Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46

I load this as whilst we see Grads firing fairly often we rarely see the results, which we have at the end. The sometimes large areas of 'shell' holes in fields makes a bit more sense now, not badly aimed barrel fire but tube scatter.

1 missed (for whatever reason)

Jamming

Moscow does not want to conquer 

Peskow can only state what has been officially announced, not what is decided behind closed doors.

like a Storm Shadow aftermath

Maybe the missile was jammed and the warhead didn´t explode. The hole was made by the impact of the missile.

“I’m fine with Asians, but Russians are Asians. They have a completely different culture, vision. Our key difference from them is humanity,” Danilov stated.

Hahaha... if I was Russia I would take the claim I am not pure white european as a compliment, but nazis think differently from the rest of us.

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This is a bit more like it

It also has important implications... the west has been saying Russia is running out of ammo and weapons... yet they managed to wait all this time before using such weapons and cluster weapons... which they have enormous numbers of have also been used sparingly if at all till now.

The amusing thing with cluster bombs is that the fragmentation versions will be devastating against an enemy that is short of armoured vehicles and has to use civilian vehicles to get around... cluster munitions will slice through them like they were butter.

In comparison even Russian logistics forces with armoured trucks and Tigrs and Typhoon type vehicles would actually have pretty good protection from shrapnel from cluster bombs...

And of course such special bombs like cluster bombs and incendiary bombs can use glide kits for accurate delivery without having to overfly the targets.

By the way the disclaimer saying the video is old does not mean they are not using such bombs... western news media often showed pictures of guns like Ak-47s for news stories about robberies that were committed normally with shotguns...

ODAB-500 ? This looks bigger than even a 1500kg bomb. Shit, if tvis is a 500kg bomb I can't imagine the 1500kg version.

That explosion looks much bigger than it actually is because the air has a lot of moisture in it... ie it is very humid, so the blast wave from the explosion, which is supersonic compresses the air as it moves and in these conditions it forms clouds... the same way aircraft create cloud on their wings during hard turns at airshows, or just flying very fast and compressing the air in front of their aircraft.

Every bomb has that shockwave, but most of the time you just can't see it because there is no cloud and the camera quality is not good enough to pick up the blast waves.

We are already war criminals, let's finish the job

No you are not and the point is that the rest of the world understands that.

If you start acting like HATO would if they were in your position then you have already lost... not the war... but the peace afterwards... and that is what you can't afford to lose... your humanity.

I'm just curious, doesn't Russia have optical spy satellites to view Ukrainian airfields from the sky and see where their planes are parked? I'm not an expert but I think with the right tools which Russia currently has it shouldn't be that difficult to locate and destroy airfields and hangars that house these planes

You have a very high opinion of the performance of optical spy satellites.

You do understand that hangars and sheds and even tarps and tents can be used to hide the presence of aircraft... because satellites move around the planet in orbit so the Orcs will know when their airfields are visible and when they are not so when they are visible they can hide stuff and when they are no longer visible they can move everything so attacks on aircraft or vehicles or radars will hit empty locations till the next optical satellite comes over to see everything as moved.

Much of the Ukraine is either farmland... suggesting large barns and sheds, or urban... meaning lots and lots of buildings to hide things in...

Sorry if it offends you but that thinking makes you no differents from the monsters in Kiev.

That is the problem with fighting scum is that they drag you down into the dirt and beat you with their experience of fighting in the dirt.

Instead do the right thing and leave them in the dirt... just cover it over when they are dead...

top masterminds and instead choose to cowardly pour their anger into defenseless, bare-handed Ukrainian civillians

Agree with what you are saying... targeting those with the money in the Ukraine and also in the US who are driving this conflict would be the better solution, but those Ukrainians on the front line hate the Russians too... it is why they were so easily manipulated into being on the front line with a rifle.

Their stupidity is rewarded though, whereas the rich and powerful seem to get away with it... have said it a few times lots of oligarchs properties... houses and businesses and assets in Ukraine should be targeted too, and eventually the government of the Ukraine that created this situation should also be hit... especially the US embassy... but also the Rada...

Perhaps Russia needs to develop a 300mm version of the TOS-1 thermobaric mlrs and another rocket system similar to the Polonez. These systems will really help in saturating Ukrainian meat fodders and hasten to end their misery

The 220mm TOS rocket already gets the job done, instead of wasting money developing new calibres to do the same thing it would make more sense just to make more TOS rockets.

They don't need longer range or heavier warheads, they are already big enough and heavy enough and with enough reach.

I never cared to condemn, we are the superpower on the continent, we should impose our will without the consideration of vassals

So you are no better than the US or UK or France of Germany... I am a bully... do what I say or I will kill you and destroy your country.

This is so fucked up on many levels. I don't even know what to say.

Sounds like the authorities are going to get to the bottom of it...

This Cheburashka is very short-ranged, sub10km. Even shorter than marine breed Ogon. It has been constructed with one goal only, a mass suppressive salvos delivered for trench warfare.

This was reported as Cheburashka at work.

That makes more sense... it really does not matter if you are 10km or 100km away from the target if there are three rows of bushes and trees between you they are not going to see you pull up... fire... and leave... and so having shorter range means you can have a higher payload to propellent ratio.

Compare the amount of propellent needed to launch a 122mm Grad rocket 20km in the old versions with the propellent used to fire a 122mm artillery shell 15km and the difference is enormous... rockets are wasteful in terms of propellent.

Newer models can reach 40km so they are not so bad, but the amount of propellent used is still excessive.

The flute system although having a short range would be a cheap method of causing mass wounded casualties as well as actual deaths within Ukrainian troops. Although the range is 3-6km depending on the rocket used.

I would think a Grad vehicle with 122mm rockets with a 20-40km range would be more useful and the increased warhead weight as well as increased dispersion  against targets at 15-20km would make them effective enough most of the time.

I would think those 80mm rockets on the back of light vehicles might be better used in a semi direct fire mode against an enemy trench line, or perhaps from a few hundred metres behind your own trench line aimed at enemy approaching your trench in the open...

The short range and near direct fire use means no horribly off course much longer range rocket that might land on your own trenches when being fired at approaching enemy forces...

Oplot is Ukrainized T-80UD. No more, no less. You all can go now and throw some shit on T-80UD, would be fun to read!

There were more than 10 T-80UDs.

Which NATO artillery outranges Russian?

How many do they have collectively?

And how long do they keep firing before they break and need to be fixed... not to mention how much they cost and what special ammo they need for that extra reach.

He's missing Odessa, Kharkiv, Dnipro Poltava Sumy

As the fighting continues and Ukraine forces collapse or withdraw to shorter lines to defend such regions can join the RF if they wish.

Including the 207mm?

I think you mean 203mm like Pion and Malka...

“We are currently grinding up the armed forces of Ukraine. When the moment is favorable for us, our army will go on the offensive,” Perminov told Russian news outlet URA.RU in an interview published on Sunday.

If conditions are favourable for an advance then it makes sense to do so... remaining on fixed lines would create a WWI like stalemate, so given the chance to advance would put more pressure in Kiev to discuss terms seriously... the longer it takes the worse the terms will be for them... so really they should be talking now... but thank goodness they are idiots and think the west will save them or Russia will collapse.

Their problem is that Russians are likely much better informed about what is happening than most in the west.

It would be a catastrophic mistake not to grab areas like Odessa, Khakrov etc

I agree, and I suspect Russia will expect referendums to be held in most places inside the Ukraine to allow the people to determine their own future, and I suspect because of the way Russia has conducted itself that many people in regions that Russia does not hold yet will consider joining the RF rather than being neutral with no ties to the EU or HATO because that will result in another Albania in the region.

Ukro Nazis were also posting videos of how T-84 can reverse at 32km/hr.

So why aren't they in the Crimea destroying everything... I mean if they can reverse at such speeds... how do the crew breathe at such speeds...  

Off topic posts to be removed to the talking bollocks thread...


Moved Oplot discussion here.

And the other stuff like Pods tantrum and other tantrums to the talking bollocks thread in the General Chat section.

Minimum 28 tanks on this train.

@Garry,
Regarding the Cheburashka range, I guess this is what the republican units needed lacking longer-range recon anyway.

And for T-80UD, only about 300 have been produced by the Soviet Union. Most of them ended up in Russia, and finally at storage bases. Ukraine got some 100 pcs, but as they still had lots of spare storage, finished some 50 pcs and delivered them to their own armed forces in 1992.
When they have won a contract with Pakistan for 320 pcs, Pakistanis agreed to part of them being refurbished from the army stocks. They still had to make some 200 pcs with Russian assistance, and it was the only serious source of Oplot project continuation.

Media: Russia launched an offensive in the Kharkov region by Valentina Grigorenko for VZGLYAD. 08.07.2023.

Guardian: Russia launched an offensive in the Kharkiv region after the failures of Ukraine in Zaporozhye.

The Russian army launched an offensive in the Kharkiv region, taking control of several settlements, media reported.

According to The Guardian , the intensity of the assault has intensified in recent weeks. It is noted that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation set their sights on the Kharkiv region in order to take control of the north-eastern region, reports RIA Novosti .

According to the publication, the operation of the Russian forces began after a series of defeats of the Ukrainian army in the Zaporozhye direction. As a result of offensive actions, the Russian Federation managed to liberate several settlements in this place.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense said that Russian forces advanced three kilometers during the offensive in the Kupyansk direction.

https://vz.ru/news/2023/8/7/1224763.html

What's the best source for map updates for the conflict.

The only reason Federation and Republican forces should take any territory now is for more advantageous positions on the front for grinding whatever Banderastan throws at them down. Aside from that, territory for territory's sake is pointless.

BTW, I think disillusion is growing in UA ranks. Just a hunch.

Regarding tanks, it is said that the USA finally announced that the downgraded versions M1 Abrams will be sent to the Maidan regime by autumn this year.

I wonder how much the USA charges the Maidan regime for each of these pieces.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The only reason Federation and Republican forces should take any territory now is for more advantageous positions on the front for grinding whatever Banderastan throws at them down. Aside from that, territory for territory's sake is pointless.

At the very least, Russia should take everything from Odessa to Kharkov (to rejoin Russia) and landlock the rest of country 404. The further west you go the more hardcore nazi trash you'll find and that should never be made a part of Russia, but simply conquered, permanently occupied (like Germany and Japan ) and never allowed to join NATO or the EU.

Germany sent Taurus missiles to Ukraine.

An interesting catch.





A hideout with weapons was revealed somewhere in the Lugansk area.
Again, it held only Soviet era weapons. No western supply, and no Ukrainian-made pieces.
What is particularly interesting, is the 9M131 Metis-M. This weapon system was accepted only in 1992, and that date is on the containers either. The meaning is, that Russia exported them to Ukraine after the dissolution of the SU (?).

I have not seen a single Stugna for a while, which would mean that the stock dried out, and they can't produce those anymore.

higurashihougi wrote:Regarding tanks, it is said that the USA finally announced that the downgraded versions M1 Abrams will be sent to the Maidan regime by autumn this year.

I wonder how much the USA charges the Maidan regime for each of these pieces.

Another tank type for display at Kublinka soon.

The money will come out of that US budget and largely be laundered off anyways.

edit: Grammar

ALAMO wrote:I have not seen a single Stugna for a while, which would mean that the stock dried out, and they can't produce those anymore.

There were videos of them using the Stugnas in the offensive just recently