There is nothing stopping Russia selling it's products , agricultural or industrial , to the world and bypass sanctions . Russia has many friends in the world ( third world !) , who can buy these products and resell and rebrand ( become unknown origin source ) goods in the market . With global warming , much of the permafrost will become open to agriculture and nomadic farming . Starving out Ukrs farmers by blockade , will this have a political and military effect on the NATO proxy force , who can import food for the Orcs army ? Do they care or depend on the farmers votes , to stay in power ? Even if the entire civilian population and economy disappeared from Ukrs , the NATO Orcs proxy force , will fly it's F16 and drive the Leo Tanks , let good times roll for the MIC !
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There is nothing stopping Russia selling it's products , agricultural or industrial , to the world and bypass sanctions . Russia has many friends in the world ( third world !) , who can buy these products and resell and rebrand ( become unknown origin source ) goods in the market . With global warming , much of the permafrost will become open to agriculture and nomadic farming . Starving out Ukrs farmers by blockade , will this have a political and military effect on the NATO proxy force , who can import food for the Orcs army ? Do they care or depend on the farmers votes , to stay in power ? Even if the entire civilian population and economy disappeared from Ukrs , the NATO Orcs proxy force , will fly it's F16 and drive the Leo Tanks , let good times roll for the MIC !
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Putin admitted that Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny could be outside Ukraine
Putin: I think Zaluzhny is abroad, but I could be wrong
Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (AFU) Valery Zaluzhny may be outside Ukraine . This was announced by Russian President Vladimir Putin during a conversation with military commanders, answering a question from Alexander Sladkov. Fragment of the program “ Moscow . Kremlin. Putin” with this part of the communication was published on Sunday, June 18, by journalist Pavel Zarubin in his Telegram channel.
"I know. It seems to me that I know, ”the president said, answering the question where Zaluzhny is.
Putin added that one could ask the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces about this, “but for this you need to switch to a foreign language.” “I think he is abroad. But I could be wrong,” Putin concluded.
https://iz.ru/1530626/2023-06-18/putin-dopustil-chto-glavnokomanduiushchii-vsu-zaluzhnyi-mozhet-byt-za-granitcei-ukrainy
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After that Peskov explained that 404 has almost run out of "own" weapons and is only using western made equipment.In many ways, the task of demilitarizing Ukraine has been completed, Peskov said
In other words: de-militarization of NATO is on it´s way now.
"The battalion commander is a complete f**k":
The militants of the "Edelweiss" assault brigade surrendered en masse on the flank of Artyomovsk.
In the Seversky direction, the Ukrainian military from the 10th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade
"Edelweiss" surrendered en masse to the soldiers of the 2nd Army Corps (LPR).
They made the right decision and will live.
As usual, the Armed Forces of Ukraine blame their command and leadership of the country for all
their troubles.
http://t.me/RVvoenkor
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Captured 31 brigades of the strategic reserve. One of the brigades that was specially trained for the counteroffensive.
Most of these soldiers were trained abroad. These brigades were equipped with foreign weapons and military equipment.
Svarchiki
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When the flesh falls off the bone.
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Tolstoy wrote:These third world states do not matter. A few months ago even the Indian PM told Putin this is not the time for war.Arkanghelsk wrote:Specifically African and Asian states
Such third world views makes no difference to Russia. The only Asian ally Russia has is China.
I'd add Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia to the allies list. North Korea and Myanmar are certainly friendly, as are Malaysia and Indonesia (they certainly are not anti-Russian).
Forget Japan, S.Korea and Thailand (the latter especially now that the US sucessfully implemented a regime change via ballot box).
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Kiko wrote:Former deputy of Rada Kiva claims that the head of intelligence of Ukraine Budanov has died, 06.17.2023.
Kiril Budanov, June 2023, secret location, somewhere south of Heaven...
On the positive side, he now has plenty of time to contemplate where he went wrong, and to think about the... poor choices... he has made.
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Isn't that what Pantsir is already doing? How will these new SAMs be different?
The new missiles will be much lighter and smaller, MANPADS size or smaller and with a short range... perhaps 3-5km range and altitude, and intended for direct contact with the target and a 3kg HE warhead to destroy incoming artillery shells and rockets and missiles and bombs etc.
Think of it in terms of a CIWS for ground vehicles but without the cannon and being missile based.
Of course they will also use Pantsir and TOR and 2S38 (the 57mm gun vehicle) as well for air defence against other threats but the new system is intended to carry hundreds of ready to fire missiles at once at large numbers of targets at once.
To deal with optically guided threats I would hope they develop a laser jamming system, but equally a LIDAR system for detection and engagement would also be valuable too.
They mention ARH seekers, but I would think a mix of ARH, IIR, and command guided would allow the best performance in terms of a range of threats and conditions where each guidance method would allow the best intercept performance... radar, IIR, Lidar and colour night vision digital video sensors would allow detection and engagement of the widest range of targets and threats.
I see that the massive unplanned west supplies has actually weakened the Ukr army .
No surprise really... if the US had handed the Muj in Afghanistan lots of M60 tanks the Soviets would have taken them out easily, meaning 4 dead Muj for every tank... plus all the ground troops walking along side could be found and killed easily because the big lump of metal beside them means they can't really hide if they want to move with it.
Being trained up to use the vehicle makes you an even more valuable target to take out.
Now the grain deal is ending only because of disagreements with the Africans? Why wasn't it ended long before?
The deadline was 17th of June wasn't it... that is why it has ended. ...EDIT: 17th July is was, but I don't think Putins patience will last that long.
Russia gave the west every chance to complete its side of the bargain and the Africans know this now... Russia cannot continue with an agreement they are honouring and the west is not.
This is why the West is crossing more red lines. In March 2022, it was unthinkable that the West would deliver so many weapons to Ukraine and that Ukraine would shell Russian territory.A weak Putin will have an increasingly escalating war.
You are not putting two and two together... a few drone strikes on Russian territory... followed by news of Russian strikes against several "decision making centres" in the Ukraine... do I have to spell it out?
But judging by South Africa, Egypt, and other smaller states reactions, pressure increases on Putin
Hahahaha... yes, everyone knows Putin bows down to any pressure he receives all the time, which is why his popularity in Russia and the rest of the world is so low because he ignores Russian interests and bows to western pressure.... NOT.
The grain deal will end, and like a domino effect, pressure will increase on Putin to speed things up, because of the inflationary pressures that will fall on those states most affected by the grain deal
What pressure, of course the world prefers peace, but Putin started this war after trying everything he possibly could to avoid it... including Minsk agreements, which would have solved everything if Kiev and the west had been genuine, but they can't be trusted then and can't be trusted now... Putin can't say there will be no peace options because he is not a monster, but equally Russian demands that Kiev recognise the new Russian regions is enough to ensure any talk of peace is only ever going to be just talk.
Kiev wants Crimea back, odds are if they keep this up they wont even be keeping Odessa...
The longer they make this last the more pain for both sides, but the less they will end up with.
Will the end of the grain deal force them to stand with Russia? Or will they, as Egypt already does, take a harder position with the west?
What difference would it make for them to stand with Russia or against Russia?
The best Russia should be hoping for is for the rest of the world to realise what bastards the west are and not pick sides in this or any other conflict.
Noone needs South Africa, and in principle you are right, noone cares if Sisi and Ramaphosa issues some demands
But if today it was them, and tomorrow it is Xi?
It is perfectly normal for all countries to talk about peace and to want peace and there is no point talking to Kiev because they have no say in this.
Biden and Putin are the only two who could stop this conflict in 24 hours simply by calling off their side respectively, but Putin can't because he knows that if Kiev survives this is just going to happen again in 5 years time with a much better prepared Kiev that will do better next time.
Consider the cucked Australian regime... A$360B over 30 years for 8-9 subs (you just KNOW the cost and schedule will only get larger...). Only 3 will be built here, and the others will mostly be SECOND HAND Virginias (ie the oldest units). The USN gets to trade in their oldest Virginias for new, the US shipbuilding industry gets new yards for the increased production, and the good old dumb-as-fck aussie taxpayer (including me angry ) gets to foot the fcking bill....
Not just that... Australia will also be funding new nuclear submarine bases in its own country so no doubt the US can come in and use when they please to forward deploy their nuclear subs so they can not just send their sailors to Japan and South Korea to molest Asian girls, they can also send them to Australia to talk shit to Aussie sheilas too... with the added bonus that they can speak to the natives already...
Remember they cancelled the deal with France because 90 million dollars for the SSKs was just too much... Hahahahahaha....
These third world states do not matter. A few months ago even the Indian PM told Putin this is not the time for war.
The views of the rest of the world do matter, but Russia is not really in a position to end this... they can stop it, but that wont end it... it will just freeze and in a few years time will start up again and instead of losing 25 thousand soldiers they will lose rather more next time... better to get it done now.
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Ok.GarryB wrote:the new system is intended to carry hundreds of ready to fire missiles at once at large numbers of targets at once.
You wrote that these new range of SAMs will need defence vehicles with decent detection performance against drones and incoming ordinance. So which vehicles are expected to be used that have decent detection performance against drones and incoming ordinance?
I am assuming here that Russia will not only remain dependent on Pantsir and TOR for detection.
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And this is why I support Putin - he actually has a soul.Arkhangelsk wrote:
If he is hoping for electoral change, it's a moot point, the path is war, and that's what he has to accept
He knows he has no choice but to destroy Ukraine and NATO for the good of his people, no of the world.
But he's doing everything he can; even making deals with snakes just to avert this dark destiny.
Because he has to try. However miniscule the chance, he has to - for all our sakes.
God knows he's one of the few who are trying. Everyone else is just content to ride this planet into hell...
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"Ripped off the head of a Leopard"
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Hole wrote:
106 TOS-1A rockets were fired at the recently captured farming settlement of Pyatikhatki where a large accumulation of AFU had reportedly been brought up.
106? holy shit, I would love to see a vid of that, just a single salvo is already terrifying.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:There is video of Ramaphosa and what he said, so I stand by it
It nothing but diplomatic talk. This is a peace mission. You can't expect them to say anything else but to deescalate the conflict.
I have no doubt that Africa stand behind the Russians in spirit but to expect them to openly back Putin and the SMO is a bit unrealistic - since they are on a peace mission.
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updated June 18, 13:19
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported on the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Yuzhno-Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Donetsk directions
According to the agency, up to 380 Ukrainian servicemen were killed, 35 tanks, 33 infantry fighting vehicles and 38 armored fighting vehicles were destroyed.
MOSCOW, 18 June. /TASS/. The Russian Armed Forces destroyed two Bradley armored vehicles during an attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This was announced on Sunday by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
"The total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in these directions [Yuzhnodonets and Zaporozhye] per day amounted to 380 Ukrainian servicemen, 35 tanks, 33 infantry fighting vehicles, including two Bradleys, as well as 38 armored combat vehicles, including the Striker armored personnel carrier, as well as the D-howitzer. 20," he said.
According to Konashenkov, in the Yuzhno-Donetsk direction, in the area of the Vremevsky ledge, decisive actions of Russian units, air strikes and artillery fire repelled four attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine with forces up to a battalion tactical group in the areas of the settlements of Novodonetskoye, Rovnopol of the Donetsk People's Republic and Novodarovka of the Zaporozhye region during the day.
June 18, 13:16
The Russian Defense Ministry announced the destruction of the ammunition depot of the Ukrainian territorial defense in the Kherson region
"In the Kherson direction, as a result of the fire damage, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 30 servicemen, 2 vehicles, the US-made M777 artillery system, the Msta-B howitzer, and the Giacint-B gun. Near the village of Kizomys, Kherson region, it was destroyed ammunition depot of the 123rd Territorial Defense Brigade," he said at a briefing on the progress of the special military operation.
June 18, 13:13
The Russian Ministry of Defense announced the destruction of up to 60 soldiers and self-propelled guns Krab of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kupyansk direction
"In the Kupyansk direction, operational-tactical and army aviation, artillery of the Western Group of Forces hit the manpower and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Figalevka, Masyutovka, Kislovka, Timkovka of the Kharkov region and Stelmahovka of the Luhansk People's Republic. In the areas of the settlements of Berestovoe, Kharkov region and Novoselovskoe, Luhansk The People's Republic stopped the activities of two sabotage and reconnaissance groups," he said.
According to Konashenkov, up to 60 Ukrainian servicemen, 3 pickup trucks, an Msta-B howitzer and a Polish-made Krab self-propelled gun were destroyed in this direction in just a day.
June 18, 13:11
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the destruction of over 200 military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye direction
"Over 200 Ukrainian servicemen, 33 tanks, 30 infantry fighting vehicles and 35 armored fighting vehicles were destroyed in the course of hostilities in the Zaporozhye direction alone in a day," he said.
According to Konashenkov, 9 tanks, 10 infantry fighting vehicles and up to 10 other armored fighting vehicles were destroyed as a result of a complex fire destruction of four columns of the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of the settlement of Malaya Tokmachka, Zaporozhye region.
June 18, 12:52 pm
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported the destruction of up to 210 Ukrainian servicemen in the Donetsk direction
"During the fighting in this direction, up to 210 Ukrainian servicemen, an infantry fighting vehicle, an armored personnel carrier, three cars, two pickup trucks, as well as a Grad multiple launch rocket system were destroyed in a day," the lieutenant general said.
In addition, according to Konashenkov, an ammunition depot of the 109th Territorial Defense Brigade was destroyed near the settlement of Sukhaya Balka.
June 18, 12:56 pm
updated June 18, 12:59
The Russian Ministry of Defense announced the destruction of up to 70 military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Krasnoliman direction
"In the Krasnolimansky direction, air strikes, artillery fire from the "Center" group of troops defeated enemy units in the areas of the settlements of Nevskoye, Chervonopopovka, Kuzmino of the Luhansk People's Republic and Serebryanka of the Donetsk People's Republic. In the areas of the settlements of Chervonaya Dibrova of the Lugansk People's Republic and Grigorovka of the Donetsk People's Republic the activities of two Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups have been stopped," he said.
According to Konashenkov, up to 70 enemy servicemen, an infantry fighting vehicle, two vehicles, an Akatsiya self-propelled artillery mount, and a D-30 howitzer were destroyed in this direction in just a day.
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Are these T-80BVMs equipped with a SOSNA? It looks like a 1PN-96MT-02Arrow wrote:New T-90 deliveries.
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Big_Gazza wrote:
Consider the cucked Australian regime... A$360B over 30 years for 8-9 subs (you just KNOW the cost and schedule will only get larger...). Only 3 will be built here, and the others will mostly be SECOND HAND Virginias (ie the oldest units). The USN gets to trade in their oldest Virginias for new, the US shipbuilding industry gets new yards for the increased production, and the good old dumb-as-fck aussie taxpayer (including me ) gets to foot the fcking bill....
I would like nothing more than to put our traitorous ruling class idiots against a wall and shoot the lot of them.
just like Australia was fucked over by the yanks when it came to trade with China, they did America's bidding and China retaliated by putting sanctions back on Australia worth billions of Aussie dollars only for the yanks to replace Aussie exports with there own to China
when you see the nick of the stuff they are sending to Ukraine, i would be worried what they are going to give you
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There has to be drone footage. Just wait a few days. It will emerge.I would love to see a vid of that, just a single salvo is already terrifying.
More POWs. One of the soldiers, a medic, was born in 1972.
"We had enough of this war" - amid unsuccessful counter-offensive by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, mass surrender of enemy soldiers has been recorded.
Constant unsuccessful attacks, which result in huge losses, have a very negative impact on the morale of the soldiers of the AFU. For example, in the last two days alone, numerous videos have been published of Ukrainian soldiers surrendering.
And this is an extremely unpleasant wake-up call for the Kiev regime. After all, it is usually the soldiers of the defending side who surrender during an offensive, not the attacking troops. So this reverse disproportion in the number of prisoners of war is evidence of serious problems in the Ukrainian armed forces.
The reasons for these problems are absolutely transparent and clear. Russian minefields have not been cleared, artillery has not been suppressed and air cover has not been provided. It already sounds bleak. And then with such unfavourable inputs the "defenders" are sent to meat assaults without support of their armoured equipment and artillery.
The surprise here is not that the Ukrainians surrender and refuse to advance, but that someone else manages to be sent into these suicidal attacks. At the same time, the "fog of war" hides from us much of what goes on behind enemy lines. Russian intelligence learns about the refusal of whole units to go into battle from the interrogations of prisoners and from the data of radio interception, but the number of deserters is still unknown. However, it is certain that with each day of this failed counterattack, more and more AFU soldiers will leave their units voluntarily.
In a fortnight of heavy fighting the enemy has not achieved any major success. The Ukrainian armed forces are trampling in the pre-field, bleeding to death. Even the information received today about the occupation of the village of Pyatikhatka by Ukrainian troops can hardly be interpreted as any progress in the stalled offensive. The enemy troops have not even reached the main line of Russian fortifications in this section of the front.
The enemy command had less and less time to change its approach to the offensive. Otherwise, very soon the number of those who refuse will reach catastrophic proportions. And the counter-offensive will quieten down by itself, because there will simply be no one to attack."
(via Salviangrad)
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