Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44

So for a clown

Peskov and Putin belong to the faction that does not want to escalate

It is the War faction which pushes them to utter "sanitation zones" and which now is forced to "end the grain deal"

Ramaphosa and the Egyptians are embarassing themselves, but they have also embarrassed Putin

They told him he must end the war , and why wouldn't they? He and Peskov have signaled that they want peace

Now Putin waves around the document which embarrassed him with signatures the Ukrainians shat on

He was going to agree to a 1/3 reduction of Ukraines military, and he withdrew on that premise

Now he's caught in a difficult place, where Kartopolov, Gladkov, Medvedev, Prigozhin, and many other elites cajole Putin towards the path of war

Putin is not going to get any agreements of neutrality, and the west won't stop

If he is hoping for electoral change,  it's a moot point, the path is war, and that's what he has to accept



Dmitry Peskov's statements:

The leaders of the African countries did not convey the message from Zelensky to Putin

The decision to exit the grain deal will be announce;

The leaders of African countries and Putin are ready to continue the dialogue;

Not all peace initiatives on Ukraine correlate with the position of the Russian Federation, but this does not mean that there is no need to conduct a dialogue;

@DDgeopolitics

And yes they definitely did convey the message, Ramaphosa told him to end the war

Now the grain deal is ending only because of disagreements with the Africans? Why wasn't it ended long before?

Anyway better late than never - but guys are dying while Moscow deliberates

This is why the West is crossing more red lines. In March 2022, it was unthinkable that the West would deliver so many weapons to Ukraine and that Ukraine would shell Russian territory.A weak Putin will have an increasingly escalating war.

Arrow wrote:       So for a clown

It’s only starting. I hate when politics open champagne before things are actually done. Reminds me of “Mission accomplished” sign of Bush the idiot.

Anyways, it seems that Bobr and their cheap FPV drones are wrecking whole companies worth of vehicles. Insane if you ask me. I remembered Ukrainians warned Russians that they will have thousands of drones for their counter offensive and yet here we are.

It's not over yet, there will have to be a sanitation zone, and thousands of more guys will die in the coming offensives

Hopefully Ukraine has been hurt enough by bakhmut and this offensive that there won't be that much in the way of attacking forces

But judging by South Africa, Egypt, and other smaller states reactions, pressure increases on Putin

Algeria was friendly enough, but overall they have embarrassed him by demanding an end to the war

What was good is that Russia did not capitulate, but the war party has been strengthened enough to overpower Peskov , Putin, and the other doves

Peskov will be ridiculed by the hawks , and Putin will be confronted behind closed doors to speed things up

Even Shoigu and Gerasimov cannot continue to be blamed for the lack of political will

The grain deal will end, and like a domino effect, pressure will increase on Putin to speed things up, because of the inflationary pressures that will fall on those states most affected by the grain deal

Specifically African and Asian states

Either way Ukraine est delenda and that is a good thing

Former deputy of Rada Kiva claims that the head of intelligence of Ukraine Budanov has died, 06.17.2023.

Former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Ilya Kiva, citing his own sources, said that the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence, Kirill Budanov, had died.

“Budanov died without regaining consciousness,” the information came from the Ukrainian Embassy in Germany. A source in the OP said, ” Kiva said.

At the same time, the ex-deputy believes that this information in Kyiv will be hidden for as long as possible.

On June 15, RIA Novosti reported, citing a source, that Budanov  was wounded  on May 29 during an attack by Russian troops on a Ukrainian intelligence building. 

According to the agency, after that Budanov was taken in a serious condition to the Bundeswehr hospital in Berlin, where he stayed until mid-June.

On June 16, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that Budanov allegedly attended a meeting of the military cabinet on June 16.

https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/1163289-kiva-razvedka-budanov

Quoting Kiva and Podolyaka is a devilish moveton. These are repainted shitheads, you should not take their words on faith, even if they say that the water is wet.

Leopard 2 rams a burning armored vehicle and flames out.

Hole wrote:

Bushmaster, looks more like a Bushloser.

i drove around in this thing in Afghanistan in 2008/2009.
Altough it was the up-armored version. An additional layer of honeycomb armor with another armor plating on top of that.

The version you see here is rated up against 7.62MM munitions non armor piercing.They gave them the basic version.
Anything above that goes trough. Also these vehicles are not suitable for combat without modifications.

In the picture here an up-armored version.


For example, if the air pressure system has a circuit breach. It automatically applies the brakes when air pressure get's too low.
You can not over-ride this from within the vehicle. That also means you cant move your bushmaster untill you reach at least 8.5 bar of air.
We screwed out these springs on the brakes, so in case of air pressure loss the brakes would not apply.
That brings other issues.....like parking your bushmaster on a hill, and when finally the air brakes lose pressure in the system your bushmaster starts to roll downhill on it's own with usually some panicked ISAF troops running after it.

They are not at all fuel efficient, where an average APC could last for about a week on short patrols with it's own fuel. The Bushmaster can not. It guzzles ridiculous amounts of fuel. you are lucky if you make it 3 days.
Also, its air compression system is incredibly loud. The compressor does not stop after a certain BAR limit, it keeps going. So the system periodically blows off this excess air witch is really loud.
It sounds like an Jurassic park velociraptor calling out to friends, followed with the sis of an closing airvent.

In the night, you hear this thing from miles away.

Also, its critical components are inaccessible for the 1st echelon. Meaning you as the driver and your fellow troops.
They are all located under the engine compartment and in the v-shaped armor underneath the vehicle.
Not to mention you can not bypass it's computer system in case of an emergency.
it needs to start properly or you can not move out.

Start engine, transmission, etc, its unreachable.
And they get hot inside if the Air conditioning is not working, very hot as there is no proper ventilation.
And yes, their A/C's also break all the time.

its only saving grace in Afghanistan was if you hit an IED, you propably get to walk away on your own as the entire bottom of the bushmaster is one V-Shaped armor.
The vehicle will be lost, but you get to live. So i was fine driving these around.
For wartime?. no it  is unsuitable. For Afghanistan?. i did not mind with the nature of the mission.

Some proof i worked on these things.

Yes,..that is a flat.
I fixed it before the patrol returned.
No, the wheels do not come off easy.

There is video of Ramaphosa and what he said, so I stand by it

Will the end of the grain deal force them to stand with Russia? Or will they, as Egypt already does, take a harder position with the west?

Noone needs South Africa, and in principle you are right, noone cares if Sisi and Ramaphosa issues some demands

But if today it was them, and tomorrow it is Xi?

This is why now both Peskov and Putin are talking about sanitation zones btw

I thought there was no need for it? It seems things reached the top, first slowly, then suddenly

But the tone has changed and noone can deny it

Werewolf wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Oh yeah we bombed the **** outta them, but I was rebuffing the claim that we suffered super heavy loses in nam when in reality we didn't

Btw, we don't have any numbers of other countries veterans killing themselves each year as the US is showing to the world. Maybe it's normal to humanity or with a higher probability it's based on the very fact that all your wars are fabricated lies that are dehumanizing your opponent and you genocide in every war at least 5% of the population for no fucking reason and veterans realize it years after and can not life with what they have done.

In all 228 years of war the US was 100% always the aggressor or contributor to all wars.

Even back in my deployments, we encountered a high number of U.S service personnel that where just..... done.
Because of personnel shortages, U.S troops that served for years in Iraq and thought they where going home. Where shipped to Greece, and there they got told they where redeployed to Afghanistan for an additional 2 years.

Suicides under U.S personnel in Afghanistan where also frequent, And the incidents of U.S troops going ballistic with other nation's troops.
They just take a jeep out to the outer perimeter of the camp and take an service weapon to their mouth,for the patrol to discover eventually.

Their own government treat's them as pieces of shit.
You can not just throw an soldier in another meat-grinder if they survived the first one.
I was involved in one incident, the guy survived Iraq and just wanted to go home to see his kids.

The U.S government threatened to withdraw all his pension rights and kick him out if he did not go to Afghanistan for another two years.
He was huddled in an storage container crying in an corner holding the pictures of his kids.
the guy survived all kinds of shit, you can not do this to people.

there are not isolated incidents either.

Our own government states if you went on an combat deployment, you are not allowed to join the next one for at least 6 months. With you having the right to refuse one deployment.
The U.S does not have any system like that.

Great replies btw Werewolf.
sadly, i can only like it once.

Russia does not see any chance of extending the Black Sea Grain Initiative, which has facilitated the safe export of Ukrainian grain, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Saturday.

"It's hardly possible to predict any final decision here, but I can say that judging de facto by the status quo that we have, this deal has no chance," Peskov told the Russian news outlet Izvestia in footage posted on its Telegram channel.

Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin told African leaders that exports of Ukrainian grain under a deal ensuring its safe passage through the Black Sea is not helping to resolve Africa's problems with high global food prices as only 3% have gone to the poorest countries.


Given this, is it safe to say, the VMF will blockade Odessa again?

How will the VMF assert itself to block Odessa and Nikolayev? Prevent the drones from attacking naval ships?

The VMF could use a rehabilitation of its reputation

Arkanghelsk wrote:Russia does not see any chance of extending the Black Sea Grain Initiative, which has facilitated the safe export of Ukrainian grain, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Saturday.

"It's hardly possible to predict any final decision here, but I can say that judging de facto by the status quo that we have, this deal has no chance," Peskov told the Russian news outlet Izvestia in footage posted on its Telegram channel.

Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin told African leaders that exports of Ukrainian grain under a deal ensuring its safe passage through the Black Sea is not helping to resolve Africa's problems with high global food prices as only 3% have gone to the poorest countries.


Given this, is it safe to say, the VMF will blockade Odessa again?

How will the VMF assert itself to block Odessa and Nikolayev? Prevent the drones from attacking naval ships?

The VMF could use a rehabilitation of its reputation

submarines and mines

If the west has been escalating, then its because russia allows them to. as long as that western border remains unfettered then NATO can escalate. Blow up all the bridges, allow Humanitarian aid to move through Belarus after inspection, Or Odessa also after inspection, .

Podlodka77 wrote:As much as I criticize the inefficiency of Russian shipbuilding, what is happening in the West is a disaster.
Military Spending by Country; Britain 68 billion dollars, Germany 55.8 billion and France 53.6 billion.
I wonder what for ?

Most importantly, I wonder how big a military budget those countries need to produce attack helicopters, tanks, howitzers, air defense systems, MLRS systems, etc.
They have a decent navy and a decent air force and that is all, but there are flaws like the UK with Type-45 destroyers.
The military-industrial complexes of those countries charge a fortune for their products but the armies of those countries do not have what they really need.
Somehow it all seems inflated to me...

The Kriegsmarine or German Navy has 6 submarines, 11 frigates and 4 corvettes.
The German Luftwaffe has a total of about 400 aircraft - in total.. Slightly more than half of the total number are Eurofighter and Tornado.
The ground forces have a total of 290 tanks, 100+ howitzers and just over 700 IFVs.
There are also a few air defense systems, as well as other vehicles, but it's all miserable..
And for this, the Germans allocate over 50 billion dollars ?

Consider the cucked Australian regime...  A$360B over 30 years for 8-9 subs (you just KNOW the cost and schedule will only get larger...).  Only 3 will be built here, and the others will mostly be SECOND HAND Virginias (ie the oldest units).  The USN gets to trade in their oldest Virginias for new, the US shipbuilding industry gets new yards for the increased production, and the good old dumb-as-fck aussie taxpayer (including me ) gets to foot the fcking bill....

I would like nothing more than to put our traitorous ruling class idiots against a wall and shoot the lot of them.

Arkanghelsk wrote:There is video of Ramaphosa and what he said, so I stand by it

Will the end of the grain deal force them to stand with Russia? Or will they, as Egypt already does, take a harder position with the west?

Noone needs South Africa, and in principle you are right, noone cares if Sisi and Ramaphosa issues some demands

But if today it was them, and tomorrow it is Xi?

This is why now both Peskov and Putin are talking about sanitation zones btw

I thought there was no need for it? It seems things reached the top, first slowly, then suddenly

But the tone has changed and noone can deny it

Not true, many have been calling for peace. Xi is not an idiot, how knows that if the USA gets its way they are next. BUT as I said before, to say that Russia has all the time in the world is wrong. Their deliberate pace allows NATO to escalate. They need to strike a decisive hammer blow that NATO has no time to respond to. Now they have the force and the confidence they need to end this .**** sanitation zones .Ukraine is a anti NATO sanitation zone. Perhaps they should launch nukes into space. THen offer to negotiate their deorbiting.

ALAMO wrote:Wartburg wouldn't either bro

When I was a kid I saw one of these flip over and crash in the ditch near our house

When they pulled it out only damage was dented roof and cracked windshield

They were not skimping on steel when building those things

Hole wrote:"...And experienced officers (ours) are shocked by what they saw today. They have never seen such a massacre (according to them), and such a disregard for the life of their soldiers (on the part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine)..."

Don't go candy-ass now, Ruskies!

Seems like Sergey Karaganov's call for nuclear strike detterent meet huge backlash from the Russian dignitaries.

https://www.rt.com/russia/578218-experts-respond-to-call-for-atomic-strike/

‘Using nuclear war to save the world is like using a guillotine for a headache’: Russian experts respond to call for atomic strike

https://www.rt.com/russia/578165-russia-shouldnt-use-nuclear-weapon/

Ilya Fabrichnikov: Why I disagree with the call for Russia to use its nuclear weapons against the West

Armchair warlord has posted an interesting thread:

He says that Putins revelation of the neutrality agreement with Ukraine, was torpedoed by the west in April 2022

Exactly at this time, the west introduce HIMARS, where they tested LRSG (Light Recon Strike Group)



It was this concept which was supposed to replace the ABCT, and you saw western militaries getting rid of armor - it revolved around using ISR and long range strike capabilities to replace armor combat

And to strike opponents from long range, without having to close in with them, the ground equivalent to Vietnam war F4 without guns

The result? A disaster forcing western militaries to re evaluate the concept

Russian air defense , interdiction , GPS Jamming, proved capable to disarm the LRSG

And the result? Ukraine is resorting to human wave attacks and completely abandoned HIMARS-LEO-Bradley LRSG tactics

NATO will have to go back to square one - AIRLAND battle concept and keep long range strike systems as auxiliaries

HIMARS, Krab, M177, Caesar, panserhaubitze 2000 and those systems combined with ISR worked only early on, but once MOD reinforced it's own RSO sequence, they have destroyed the kill chain of the LRSG

And technical aspects of the systems became irrelevant in the face of KA52, Pantsir, and T90 tanks

Kiko wrote:Former deputy of Rada Kiva claims that the head of intelligence of Ukraine Budanov has died, 06.17.2023.

Former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Ilya Kiva, citing his own sources, said that the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence, Kirill Budanov, had died.

“Budanov died without regaining consciousness,” the information came from the Ukrainian Embassy in Germany. A source in the OP said, ” Kiva said.

At the same time, the ex-deputy believes that this information in Kyiv will be hidden for as long as possible.

On June 15, RIA Novosti reported, citing a source, that Budanov  was wounded  on May 29 during an attack by Russian troops on a Ukrainian intelligence building. 

According to the agency, after that Budanov was taken in a serious condition to the Bundeswehr hospital in Berlin, where he stayed until mid-June.

On June 16, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that Budanov allegedly attended a meeting of the military cabinet on June 16.

https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/1163289-kiva-razvedka-budanov

Wasn't the building hit with a Kinzhal missile? That Kinzhal is living up to its name. It does strike like a dagger.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Specifically African and Asian states

These third world states do not matter. A few months ago even the Indian PM told Putin this is not the time for war.

Such third world views makes no difference to Russia. The only Asian ally Russia has is China.

June 18,
Military operation in Ukraine

Drone "Privet-82" hit the stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the first combat use in the SMO zone

The Oko design bureau reported that the distance from the target to the launch site was about 12 km.

MOSCOW, 18 June. /TASS/. Drone-kamikaze aircraft type "Privet-82" hit the stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) during the first combat use in the special operation zone. This was reported to TASS in the design bureau (KB) "Oko".

“The first combat use of Privet-82 took place some time ago, the target was a stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The distance from the target to the launch site was about 12 km. The “pick-up” technology was used: the drone was launched from the rear, and the “pick-up” was carried out by the operator, which committed a defeat. This is our first device that was used for a combat purpose, and the very first use was successful," the design bureau noted.

According to the interlocutor of TASS, the technology was developed by specialists from the Oko Design Bureau and is a unique feature of the drone. "The technology allows the operator, who is located directly at the place of application, to pick up a board fired from the rear and directed to the point of use. At the same time, the board goes in radio silence mode, that is, it is not detected by enemy electronic intelligence. Further, near the line of clashes, the operator, using the remote control, carries out picking up control and going to the target," Oko stressed.

The design bureau emphasized that the operator who used "Privet-82" was not a trained FPV drone pilot. "The specialist was trained only with us. Moreover, his experience in piloting a drone at that time was one day, and the total training period was five days. And the launch team, in principle, had never piloted our drone before. All this speaks of simplicity and convenience application "Privet-82", - said the design bureau.

The flight range of the Privet-82 drone is up to 30 km, the flight speed is up to 140 km/h. The payload of the device is up to 5.5 kg. The drone is intended for use in counter-battery combat and during the assault on fortified areas.

VIDEO LINK.....

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/18051851