Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52

They claim Kinzhals intercepted almost every time when used, sooo ...

I agree they are saying they can't shoot down Russian missiles in an effort to get more and better air defence missiles, but I would think the ability to shoot down Kinzhals and Kh-22Ms... the latter of which are ancient would be repeated over and over all the time to discredit the Russians who claim they are hitting their targets.

If they could intercept Kinzhals then why bother claiming they can't intercept Kh-22Ms?

Would be like claiming they can shoot down Su-57s but are having problems shooting down Su-35s or Su-27s.

KlitschKO bragged about shot down Kinzhals. Remember the famous pics with him holding the "debris"?

He did, and he showed an old tea pot to prove it...

This was just a warning, whatever Russia can do Ukraine can do too. It is fair thing.

It is not a response in kind... destroying military targets is not the same as hitting civilian targets because military targets are too well protected for your weapons to get through.

Ps. Russian naming Ukrainians as terrorists is beyond pathetic, heavy psychiatric treatment is needed.

Actually Americans call all their enemies terrorists don't they? The west has been claiming this entire conflict is a terrorist aggression from Putin himself.

Heavy calibre bullets are cheap - can fire 1000s of rounds without being bankrupt

Yeah, but they generally fired in the hundreds of thousands of rounds and often didn't hit anything at all... and often did more damage on the ground than the thing they were shooting at.

USA claims they cannot spare 155mm for Urkaine, but some how can send 57K rounds to Israel.

Who is the favourite child...

See the difference in structure, cast quality, and ... everything?

The problem is that Ukraine is down to retarded baby dragons... with baby teeth.

Not that impressive if you target military hardware parked on military bases. There is no civilian near a mig-29 or tank repair site.

It is perfectly normal... IF you are only targeting military hardware and you care if there are civilian targets nearby to choose the time of your attack to minimise civilian casualties.

When the west does it all civilian deaths are claimed to be either not civilian or that it is the fault of the enemy leadership for not capitulating immediately and doing what the west demands straight away.

The Belgorod attack is a good reminder why the "we don't need to capture territory" argument is brain dead stupid.

Up until now holding territory was rather pointless, the idea is to kill the enemy so if you have to retreat a little to get the enemy to charge forward and expose themselves to artillery and air power then you retreated, but when he retreated you follow him and continue to hammer him.

Now that he is running out of bodies starting to advance in lots of different areas puts him under pressure and spreads his available manpower and fire power over a much larger area, and of course continuing to hit ammo and weapon caches and supply lines and military targets in his rear like training camps and merc bases makes sense too.

But the meat grinder wont work forever and when he is near exhaustion then attacking on multiple fronts... so many he wont be able to respond to all of them will result in advances that he can't cope with.

Imagine you are alone in a trench and one man walks towards your position... easy to deal with. Now think of a dozen men advancing... remember they have rifles and rocket launchers and other equipment so if you shoot one the other 11 will know where you are and start shooting at you while advancing... you wont have time to get them all before they reach your line and they will overwhelm you... you either get captured or you retreat. Remember they are wearing body armour so a burst of three rounds to the chest might not do anything at all...

Of course it is much more complicated than that... there might be covered areas he can use to get very close before you see him, or he might use armour.

He might have an American special forces sniper 1.5km away and so he splits his 12 men into 4 waves of 3 men... the first three can be the accountants and special needs guys you got yesterday... While you are dropping them a guy a long way away and his spotter are fixing your position and taking you out.

Obviously when the Russians attack they can use FPV drones and artillery and air support and armour etc etc and their own snipers...

Territory must be captured and a large buffer zone must be created to protect civilians.

The Orcs are shifting to some sort of defensive tactic which means capturing territory beyond those areas that want to join the RF will become necessary.

So far they have Storm Shadow so Orc lines will have to be 300km from RF territory... a good rule of thumb to work out how far back they have to be pushed.

he will either lose his army, or be forced to cede the territory to Russia

Is it selfish to prefer both?

Arkanghelsk wrote:The Ukrainians are reacting to only the beginning of the winter missile campaign

Russia will level much of Kharkov and commit the 2 army corps stationed at Belgorod

At the same time 3 other army corps will be committed in the direction of Pavlograd

Those armies will start moving only once the VKS missile forces have leveled most of the infrastructure in front of them

So it will be big booms the rest of the winter, and them a rapid offensive around february/March

This coincides with the date Avdeevka falls, and the Ukrainian defense lines from Ocheretino to Kurakhovo to be pushed back severely , then collapsing the northern defenses from Ocheretino to Slavyansk

The Ukrainians will continue to lash out with meaningless attacks and attempt to distract from the fact the entire donbass defensive line is going to be pushed outside of the administrative borders of Donetsk

So you keep saying this, what is your information for it? Did the russians say this?

Mir wrote:4) Put Boney M on repeat and it will all be over in a week.

Bravo

pavi wrote:"
1) Surround the city (actually surround it)

2) Cut off electricity and water (actually cut it off)

3) Wait (actually wait and not waste time on humanitarian whining)

There, job done"
Sometimes one must be ready to wait. Leningrad was surrounded 900 days and did not fall. Only viable supply route was through the ice of lake Lagoda at winter time. It is not that simple, Papa.

if the germans had been able to cut off that one supply route the city would have fallen, it was because they failed to it never did

I was asking, whats your source the Russians plan to use these units to launch the assaults you speak off not their existence

So you no concrete info they will and are speculating which is fine, but speculation and fact are separate

It was Budanov all over and once again. GUR was adviced and trained since it's beginning by the UK and US intelligence services, so that's why it's so hard for Bortnikov to infiltrate it. But it's just a question of time and hard work before success comes.

Western cruise missiles are not big enough to accomodate flares and chaffs wrote:

What's up flay etc. Russian cruise missiles can accommodate a small nuclear reactor

Hm but that information doesn't mean they will commit a new front so it is still speculation.

as for dealing with the drones that is indeed a problem they will need to address, High powered jammers across the front isn't possible.

The russians are better off just sending out their shotgun drones to intercept enemy FPPV drones, use them like to "deny" airspace while your assault groups go in

as for the Thermite, I know of it and will be interested to see how it performs. I do like the idea of it.