Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44

if putin thinks Russia's Ukraine problem can be solved by diplomacy, then he is an utter fool

SeigSoloyvov wrote:if putin thinks Russia's Ukraine problem can be solved by diplomacy, then he is an utter fool

I am fairly convinced he knows he is going to have to eventually take the gloves off and reduce Nazi Banderastan to rubble and effectively depopulate it.  However, because he is a decent person he is giving them every chance to put the crack pipe down, sober up, and come to their senses before he does so

SeigSoloyvov wrote:if putin thinks Russia's Ukraine problem can be solved by diplomacy, then he is an utter fool

Any war eventually ends with negotiations and a diplomatic solution. Otherwise, it becomes genocide.

Hole wrote:
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Captured 31 brigades of the strategic reserve. One of the brigades that was specially trained for the counteroffensive.
Most of these soldiers were trained abroad. These brigades were equipped with foreign weapons and military equipment.

Svarchiki

At least they were still alive.

Mercouris is still not clear as to what human wave tactics are. I guess being a lawyer he has a hang-up on technicalities. But
clearly the Kiev regime is engaged in human wave tactics. Sending infantry without or small numbers of tanks, no air support and
inadequate artillery support against Russian forces is a clear human wave tactic. The lunatics in the Kiev regime think that they
will pull off another Kharkov where they faced 10 time less Russian troops locally.

@kvs

Sticking my neck out here but I think these lunatic tactics will only hasten their total demise. It's already a terrorist state but 404's military capacity will be finished by the end of June.

We can look forward to the actual counter offensive - the Russian one.

ucmvulcan wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:if putin thinks Russia's Ukraine problem can be solved by diplomacy, then he is an utter fool

I am fairly convinced he knows he is going to have to eventually take the gloves off and reduce Nazi Banderastan to rubble and effectively depopulate it.  However, because he is a decent person he is giving them every chance to put the crack pipe down, sober up, and come to their senses before he does so

Yeah and he has been trying this for how long? at first it made a degree of sense but at this point in the game it doesn't, its win or lose there is no in between anymore

The head of Wagner PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin , said that 32,000 previously convicted people had returned from the special military operation (SVO) zone. This is stated in the Telegram channel of the press service of Prigozhin.

“As of June 18, 2023, 32,000 people from among those previously convicted and who took part in the SVO on the territory of the LPR and DPR in the ranks of the Wagner PMC went home at the end of the contract,” he said.

According to him, returnees committed 83 crimes upon their return, which is 80 times less than those convicted after release, who did not recruit into PMCs.

Earlier, Prigozhin said that he phoned the head of Chechnya , Ramzan Kadyrov , and they agreed to "release the conflict on the brakes."

On May 20, the head of Wagner PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin, announced the transfer of Artemovsk (Ukrainian name - Bakhmut) under the control of Russian units. According to him, the operation to take the city lasted 224 days.

https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog/army/news/2023/06/18/20693510.shtml?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

June 18, 22:48
Military operation in Ukraine
The media learned that decommissioned Israeli Merkava tanks can be given to Poland and Ukraine

According to the Walla portal, Israel could start negotiations on the supply of these tanks to Europe due to pressure from the United States, insisting on the need to provide assistance to Ukraine, including military

TEL AVIV, June 18th. /TASS/. Poland and Ukraine may receive a large batch of Israeli Merkava tanks decommissioned from the Israel Defense Forces. This statement of the Polish military expert leads on Sunday the Israeli portal Walla.

Two days earlier, Yedioth Ahronoth reported that Israel was currently negotiating with the two countries for about 200 second- and third-generation Merkava tanks, produced in the 1980s and 1990s and already retired from combat duty. Information about ongoing negotiations was then confirmed by the head of the department of defense exports of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, Brigadier General of the Reserve Yair Kulas, while he refused to specify with which states negotiations were underway, but noted that one of them was located "in continental Europe."

According to Walla portal sources, we are talking about two Eastern European countries. At the same time, an unnamed Polish military expert suggested in an interview with the portal that Israeli tanks are intended for Poland and Ukraine. According to him, the tanks can be modernized in Israel or in cooperation with Polish defense companies that have the relevant competencies. "Ukraine has tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, but it is preparing for an ongoing war and is already trying to gather forces for the end of 2024," the expert believes.

According to the Walla portal, Israel could start negotiations on the supply of Merkava tanks to Europe due to the ongoing pressure from the United States, which insist on the need to provide Ukraine with assistance, including military. So far, Israel has categorically refrained from supplying weapons to Kiev, limiting itself to humanitarian aid. A portal source in Israeli military circles confirmed that negotiations on the supply of Merkava are now underway with two European countries, but stressed that it is too early to talk about a deal.

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/18054575

Leo2 lost his gun

ISDM at work

Podlodka77 wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:I know the source isn't always the greatest.
1st kill by artificial intelligence S-350 downs Ukrainian MiG-29


https://eurasiantimes.com/1st-kill-by-artificial-intelligence-russia-says-its-s-350-vityaz-system/?amp

That Trabant...

Yes my favorite car, I own this for almost 8yrs one the best cars I ever owned, the other being a Mercedes W123. The trabant doesn't always have a lot of smoke it depended on the ratio and what type of two stroke oil used trabants prefer the basic oil used for agricultural machinery. the trabant only have 6 moving parts in the engine. And for those environmentalists it was the first car to made out of recycled materials. Duroplast was made from waste cotton and phenol resins both waste products from various industries. They also made suitcases and toilet seats from this material It is far better than fiberglass as Duroplast has some flex to it while fiberglass suffers from stress fractures. They disposed of Duroplast panels by shredding them up and mixed with cement when making pavements and kerb stones in Germany.

Podlodka77 wrote:June 18, 22:48
Military operation in Ukraine
The media learned that decommissioned Israeli Merkava tanks can be given to Poland and Ukraine

According to the Walla portal, Israel could start negotiations on the supply of these tanks to Europe due to pressure from the United States, insisting on the need to provide assistance to Ukraine, including military

TEL AVIV, June 18th. /TASS/. Poland and Ukraine may receive a large batch of Israeli Merkava tanks decommissioned from the Israel Defense Forces. This statement of the Polish military expert leads on Sunday the Israeli portal Walla.

Two days earlier, Yedioth Ahronoth reported that Israel was currently negotiating with the two countries for about 200 second- and third-generation Merkava tanks, produced in the 1980s and 1990s and already retired from combat duty. Information about ongoing negotiations was then confirmed by the head of the department of defense exports of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, Brigadier General of the Reserve Yair Kulas, while he refused to specify with which states negotiations were underway, but noted that one of them was located "in continental Europe."

According to Walla portal sources, we are talking about two Eastern European countries. At the same time, an unnamed Polish military expert suggested in an interview with the portal that Israeli tanks are intended for Poland and Ukraine. According to him, the tanks can be modernized in Israel or in cooperation with Polish defense companies that have the relevant competencies. "Ukraine has tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, but it is preparing for an ongoing war and is already trying to gather forces for the end of 2024," the expert believes.

According to the Walla portal, Israel could start negotiations on the supply of Merkava tanks to Europe due to the ongoing pressure from the United States, which insist on the need to provide Ukraine with assistance, including military. So far, Israel has categorically refrained from supplying weapons to Kiev, limiting itself to humanitarian aid. A portal source in Israeli military circles confirmed that negotiations on the supply of Merkava are now underway with two European countries, but stressed that it is too early to talk about a deal.

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/18054575

Seeing those knocked out and burning are going to bring smiles to lots of Palestinians

Its time to start dropping the leaflets. Encourage the guys to surrender, tell them they will be treated fairly. Russia should engage the Red Crescent via the Saudis to observe and ensure treatement of prisoners. They need to off them a way back to their families.

Hole wrote:

I would love to see a vid of that, just a single salvo is already terrifying.

There has to be drone footage. Just wait a few days. It will emerge.


More POWs. One of the soldiers, a medic, was born in 1972.


"We had enough of this war" - amid unsuccessful counter-offensive by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, mass surrender of enemy soldiers has been recorded.

Let me play Papa here. Best to resolve the issue once and for all, leaflet mines would work better. Too many fresh reserves are still sitting this out and UA haven’t committed all hardware, maybe when their forces will be chewed out en masse, then yeah, but now we can forget about 50k of POWs and main goal is destruction of equipment and erosion of manpower, not catching POWs like pokemon. POWs will naturally appear after the combat, no flyers will work on fresh idiots who only get sense after trial by fire

Remember when we heard that T-55s and 62's had no place on the 2023 battlefield ?

Here is a captured Ukrainian tank that the Russians sent towards a Ukraine position. Loaded with explosives. It didn't quite make it over the trench but it got close enough. Goes without saying that it didnt need an operator. Just a bungee strap and a vice grip for the throttle is probably all it needed.

It's a Russian tank. No sign of Ukraine operating any vanilla T-55s, only the M-55S, and this is not one of them.

https://www.rt.com/russia/578220-putin-ukraine-neutrality-plan/

Putin reveals details of draft treaty on Ukrainian neutrality

According to Putin, a document titled the Treaty on the Permanent Neutrality and Security Guarantees for Ukraine had been signed by the Ukrainian delegation.

The draft stipulates that Ukraine must enshrine “permanent neutrality” in its Constitution. Russia, the US, Britain, China, and France are listed as guarantors.

An addendum to the draft, also shown by Putin, outlines both Russian and Ukrainian proposals regarding the size of Ukraine’s standing army during peacetime, as well as its equipment. Moscow proposed to cap the number of military personnel at 85,000 and the number of National Guard members at 15,000. Kiev, meanwhile, proposed that its Armed Forces have up to 250,000 troops.

Moscow suggested that Ukraine should be allowed to have 342 tanks, 1,029 armored vehicles, 96 multiple rocket launchers, 50 combat aircraft, and 52 “auxiliary” aircraft. Kiev, meanwhile, was in favor of having 800 tanks, 2,400 armored vehicles, 600 multiple rocket launchers, 74 combat aircraft, and 86 “auxiliary” aircraft.

https://www.rt.com/russia/578244-ukraine-heavy-casualties-mod/

18 Jun, 2023 14:52

Ukraine sustains massive single-day losses – Russian MOD

Kiev's forces have lost over 1,000 soldiers and 20 tanks in a single day across the frontlines, the Russian Defense Ministry claims

“Over the past day, enemy losses in the Southern Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions amounted to more than 800 Ukrainian servicemen, 20 tanks, four infantry fighting vehicles, [and] 15 armored fighting vehicles,” the military stated on Sunday during a daily media briefing.

As well as these setbacks in personnel and equipment, Ukrainian troops also lost two US-made M777 howitzers and several Soviet-made artillery systems, the military added.

The immediate vicinity of Donetsk city has also seen intense fighting, with Ukrainian forces losing over 200 soldiers on this axis, according to the ministry. The Russian military has destroyed multiple soft and armored vehicles on the outskirts of Donetsk, it also said, as well as two major ammunition stockpiles to the northwest of the city.

You wrote that these new range of SAMs will need defence vehicles with decent detection performance against drones and incoming ordinance. So which vehicles are expected to be used that have decent detection performance against drones and incoming ordinance?

It sounds like these new defence vehicles will be operating with all sorts of forces, but mostly logistics forces in rear areas... so columns of soft vehicles and trucks that support armoured formations would have these vehicles and presumably a few BMPTs and 2S38 like vehicles to protect them from artillery and air attack.

Note if the Ukrainian Leopards and Bradleys had such new vehicles and existing air defence vehicles they could approach Russian lines able to shoot down rockets and artillery shells directed at them and also incoming ATGMs and the helicopters that launched those missiles while units behind their attacking force could be looking for Russian artillery and aircraft to attack as they open up...

These new vehicles will protect mostly against artillery so a nearby artillery radar could provide them with the target data they need, while BMPT types would be used to blunt any attempted ambush with ATGMs and rockets... the new vehicles may be able to shoot down ATGMs and some rockets... but that would be tricky... and of course 2S38 and perhaps new Pantsir with the new quad minimissiles and TOR with their new bundles of mini missiles for use against drones and attack aircraft.

It wont be perfect but will make guerilla attacks more painful and expensive for for the attacker... one of those anti IED vehicles might be needed too that makes mines and explosives explode in front of the vehicle as it drives...

if putin thinks Russia's Ukraine problem can be solved by diplomacy, then he is an utter fool

He already knows and has proof the west cannot be trusted and that the goals of the west don't include peace or stability.

He says he is open to peace talks because he knows Kiev has already rejected peace talks with him in control of Russia.

Kiev isn't smart enough to call his bluff and even if they did they don't accept the current reality on the ground... Russia is going to demand the territory they have taken plus the land of the regions that voted to leave Kievs influence and Kiev wont accept that till they realise the sooner it stops the more territory they will be left with.

Storm Shadow has a range of 250km so any demilitarised zone needs to be this deep for new Russian regions to be safe... Kiev wont agree to that and can't be trusted anyway...

Any war eventually ends with negotiations and a diplomatic solution. Otherwise, it becomes genocide.

The problem is that Kiev thinks that with the whole western world backing them they can't lose and have a position to negotiate from, but when that western support collapses things will change quickly and the Ukrainian people will realise that Russia is not the monster... the US is the monster in this situation...

Another example of typical Western double standard.

I do wonder, if Abramovich gives up and abide by the West's demand, how much of the money do you think will really go to the hands of the Ukrainian people affected by the war ?

Ironically he is taking advantage of a loophole, the UK bans the transfer of funds to Russians or Russia so when he demands that half the money goes to the now Russian regions in the conflict zone he is essentially stopping all the money being sent to Ukraine to help anyone on either side.

Of course any money sent to support Kiev will disappear and never be seen again and will only help the already rich and powerful to become more rich and therefore more powerful.

Ironically money sent to Russia for the victims of this conflict will likely be spent on the victims of this conflict.

And russians, it wasn't Genocide when they where killing soviet soldiers because those are soldiers, but one you go after the civilian populace like that in such mass as to seek extermination then it turns into Genocide

The Germans murdered women in uniform on the Eastern front because they didn't think women could be in the military.

They also murdered more civilians in the Soviet Union than the entire western allied bomber command could kill in Germany in all the years they bombed... by an enormous margin...

There were no consequences for German soldiers killing civilians on the Eastern front... except what happened to Germany later of course... which was ridiculous as a punishment...

Yeah and he has been trying this for how long? at first it made a degree of sense but at this point in the game it doesn't, its win or lose there is no in between anymore

Of course you would say that, but the rest of the world wants to see Russia and Putin as different from the UK and France and the US and the other white skinned colonial powers of the north... winning the war fast and brutal and losing the peace afterwards would be a waste of time and money... if Putin wanted Russia to be just like the west then he could have done that decades ago.

Let us be clear, then Russians in the past have done such things, in Syria they did accidentally kill people with bombings.

There is a difference between civilians accidentally getting killed and missions planned in populated areas where civilians are just in the way and if they die or get injured well that is not your problem.

Most western forces didn't really care about native casualties on any side... they had a job to do... bring death and scare the locals into doing what you tell them.

Don't understand what makes 6 million such a magic number to qualify as genocide... maybe that is why the jews made that number up so they qualified and no one else seems to have.

We indescrimatly bombed sure, so have the Russians, knowing full well people where. However that is another matter not genocide.

Everyone else does it so it is OK when we do it... but it is the US and the west that lectures everyone else on their morals and ethics but can't be judged by the same criteria because the west always blames everyone else first.

A portal source in Israeli military circles confirmed that negotiations on the supply of Merkava are now underway with two European countries, but stressed that it is too early to talk about a deal.

Lots of Israels enemies in their region would probably love military support from Russia... do they really want to sell those old tanks?

Putin reveals details of draft treaty on Ukrainian neutrality

Wouldn't trust them to sign anything...

How are Russian optics compared to NATO? I read a Forbes piece that the glorious Ukrainian offwnsive will win now that its fighting at night. Is there truth to this or is it just -as I suspect- more bull dung?

ucmvulcan wrote:How are Russian optics compared to NATO? I read a Forbes piece that the glorious Ukrainian offwnsive will win now that its fighting at night.  Is there truth to this or is it just -as I suspect- more bull dung?

Depends on the optic you're talking about. There's a perception that for some reason Russians are lacking in night vision equipment for infantry and thermals for vehicles.

diabetus wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:How are Russian optics compared to NATO? I read a Forbes piece that the glorious Ukrainian offwnsive will win now that its fighting at night.  Is there truth to this or is it just -as I suspect- more bull dung?

Depends on the optic you're talking about. There's a perception that for some reason Russians are lacking in night vision equipment for infantry and thermals for vehicles.

Is this perception true or is ir just more plant fertilizer from NATO farms?

Scorpius wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:if putin thinks Russia's Ukraine problem can be solved by diplomacy, then he is an utter fool

Any war eventually ends with negotiations and a diplomatic solution. Otherwise, it becomes genocide.

You keep believing that and it will be you guys getting genocided (again)

How many times do you plan on making same retarded mistake? Because if you haven't noticed you are all out of free tries, you fùck up again and you are finished for good