with provocative messages.
    Come on, give me one CLEAN victory of a Western country in some war in the last 100 years. They accomplished NOTHING in WW2 and they would all be German bitches if at least three quarters of the Nazis hadn't been killed on the eastern front.
    I will repeat that in the West they are GENETICALLY incapable of waging any kind of land war except for the state with the black-red-yellow flag.

    Yes, Serbia was in conflict with the American Navy, which targeted us with BGM-109s as well as with American aviation.
    The Serbs did NOT have any support from the outside and they did not have GPS support like Ukroshitstan has.
    And the most important thing is that there was NO land offensive of the NATO pact.
    Considering that I remember that year 1999 very well, I know that the majority of the population was relieved when the aggression against Serbia stopped. Many Serbs wanted NATO to come down to earth, but that did not happen.
    The NATO pact is a parasitic-Nazi creation and the aggression against Serbia lasted for 78 days and in that aggression more buildings were destroyed in Belgrade than the Russians demolished in Kiev.
    Ukroshitstan is NOT a primary target for the Russians.
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    Post  Godric Sun May 14, 2023 3:52 pm

    nomadski wrote:@ Godric

    The English allowed the contracts for these six ships  to be built in the Clyde , as opposed to Southampton . This was a way of bribing the Scotish nationalists against independence . Seems like it did not work ! Disabling the CCTV , Dock security , is inside job for sure , for something that takes several hours to accomplish . You can call this the ever shrinking British Empire . The English , through their Dinosaur world view , and opting for Brexit , sacrificed the peripheral Scots and Irish , to save the central monopoly of power and wealth in London !


    there's been a series of faults with the two UK aircraft carriers like bolts being glued on instead of been tightened, and flooding and mechanical problems, neither of the previous UK ships have had these problems, the type 45 was a problem of the labour governments making by going for a untried power system for the type 45 ships hence there break downs

    i can assure you there is more sabotage to the ship than just cables

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    Post  nomadski Sun May 14, 2023 4:46 pm

    Wow ! It is serious then . The smear campaigns against Nicola Sturgeon ( advocate for independence ) and her  husband , and appointment of yet another non- ethnic , Secretary and Prime minister , both in England ,  Scotland and Ireland , are indicative of a widening political / ethnic rift , necessitating the need for interlocutors and middle men . I remember there was talk of closing down the nuclear submarine yard in Scotland . If this war spreads to the UK , and there are indications that it may , do you think that Scots will ask the English to stop all military activity on their soil , so as not to  enter war with Russia ?
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    Post  Godric Sun May 14, 2023 5:21 pm

    nomadski wrote:Wow ! It is serious then . The smear campaigns against Nicola Sturgeon ( advocate for independence ) and her  husband , and appointment of yet another non- ethnic , Secretary and Prime minister , both in England ,  Scotland and Ireland , are indicative of a widening political / ethnic rift , necessitating the need for interlocutors and middle men . I remember there was talk of closing down the nuclear submarine yard in Scotland . If this war spreads to the UK , and there are  indications that it may , do you think that Scots will ask the English to stop all military activity on their soil , so as not to  enter war with Russia ?


    London would simply ignore it and do as it pleases, if they were to put English troops on our streets it would not end well


    you have to remember those two aircraft carriers were modularly built in sections throughout the UK and were put together in Rosyth in Scotland they only shipyard that can build large capital ships in the British Isles .... the English and pro brits in Scotland are going nuts about it as they know the ships were sabotaged by Scottish nationalists working in the shipyards, recruitment into Scottish military units by Scots are at a all time low, they are having to fill the ranks with non Scots


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    Post  Hole Sun May 14, 2023 5:26 pm

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    Last Ukro "stronghold" in Artemovsk. In the US this buildings would get a AAA rating. lol1
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    Sophisticated AGM-88 missile, shot down today. thumbsup

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun May 14, 2023 5:35 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:То Papadragon...

    Sometimes I wonder if it's possible that you're really such a ****.
    Are you being rude on purpose or are you just trolling forum members with provocative messages.
    Come on, give me one CLEAN victory of a Western country in some war in the last 100 years. .....

    WW2, Korea, Central America, South America, Balkans, etc...

    And best of all Cold War... without firing a shot and by simply telling Sovs to kill themselves which they promptly did



    Key to American success? No pussyfooting, kill everything

    We were pussyfooting and we got what we deserved, now Russians are doing the same and they will get the same at this rate






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    Post  Belisarius Sun May 14, 2023 5:43 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦.It is worth noting that panic reports are spreading in Ukrainian social networks that during the detonation of an ammunition depot in Khmelnytsky, a large batch of British tank ammunition with depleted uranium, which was recently brought to Ukraine along with Storm Shadow missiles, was also destroyed. As a result of a huge explosion, particles of depleted uranium could be dispersed on the territory of the Khmelnytsky region, which, taking into account the experience of Yugoslavia and Iraq, could lead to an outbreak of cancer in the medium term.
    There are already reports that the radiation background has allegedly increased in Khmelnitsky. Let's wait for actual confirmation.
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    🇷🇺🇺🇦 In Khmelnitsky, after the explosion of an ammunition depot, an increase in gamma radiation was recorded.
    https://t.me/intelslava/47715

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    Post  Belisarius Sun May 14, 2023 5:45 pm

    Further Khmelnitsky Depleted Uranium Update.

    Excellent research by Gleb Georgievich Gerasimov.

    A clear spike in gamma radiation was detected in Khmelnitsky on or about May 12th, with emission continuing to rise the following day and remaining at the elevated level thereafter.

    Considering how little gamma radiation comes from depleted uranium, this clear spike in gamma radiation in Khmelnitsky indicates that there was very large stockpile of the DU munitions that was destroyed, raising the uranium dust into the air.

    By comparison, the towns of Ternopol, Khmilnik, and Novaya Ushitsa (images 3, 4, and 5) remained at their apparent regular, base levels. This indicates that the Khmelnitsky anomaly is indeed a spike and corroborates the claim that the stockpile in Khmelnitsky contained DU munitions. The map viewed is attached as the sixth image.

    This British gift will keep on giving.
    https://t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/7088?single

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 14, 2023 5:50 pm

    Belisarius wrote:Further Khmelnitsky Depleted Uranium Update.

    Excellent research by Gleb Georgievich Gerasimov.

    A clear spike in gamma radiation was detected in Khmelnitsky on or about May 12th, with emission continuing to rise the following day and remaining at the elevated level thereafter.

    Considering how little gamma radiation comes from depleted uranium, this clear spike in gamma radiation in Khmelnitsky indicates that there was very large stockpile of the DU munitions that was destroyed, raising the uranium dust into the air.

    By comparison, the towns of Ternopol, Khmilnik, and Novaya Ushitsa (images 3, 4, and 5) remained at their apparent regular, base levels. This indicates that the Khmelnitsky anomaly is indeed a spike and corroborates the claim that the stockpile in Khmelnitsky contained DU munitions. The map viewed is attached as the sixth image.

    This British gift will keep on giving.
    https://t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/7088?single

    Hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about thumbsup

    And the residents of Khmelnitsky can thank the UK for their new soil layer of DU dust

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun May 14, 2023 6:50 pm

    Belisarius wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦.It is worth noting that panic reports are spreading in Ukrainian social networks that during the detonation of an ammunition depot in Khmelnytsky, a large batch of British tank ammunition with depleted uranium, which was recently brought to Ukraine along with Storm Shadow missiles, was also destroyed. As a result of a huge explosion, particles of depleted uranium could be dispersed on the territory of the Khmelnytsky region...

    That's the stuff

    Nuclear karma, baby!

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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 14, 2023 7:30 pm

    A must-read article. Goes into the strikes on Khmelnitsky, the ambush of the Russian aircraft and other things

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/nuclear-fallout-russian-strikes-create

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    Post  Scorpius Sun May 14, 2023 7:52 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦.It is worth noting that panic reports are spreading in Ukrainian social networks that during the detonation of an ammunition depot in Khmelnytsky, a large batch of British tank ammunition with depleted uranium, which was recently brought to Ukraine along with Storm Shadow missiles, was also destroyed. As a result of a huge explosion, particles of depleted uranium could be dispersed on the territory of the Khmelnytsky region...

    That's the stuff

    Nuclear karma, baby!

    Complete bullshit. The indicated radiation level is almost the same as the natural background. DU is dangerous not by radioactivity, but by the toxicity of its chemical compounds.

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