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    Post  sepheronx Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:49 am

    Maybe if he didn't run his mouth.

    Then again, we don't know what's happening. Maybe the guys who participated will get a good roll in the military.

    Wagner has a whole HQ. I won't be surprised if someone else takes over.

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    Post  Sprut-B Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:33 am

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:29 am

    Must admit, there is something mythical with those nazi skulls ...

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:53 am

    I don't understand why Russia always misses such opportunities.

    Why waste bombs destroying them when you can hit a few with missiles like Vikhr from 10km away and then when the other crews just bail you can capture some vehicles intact for inspection and testing.

    They aren't even reaching the Russian front lines with these tiny probing attacks.

    Kiev claims to have put together a huge force for this counter attack and the tiny number being killed and pushed back so far amount to less than 15,000 so assuming their original force was 80K soldiers then there should be a lot of troops still left all over the place... don't bother with a push by 300 troops with maybe 30 vehicles to use heavy glide bombs, and wait for the pushes with thousands of troops and hundreds or thousands of vehicles... and use 500kg cluster bombs... or just lots of 50kg bombs

    They were likely expecting a few successes with the Leos but they didn't even get into firing range of Russian troops... they are not getting into the kill zone of the Russian ground forces.... just the security area in front that is swept by artillery and drones and helicopters...

    The Internet is full of videos of Russian MBT turned into scrap metal, so why not take this opportunity to return the favour?

    And the western media will ignore it or modify it and pretend it shows the Orcs killing Russian vehicles instead...

    Russia is doing exactly what it needs to... it is winning the war on the battlefield... everything else is bullshit.

    I understand that drones are cheap, but the Fab-500 isn't expensive either, and a couple of them are enough to destroy the Ukro armoured concentration.

    Wasting 500kg bombs to make an impression is a waste of time against an enemy that believes its own propaganda.... it would make more sense to use 20kg KAB-20s with shaped charge 20kg warheads guided to hit individual vehicles instead.

    With no serious air defence threat, a Su-25 could have easily struck them with a glide bomb, which has a range of around 50 kilometres.
    I fail to understand why they didn't bomb the shit out of Ukrops while the opportunity was there.

    The counter offensive has started but we have not seen the bulk of the Orc forces yet, they are probably trying to decide where to launch their main attacks... and when they start sending in large numbers of men and vehicles... that is when you want the glide bombs, but until then keep taking down vehicles and men with drones and ATGMs and artillery.

    They does not miss that, you are calling them to cut a roast with a spoon. Glide bombs are to crush stationary targets with know coordinates. You cant effectively attack moving targets with that.

    X2, not to mention 500kgs of explosives is for buildings and bridges, not armoured vehicles.

    A 500kg cluster bomb with HE Frag submunitions would be OK for troops or retreating crews that just abandonned their vehicles, but a 500kg bomb against infantry is not an effective use of ordinance.

    I di believe that RuAF is active with helicopters and Su-25's in hitting moving columns. As Alamo states, moving targets are hard to hit with a glide bomb. But before they do move out and concentrate, they could be hit and I'm unsure why they aren't hitting at the concentrations prior to them moving out.

    They likely had the armour scattered around the place hidden in sheds and buildings... fuel and arm them up and then form a column and drive forward... to where the Russians spot them well short of Russian lines and hammer them.

    Which is what they have been doing.

    If glide bombs are not useful, then just use Smerch MLRS to **** everything up in the enemy's direction when the enemy is approaching your position.
    That would solve 50% of the problems related to Ukrop's offensive.

    This is just the tip of the spear, later attacks might consist of hundreds of vehicles and thousands of men... if you use up all your heavy glide bombs on the 10 vehicle 300 men attacks, what will you have left for the bigger groups of enemy troops?

    It's not an urban settlement, and there are no civilians. The terrain is flat with little to no cover—an ideal place for heavy bombardment, if you will.

    The orcs are not even reaching Russian lines... they are getting wiped out before they can even fire a shot at the Russians... only their artillery is working and it is getting destroyed too... they are clearly already doing enough to get the job done.

    The Su-25 is a very tough aircraft and it's clear that the blue-and-yellow vermin has managed to get a certain amount of those planes back into service.
    I am convinced that the Bulgarians gave their Su-25 to Ukroshitstan.

    America will be buying them from everyone who has them with all sorts of promises... they are not making a lot of difference... just target practise...

    То ISOS
    Delivered from France
    If it's any consolation, the Germans and the English are even worse...

    A good page to look to to see who is neutral and who is not.... note Egypt is not in the list, so the makers of the list don't believe the Washington Post either...

    The flood of the Dnieper washed away the German military graves of the Great Patriotic War

    How ironic... actions of new nazis exposing the remains of the last lot of nazis through there...

    Must admit, there is something mythical with those nazi skulls ...

    The Netherlands sending Crimean gold artifacts to Kiev to be melted down and sold no doubt, perhaps these remains should just be dumped in the sea with no ceremony because there is no honour in Europe any more...

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    Post  Backman Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:05 am

    It looks like Prigozhins shit is finally catching up to him. All the Prigozhin bros are freaking out.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:15 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The Netherlands sending Crimean gold artifacts to Kiev to be melted down and sold no doubt, perhaps these remains should just be dumped in the sea with no ceremony because there is no honour in Europe any more...


    Fighting dead is the very first sign that there is something seriously wrong with a nation.

    Here is the Wehrmacht war cemetery in Glinna :

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    And here is a combined Soviet and Polish war cementary in Szczecin :

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    Luckily, this madness is still far away from here ...

    Edit :
    This is interesting.

    Zemledeliye in action.

    https://t.me/SIL0VIKI/69227

    Take a look at missile trajectory - all of them make a course correction after leaving the tube. Never heard that it is corrected missile system, so kind of surprised.

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    Post  TMA1 Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:33 am

    The west doing a 180 and deleting history was one of the things that hardened my heart against this neocon/neolib establishment. One university even trying to drop Dostoevsky. Pretty nuts.

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    Post  Arrow Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:47 am

    https://lostarmour.info/news/unichtojennaya-tehnika-vsu-na-orehovskom-napravlenii-0754

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:01 am

    I am surprised that I have never heard the Americans say that they will send the "best" helicopter in the world, that is the AH-64..
    And while they make fun of the Russian "weapons that have no analogues in the world" I think that it is a far greater parody of the Western "game changing weapons"...

    And that's what I wrote before, that is, weapons belonging to more or less the same generation have more or less similar performance; modernized variants of Russian tanks T-72 and T-80 against Western tanks like Leopard 2 or Challenger 2, Russian planes Su-30SM and Su-35S against Western planes 4+ generations like Eurofighter, F-15/16/18, etc..
    Thirty fucking years ago and until now, the whole world had to get used to American nonsense like "our weapons are 10, 15 or 20 years" technologically ahead of the competition.
    The fucking Maverick "shoots down" the Su-57 with the F-14....


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    Post  nomadski Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:39 am

    Fantastic way of mine laying ! I was wondering how they do it so quickly ! So like it or not the Ukrs have decided , at least for now , to disperse their forces and make pin prick attacks ......( these no longer can be considered as recon , nor full scale commitment ) all over the place . True , it was better if they concentrate all their " forces " in one place and attack , like civilised men . Then they could be taken care of in a civilised manner . Which is more efficient ? To attack and create pincers or retreat and create pincers ? Attackers usually suffer more casualties , since exposed . Defenders less . If enemy not deeply entrenched , then attacking pincer more effective , since also allows capture of territory . If enemy deeply entrenched , then defending pincer ( tactical withdrawal ) may be more effective , as long as attacking enemy not allowed time to entrench and exposed in open and territory lost is small and not critical . Do these Rocket mines have expiry date ? Since if active for days and months , they become a hindrance for friendly troops on advance ? So Wagner finally becomes legit ? I would send small Wagner teams to different units , as planners and advisers . Those Nazi skulls , exposed , can be sent to NATO embassy !


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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:04 am

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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:05 am

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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:42 am

    Enemy resources confirm that our guys have launched a large-scale counterattack on the Vremyensky ledge. The enemy is retreating. Our Aviation and Artillery are working.

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    Post  Belisarius Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:49 am

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    In the last week alone, the number of published attacks by Vikhr anti-tank missiles has exceeded 50 episodes.

    https://t.me/lost_armour/941

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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:51 am

    Resident_UA writes:

    Our source in the Ukrainian President’s Office said that Tarnavsky reported to Zelensky about the loss of 30% of Western equipment in the first stage of the counteroffensive. There are heavy positional battles, a quick breakthrough of the front did not work out and now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to chew through every kilometer. Russian aviation, which dominates the sky, brings big problems to the Ukrainian army, and Ukrainian air defense cannot yet advance to the front, as they are being destroyed by drones if they do.

    Comment: They didn´t even reach the frontline. Very Happy

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    Post  Hole Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:13 pm

    The 127th division went on a powerful offensive against the lost part of the Vremievsky salient

    ▪Russian troops, with massive air support, attack Neskuchnoye, knock out the enemy from Makarovka.
    ▪ Cannon and rocket artillery are actively working.
    This is reported to us by soldiers from this sector of the front.

    Zlatti71

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:46 pm

    Like kicking an ants nest

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:54 pm

    From TASS

    Lightning
    June 12, 12:42
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the destruction of the S-300 air defense radar in the Dnepropetrovsk region
    In the area of village of Gai, Dnepropetrovsk region, a radar station of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system was destroyed - Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    "A radar station of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system was destroyed in the area of village of Guy, Dnepropetrovsk region. An ammunition depot of the 60th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed near the village of Glubokoye, Kharkov region," he said at a briefing on the progress of the special military operation



    * June 12, 12:41
    Up to 250 Ukrainian servicemen were destroyed in the Yuzhno-Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions

    * Lightning
    June 12, 12:41
    The RF Ministry of Defense announced the defeat of the command and observation post of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​Velikaya Novoselka

    * June 12, 12:40
    Up to 140 Ukrainian military destroyed in Donetsk direction per day

    Up to 140 Ukrainian soldiers destroyed in Donetsk direction in 24 hours - Russian Defense Ministry.

    * June 12, 12:40
    The RF Armed Forces repelled two attacks by units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​Pervomaisky and the outskirts of Maryinka
    Russian Armed Forces repelled two attacks by units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​Pervomaisky and the northern outskirts of Maryinka in the DPR - Russian Defense Ministry.

    * June 12, 12:39
    Military operation in Ukraine
    The RF Ministry of Defense announced the destruction of more than 55 Ukrainian military personnel in the Krasnolymansk direction
    Also destroyed self-propelled guns "Akatsiya" and "Carnation"
    The Russian Armed Forces destroyed more than 55 Ukrainian military personnel, self-propelled guns "Akatsiya", "Gvozdika" and a D-30 howitzer in the Krasnolimansk direction in a day - the Russian Defense Ministry.


    * June 12, 12:39
    Units of the 65th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated in the Zaporozhye direction

    In the Zaporozhye direction, units of the 65th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation were defeated by army aviation and artillery fire.

    * June 12, 12:38
    Losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Yuzhno-Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions amounted to 250 military
    Losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Yuzhno-Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions amounted to 250 military per day - RF Ministry of Defense.


    * June 12, 12:38
    Manpower and equipment of four brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were struck in the DPR

    *June 12, 12:37 p.m.
    updated June 12, 12:48 pm

    The Russian Defense Ministry announced the destruction of the ammunition depot of the 67th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the DPR
    According to the official representative of the military department Igor Konashenkov, the activities of the Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group were also suppressed in the area of​​the village of Grigorovka.

    * June 12, 12:37 pm
    updated June 12, 12:45
    Military operation in Ukraine
    Russian Defense Ministry announced a high-precision strike with sea-based weapons on the deployment of reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    According to the department, all designated objects are affected.


    MOSCOW, June 12. /TASS/. The Russian Armed Forces launched a strike with sea-based long-range precision weapons at the places of deployment of the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU). This was announced on Monday by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.





    * June 12, 12:26
    Military operation in Ukraine
    The German Defense Ministry said they could not say anything about the number of destroyed Leopards in Ukraine

    The representative of the department also refused to provide information about possible additional deliveries of tanks.

    BERLIN, 12 June. /TASS/. The German Ministry of Defense cannot say anything about the number of Leopard tanks destroyed in Ukraine or confirm the destruction of a radar station (RLS) from the IRIS-T SLM anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) delivered to Kiev. This was stated on Monday at a briefing by the representative of the German Ministry of Defense Mitko Muller.

    "I cannot tell you about my own information and I will not evaluate the statements of the Russian side," he said when asked to comment on the data of the Russian Federation on the loss of at least seven Leopards by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, Muller refused to provide information about possible additional deliveries of tanks in the light of the destruction of German equipment by Russian forces.

    He did not comment on the destruction of the radar from the IRIS-T SLM air defense system. "And on that point, I can't provide details," Muller said.


    On June 10, the Russian Defense Ministry reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost nine tanks, including Leopard, 11 infantry fighting vehicles, including the American Bradley, in the Yuzhno-Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions in a day. On June 8, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that Russian troops with the help of loitering ammunition destroyed a radar station from the IRIS-T SLM.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:03 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    BERLIN, 12 June. /TASS/. The German Ministry of Defense cannot say anything about the number of Leopard tanks destroyed in Ukraine or confirm the destruction of a radar station (RLS) from the IRIS-T SLM anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) delivered to Kiev. This was stated on Monday at a briefing by the representative of the German Ministry of Defense Mitko Muller.

    I buy that.
    They have censored Russian content, so can't watch the films we do.
    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:15 pm

    To ALAMO

    Leopard 2 was used in only two conflicts and in just a FEW days in Syria and also in Ukroshitstan a decent number of tanks were destroyed.
    The probability of destroying a Leopard 2 tank becomes worrisome....


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    Post  Werewolf Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:49 pm

    [img:516a]https://servimg.com/view/20436982/328]Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44 - Page 16 Img_2297

    The picture is photoshopped.
    The Ka-52 like any Russian Attack Helicopter is unable to launch ATGMs or fit any APU (Launching Pad System) from the inner pylon. The reason is historically gathered experience from catastrophic launches of ATGMs colliding with the helicopter.


    PS: This fucking editing function/image is not working for me properly. I hate it!

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    Post  Isos Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:07 pm

    Where is mi-28NM ?

    I was waiting for those images since the start. Choppers destroying US stuff by dozen at once. That's why they created it and it is doing properly the work. Pop up above friendly heads where there is no AD systems and shoot towards the advancing vehicles on the front before they arrive in range to use their guns.

    With the mines all over there is no way any ukro vehicles penetrates russian defences. Even if it penetrates kornet is waiting.

    Meanwhile Lancet strikes 20km in the rear on supply vehicles. And artillery targets infantry.

    That's a hell for ukros.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:22 pm

    Let's wait till Abrams and Challengers will enter the chat. how long will they survive in attack?



    higurashihougi wrote:
    Does people teach history in the UK military ?

    I don't expect everypeople to be well-known in history but even amateur internet history researchers know well about Operation Bagration.

    What kind of education does an UK tank regiment receive ?

    that's in general western elites program to re-educate society:

    “War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.”

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    Post  Regular Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:23 pm

    Isos wrote:Where is mi-28NM ?

    I was waiting for those images since the start. Choppers destroying US stuff by dozen at once. That's why they created it and it is doing properly the work. Pop up above friendly heads where there is no AD systems and shoot towards the advancing vehicles on the front before they arrive in range to use their guns.

    With the mines all over there is no way any ukro vehicles penetrates russian defences. Even if it penetrates kornet is waiting.

    Meanwhile Lancet strikes 20km in the rear on supply vehicles. And artillery targets infantry.

    That's a hell for ukros.

    Working. Mi-28 can use LMURs to hot targets BVR. They are very capable as well. There where videos from the ground that showed Mi-28s flying. I wouldn’t be surprised that some HUD videos where from Mi-28NM due to identical hud as to Ka-52M, but higher pylons for atgm that can be seen in launches

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