Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+64
Manov
flamming_python
ucmvulcan
caveat emptor
zorobabel
Lapain
par far
Regular
Arrow
Mir
nomadski
lyle6
Big_Gazza
Tolstoy
Belisarius
Karl Haushofer
TMA1
rfan
PhSt
Erk
higurashihougi
kvs
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E
AlfaT8
GunshipDemocracy
Airbornewolf
thegopnik
mr_hd
Odin of Ossetia
PapaDragon
SolidarityWithRussia
ALAMO
GarryB
Backman
Godric
Kiko
JohninMK
Hole
mnztr
sepheronx
Ispan
AMCXXL
Pincus Shain
T-47
Tsavo Lion
ArgentinaGuard
franco
Werewolf
Dr.Snufflebug
littlerabbit
owais.usmani
zare
Walther von Oldenburg
Isos
LMFS
d_taddei2
SeigSoloyvov
VARGR198
bandit6
Sujoy
SovietAce
Sprut-B
billybatts91
Firebird
68 posters

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    caveat emptor
    caveat emptor


    Posts : 2027
    Points : 2029
    Join date : 2022-02-02
    Location : Murrica

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  caveat emptor Sun Sep 03, 2023 3:56 pm

    Interesting find by Viktor Murakhovsky

    https://t.me/Viktor_Murakhovskiy/507?single

    New rocket?

    The picture shows a T-90M tank firing in the Seversky direction. The second picture shows a frame from the commander's video viewing device.

    The fire is conducted by a guided missile (letter "U", marked), its tracer is visible above the aiming line (marked), at a distance of 6830 meters (marked). It is known that the missile "Invar-M" has a range of 5000 meters.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Img_2159Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Img_2160

    GarryB, franco, dino00, d_taddei2, Big_Gazza, ALAMO, PapaDragon and like this post

    franco
    franco


    Posts : 7060
    Points : 7086
    Join date : 2010-08-18

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  franco Sun Sep 03, 2023 3:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:

    Why bother with plastic tray? It's nothing but biscuits, plastic bag is enough  Rolling Eyes


    Hopefully that can of food are from those donated by Sweden Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    GarryB, d_taddei2, ALAMO, PapaDragon, Godric, GunshipDemocracy, VARGR198 and like this post

    avatar
    ALAMO


    Posts : 7531
    Points : 7621
    Join date : 2014-11-25

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 03, 2023 4:40 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    That is all right and good, and yet these are the same people that happily bought into the lies of being different and better than their Russian brothers and entitled to live off handouts from them, while in parallel fancying becoming European and more than ready to be their tool to ultimately destroy and usurp everything Russian, out of arrogance and self interest. How many in Kiev are rejecting the Ukrainian "national symbols", "national heroes" and their current regime for what they are, worthless Nazi scum? How many have understood their nation is a lie and their Western "friends" just overlords that see them as little more than cattle? That is the issue, there is more than one layer of truth to all of this, and until population in 404 realizes their share of guilt in the ongoing disaster they will not be able to solve it. Mind you, the ones that survive the plans of the West and their genocidal regime in Kiev...

    That is correct, to. And resonate perfectly well with what I have said.
    What we see now is an endgame of Ender's game.
    Those people were brainwashed for so long, that finally stopped to notice.
    Two generations were raised with this madness being applied to them, but it was not their fault.
    No matter how they voted, no matter what choices they made - it ended up with just the same scam scheme.
    Those who disobeyed had nothing else to do other than emigrate.
    And millions did. Even before 2014!
    And guess what? This scam is not solely Ukrainian!
    From the Polish perspective, the existing Kievan regime is an eternal threat. A military camp pretending a country, armed to the teeth, bound with an obviously chauvinist, radically nationalist, and openly antiPolish ideology. With people in charge background by forces that openly contest the borders and claim part of Poland to be Ukrainian land.
    It was Yanuk who started a debanderization of Ukraine. Started serious friendly relations with Poland, both countries started to get closer and closer together on common interests.
    So what has happened, that open to Poland Ukraine was pushed out of the window, replaced by antiPolish regime, while in Warsaw people clap their hands and sing UPA anthem?!?
    It is just the same propaganda carried toward Poles. It is sourced from the same place. Financed by the same money.

    franco, GunshipDemocracy, Rodion_Romanovic, LMFS and jon_deluxe like this post

    caveat emptor
    caveat emptor


    Posts : 2027
    Points : 2029
    Join date : 2022-02-02
    Location : Murrica

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  caveat emptor Sun Sep 03, 2023 4:59 pm

    Weird:
    https://t.me/bmpd_cast/17272
    As they say, what the Russians will not come up with, if only not to build shelters for aircraft - judging by the satellite image of September 1, at the Engels airfield, Tu-95MS strategic bombers cover the top with car tires to protect against UAVs


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Img_2161

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Img_2162


    Last edited by caveat emptor on Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:08 pm; edited 1 time in total

    GarryB, flamming_python, PapaDragon and jon_deluxe like this post

    caveat emptor
    caveat emptor


    Posts : 2027
    Points : 2029
    Join date : 2022-02-02
    Location : Murrica

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  caveat emptor Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:06 pm

    Story of helicopter that landed in Kharkov oblast got new episode.
    https://t.me/milinfolive/105934

    Almost a month after the flight of the Russian Mi-8AMTSh, Ukrainian propagandists announced a report about this event and an interview with the pilot.

    Recall that according to one version, the helicopter pilot lost his landmark, for some reason all his instruments failed, as a result of which the Mi-8 landed on the territory of Ukraine. According to another version, the pilot initially planned the escape and carried it out under the control of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine.

    Of course, for such a long processing time, a person can be forced to say and do anything on video. Recalling the recent situation on the Dnieper, Major Tomov, who was captured, became the hero of a good Ukrainian "decree" just a few hours after the capture, to say nothing of a longer period.

    However, in our subjective opinion, it does not seem that the pilot in the video speaks "on a piece of paper", and the story of the failure of all instruments, including the civilian navigator that they take with them, looks extremely rotten.

    Military Informant
    caveat emptor
    caveat emptor


    Posts : 2027
    Points : 2029
    Join date : 2022-02-02
    Location : Murrica

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  caveat emptor Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:11 pm

    https://t.me/milinfolive/105945

    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has published an order according to which certain categories of those with limited fitness are now also subject to conscription into the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    So, now the sick will be called:
    - tuberculosis,
    - hepatitis,
    — HIV,
    - with mild mental disorders and neurotic disorders,
    - with certain diseases of the central nervous system, blood, endocrine system,
    - with episodic paroxysmal disorders (panic attacks, fainting, dizziness, epileptic seizures).

    All this is taking place against the backdrop of an active struggle against those who evade on medical grounds and threats of extradition from Europe for those whose illnesses are in doubt. As it is easy to understand, even despite the constant mobilization, the problems with the personnel of the enemy are still significant.

    Military Informant

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Img_2163

    GarryB, franco, PapaDragon and GunshipDemocracy like this post

    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon


    Posts : 13483
    Points : 13523
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  PapaDragon Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:39 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Weird:
    https://t.me/bmpd_cast/17272
    As they say, what the Russians will not come up with, if only not to build shelters for aircraft - judging by the satellite image of September 1, at the Engels airfield, Tu-95MS strategic bombers cover the top with car tires to protect against UAVs


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Img_2161
    ...

    Retarded beyond belief, no other way to describe it...






    Isos, owais.usmani, Rasisuki Nebia and caveat emptor like this post

    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11605
    Points : 11573
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  Isos Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:42 pm

    A dumb concrete shelter can be made in few days and cost more or less 5000$.

    owais.usmani likes this post

    caveat emptor
    caveat emptor


    Posts : 2027
    Points : 2029
    Join date : 2022-02-02
    Location : Murrica

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  caveat emptor Sun Sep 03, 2023 5:49 pm

    Witty comment from Fighterbomber on whole tire affair:

    https://t.me/fighter_bomber/13869

    There is such a thing in science.  I don't remember exactly what it's called, but the idea is that a group of scientists randomly mix various ingredients in the hope of obtaining substances previously unknown to science.  With the goal of world peace, of course.

    It seems to me that the tires on the Tu95x are from this series.
    Let's kick it and see what happens.  Especially tires, they are free and there are a lot of them.  They will ask from the upper headquarters "did you take measures there?"  Answer that with "Yes, sir!"  Accepted, commander!  Increased amplification of armor penetration and stealth of strategists.  And at least the drone operator will go nuts, and while he consults with Nato, what kind of garbage is this, the drone will capture the chipboard with a bayonet-knife.
    Well, I have no other assumptions why the **** it was done.  Although I have a complete order with fantasy.
    From above they demanded to do something and report back.  Something was done and reported.  Everyone is happy.  NATO is in shock.  As usual.

    At the same time, we must understand that we do not have a war.  We have SMO.  And in the SMO, not only are gabions for building shelters for aircraft and personnel not allowed, you are not even allowed sandbags.
    Here we enjoy the views of tires from satellites.

    flamming_python, d_taddei2 and jon_deluxe like this post

    nomadski
    nomadski


    Posts : 3079
    Points : 3087
    Join date : 2017-01-02

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  nomadski Sun Sep 03, 2023 6:26 pm

    Tyres ? Not as crazy as it sounds ! The key is : Available materials . Does small frag rounds penetrate Rubber ? No , if it is thick enough . An improvement to this idea ; Why not heat Tyres into flat sheets , and put them on trolley carriers , for wings and body ? Believe it or not , I once was talking about reactive armour for planes with someone , well a lite version ! Keep smiling .


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yfsmmk93H3I&pp=ygUZd2hlbiB5b3UgYXJlIHNtaWxpbmcgc29uZw%3D%3D

    GarryB likes this post

    avatar
    mnztr


    Posts : 2910
    Points : 2948
    Join date : 2018-01-21

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  mnztr Sun Sep 03, 2023 6:39 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:


    The ethnic Ukrainians have been infiltrating the Polish power structures for decades, and they have been undermining the ethnic Poles at every turn.

    Now they are openly singing the UPA anthem in Warsaw, which has been practically turned into their power base (only 8% of people in Warsaw could be described as natives of that city).

    It is a matter of time before they openly turn on Poland in a massive way.





    Poles moved to Germany, Ukranians to Poland. That explains some of the insanity of Europe.

    GarryB likes this post

    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 9569
    Points : 9627
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  flamming_python Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:02 pm

    And Russians were meant to have moved to the Ukraine, after it had been couped and transformed into the cheapest resource colony and labour pool of all

    That's how the Ponzi scheme of Western economies operate.

    Didn't go as planned of course.

    GarryB, GunshipDemocracy, Hole, Broski and jon_deluxe like this post

    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 9569
    Points : 9627
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  flamming_python Sun Sep 03, 2023 8:21 pm

    https://t.me/sonar_21/5631
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Photo_11

    ‼🇩🇪🇺🇦 "Surrender us the deserters!": More than 160,000 Ukrainians of military age fled to Germany, they can be returned back - Bild

    ▪Only according to the official data of the German Ministry of Internal Affairs (as of February), 163,287 Ukrainians subject to mobilization entered Germany after the outbreak of hostilities.
    ▪The publication reports that this is more than half of the Ukrainian army at the moment.
    ▪Yesterday, the head of the Servant of the People faction of the Ukrainian president, David Arakhamia, said that Ukrainians liable for military service who left Ukraine on fake certificates of unfitness for service could be extradited home .

    GarryB, kvs, PapaDragon, GunshipDemocracy, Broski and jon_deluxe like this post

    avatar
    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E


    Posts : 737
    Points : 753
    Join date : 2016-01-20

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:16 pm

    @Sprinter99800
    On the territory of the Moscow region, additional sites have been created for the deployment of Pantsir-S1 Anti-Aircraft Missile Launchers, designed to protect the capital from possible attacks by unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) from Ukraine.
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 F5H0CuqWoAAUvIb?format=jpg&name=large

    GarryB, kvs, Godric, GunshipDemocracy, JohninMK, zardof, nomadski and like this post

    avatar
    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E


    Posts : 737
    Points : 753
    Join date : 2016-01-20

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:49 pm


    @WarMonitors
    #BREAKING Ukraine's Zelenskiy says he will propose dismissal of Defence Minister Reznikov this week, to propose Rustem Umerov as replacement

    GarryB likes this post

    caveat emptor
    caveat emptor


    Posts : 2027
    Points : 2029
    Join date : 2022-02-02
    Location : Murrica

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  caveat emptor Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:51 pm

    nomadski wrote:Tyres ? Not as crazy as it sounds ! The key is : Available materials . Does small frag rounds penetrate Rubber ? No , if it is thick enough .

    Yes, because regular steel wire net is hard to come by. Considering that most of the attacks were done by quadrocopters or fpv drones, wire net screen is good enough  and easy to install. For Strizh or anything heavier there is AA defence.
    Price of those 2 Il-76 and Tu-22M3 that were destroyed is several hundred million dollars. Not to mention two damaged Tu-76 in Pskov and Beriev-50 hit in Belarus. All for the cost of few grand.


    Last edited by caveat emptor on Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:03 am; edited 1 time in total

    d_taddei2, PapaDragon and nomadski like this post

    avatar
    par far


    Posts : 3496
    Points : 3741
    Join date : 2014-06-26

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  par far Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:55 pm

    flamming_python wrote:https://t.me/sonar_21/5631
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Photo_11

    ‼🇩🇪🇺🇦 "Surrender us the deserters!": More than 160,000 Ukrainians of military age fled to Germany, they can be returned back - Bild

    ▪Only according to the official data of the German Ministry of Internal Affairs (as of February), 163,287 Ukrainians subject to mobilization entered Germany after the outbreak of hostilities.
    ▪The publication reports that this is more than half of the Ukrainian army at the moment.
    ▪Yesterday, the head of the Servant of the People faction of the Ukrainian president, David Arakhamia, said that Ukrainians liable for military service who left Ukraine on fake certificates of unfitness for service could be extradited home .




    If they try to bring those people back from Europe and elsewhere, the blowback, I am thinking is going to be huge.

    GarryB, flamming_python, d_taddei2, zardof, nomadski, Hole, Broski and SolidarityWithRussia like this post

    thegopnik
    thegopnik


    Posts : 1832
    Points : 1834
    Join date : 2017-09-20

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  thegopnik Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:52 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Screen57

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 16937710
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Screen58
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Screen59

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Screen60

    GarryB, d_taddei2, Godric, GunshipDemocracy, LMFS, Broski and SolidarityWithRussia like this post

    thegopnik
    thegopnik


    Posts : 1832
    Points : 1834
    Join date : 2017-09-20

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  thegopnik Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:57 pm

    not a good way to represent yourself publicly to the U.S. like this

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 16937710

    GarryB, GunshipDemocracy and Broski like this post

    Regular
    Regular


    Posts : 3894
    Points : 3868
    Join date : 2013-03-10
    Location : Ukrolovestan

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  Regular Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:18 am

    ^^^
    Nazis in US are CIA front anyway, same as in most of the Europe. Bits of Gladius program

    By the way, what do you all think when Ukrainian offensive will finally run out of steam? They are doing infantry insertions and creep into Zapo and it seems to be working for them to reach the lines, instead of armour pushes. And they are not loosing as much maneuver assets as before, only manpower (they still have ample of empty heads at disposal in Zapo) what will be in their next master plan?

    GarryB likes this post

    d_taddei2
    d_taddei2


    Posts : 3029
    Points : 3203
    Join date : 2013-05-11
    Location : Scotland Alba

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Sep 04, 2023 1:58 am

    With the level of armour loses on Ukrainian side and Europe and UK having majority depleted of armour I wonder if and when will we see French and Greek AMX-10P,  AMX-30, AMX VCI, Panhard AML, and German wiesels (to name a few) yet to make an appearance most likely majority still in storage apart from the wiesels. Or is a case they no longer want to send armour to Ukraine?


    Last edited by d_taddei2 on Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:55 am; edited 1 time in total

    GarryB likes this post

    PhSt
    PhSt


    Posts : 1494
    Points : 1500
    Join date : 2019-04-02
    Location : Canada

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  PhSt Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:28 am


    They are doing infantry insertions and creep into Zapo and it seems to be working for them to reach the lines, instead of armour pushes. And they are not loosing as much maneuver assets as before, only manpower (they still have ample of empty heads at disposal in Zapo)


    NATO knows that their armour is no match against Russian anti tank weapons. This is an opportune moment for Russia to strike at the rear and destroy as much NATO armour as they can in storage points or area of concentration

    d_taddei2 and zardof like this post

    Backman
    Backman


    Posts : 2709
    Points : 2723
    Join date : 2020-11-11

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  Backman Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:05 am

    nomadski wrote:


    The nature of Nukes , keeps the general peace in the world . That is not to say that things will not escalate to the point of  war , for a short while or an incident . Since the nature of the world is violent , not all violence can be averted . It is likely that Russia / NATO , or some other world power , will at some stage enter into direct conflict for a short while . This conflict may involve a limited Nuclear exchange , at a local level , since violence is the nature of the world , and so is human  stupidity . This is likely ! But because Nukes are very powerful , and lead to annihilation , despite there being stupidity in human society , unlikely that there will be a MAD situation . Likely that after the limited exchange , there will be cessation of all hostilities , or peace for a short while ( 50 - 100 years )  . Someone shone a bright ( Nuclear ) light , into the human mind !

    I don't think this was ever really the case. The remembrance of the previous wars is what was keeping the peace. Just like before.

    Has the Ukraine war not exposed nukes as a bit of a red herring all along ? Medvedev makes statements about nukes almost weekly. And the US carries on arming Ukraine to fight for Nato ownership of the entire country + Crimea. If nukes hasn't even dissuaded the US of even thinking about changing its policy on Crimea, what good are they doing ?

    Taiwan is in around the same place as Ukraine was in 2018. The state of war already exists. It started with the Pelosi visit. There are no negotiations. There is nothing to negotiate. The US will keep crossing China's brightest of all red lines. And China will eventually attack. It has no choice. China has nukes. They didn't stop this from happening.

    Putin really did seem to believe that the US was going to force Russia to attack. And only then, throw on the sanctions and then make some sort of deal. Putin thought that because Russia has nukes. But they didn't matter.

    Even if the US openly planned to attack Russia, and it had the option of using its own troops, it would probably prefer to use Ukraine troops anyway. So the nukes almost counted for nothing.
    TMA1
    TMA1


    Posts : 1194
    Points : 1192
    Join date : 2020-11-30

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  TMA1 Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:38 am

    Backman wrote:
    nomadski wrote:


    The nature of Nukes , keeps the general peace in the world . That is not to say that things will not escalate to the point of  war , for a short while or an incident . Since the nature of the world is violent , not all violence can be averted . It is likely that Russia / NATO , or some other world power , will at some stage enter into direct conflict for a short while . This conflict may involve a limited Nuclear exchange , at a local level , since violence is the nature of the world , and so is human  stupidity . This is likely ! But because Nukes are very powerful , and lead to annihilation , despite there being stupidity in human society , unlikely that there will be a MAD situation . Likely that after the limited exchange , there will be cessation of all hostilities , or peace for a short while ( 50 - 100 years )  . Someone shone a bright ( Nuclear ) light , into the human mind !

    I don't think this was ever really the case. The remembrance of the previous wars is what was keeping the peace. Just like before.

    Has the Ukraine war not exposed nukes as a bit of a red herring all along ? Medvedev makes statements about nukes almost weekly. And the US carries on arming Ukraine to fight for Nato ownership of the entire country + Crimea. If nukes hasn't even dissuaded the US of even thinking about changing its policy on Crimea, what good are they doing ?

    Taiwan is in around the same place as Ukraine was in 2018. The state of war already exists. It started with the Pelosi visit. There are no negotiations. There is nothing to negotiate. The US will keep crossing China's brightest of all red lines. And China will eventually attack. It has no choice. China has nukes. They didn't stop this from happening.

    Putin really did seem to believe that the US was going to force Russia to attack. And only then, throw on the sanctions and then make some sort of deal. Putin thought that because Russia has nukes. But they didn't matter.

    Even if the US openly planned to attack Russia, and it had the option of using its own troops, it would probably prefer to use Ukraine troops anyway. So the nukes almost counted for nothing.

    Extremely short sighted and frankly ignorant statement. Nukes most assuredly matter. The issue is it is the ultimate option and the west knows Russia doesnt want to use them. Some in the west wish to goad Russia into hasty escalation in order to hopefully cause enough internal strife that Russia gets regime changed. Did you see the canned comments here after the drone strike? Immediate calls for Putin to resign? Over RC quadcopters with c4 planted on them?

    The west is only behaving as it has because Russia has nukes. If it didnt things would be oh so very different. The west is pushing as brazenly as it can to cause mischief. Thry will continue to until Putin is gone or they are gone from power. Things are not good at all. The neocons cannot win. Because if they can regime change Russia they can do it to all other nations on earth.

    Edit: apologies for the massive quote.

    Broski likes this post

    PhSt
    PhSt


    Posts : 1494
    Points : 1500
    Join date : 2019-04-02
    Location : Canada

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  PhSt Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:56 am


    Some in the west wish to goad Russia into hasty escalation in order to hopefully cause enough internal strife that Russia gets regime changed. Did you see the canned comments here after the drone strike? Immediate calls for Putin to resign? Over RC quadcopters with c4 planted on them?

    The west is pushing as brazenly as it can to cause mischief. Thry will continue to until Putin is gone or they are gone from power. Things are not good at all. The neocons cannot win. Because if they can regime change Russia they can do it to all other nations on earth.


    I wish Russia goes beyond the usual protocol and use the same malevolent methods used by NATO to cause mischief and misery among NATO countries particularly the US. Perhaps blow up a chemical plant or even a nuclear plant in continental US which would cause a massive humanitarian catastrophe or even better a sophisticated attack on the US economy that will hasten up its economic collapse.

    After the US is weakened Russia will have to seize the opportunity to take back its pre 1990s borders and start the process of Russification in its reverted territories.

    Sponsored content


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48 - Page 8 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Mon Nov 25, 2024 12:28 pm