Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

the only good nazi is 6 foot under Russian or Ukrainian soil

Regular wrote:....
By the way, what do you all think when Ukrainian offensive will finally run out of steam? They are doing infantry insertions and creep into Zapo and it seems to be working for them to reach the lines, instead of armour pushes. And they are not loosing as much maneuver assets as before, only manpower (they still have ample of empty heads at disposal in Zapo) what will be in their next master plan?

When you see Challenger tanks getting torched it will be beginning of the end

Still plenty of meat to roast until then

PapaDragon wrote:

Regular wrote:....
By the way, what do you all think when Ukrainian offensive will finally run out of steam? They are doing infantry insertions and creep into Zapo and it seems to be working for them to reach the lines, instead of armour pushes. And they are not loosing as much maneuver assets as before, only manpower (they still have ample of empty heads at disposal in Zapo) what will be in their next master plan?

When you see Challenger tanks getting torched it will be beginning of the end

Still plenty of meat to roast until then

What is going on in Zaprozhiye? Per Sprinter on twitter, the Ukrainians finally broke into the first defensive belt. Have they been pushed back, was this only a small recon party, what's going on?

The principal thing one must understand is a fact, that Ukrainian are victims of this whole shit, first of all.
They are stuck in a cage no matter their own opinion.

Could argue that they were fooled by delusions of grandeur from the west to think they were European and white like other Europeans and the Russians were the darkie half asians who are the enemy... and all you need to do is help the west fight off those half asian Russians and destroy their economy and make them overthrow Putin to stop their development and progress and as a reward you can have as much of their territory as you want. We will supply the money and ammo and all the super western weapons that will cut through Russian lines like a red hot knife through soft butter that has been left out of the fridge and has been sitting in the sunshine for a day.

They lapped that bullshit up ignoring the actual history of the region and the west.

They are victims in the sense that they didn't stop something going wrong and ended up being the sharp end of the spear being used to try to kill millions of large strong powerful animals and as they get blunt and break and need to be replaced they start to feel sorry for themselves and not the powerful animals they have already killed or the damage they did... they don't even seem angry at the west who from the outset have been using them to weaken their strategic rivals who used to be Ukraines main customer for their engines and parts.

When the nazis stuff and Bandera were used as heros that should have been enough to realise you are on the wrong side.

Bandera could have been a Ukrainian hero without murdering all those innocent civilians from Russia and Poland... Putin is currently doing the reverse of what he did and he is going out of his way to spare innocent victims... unlike the EU and UK and US with their DU ammo and cluster munitions...

Random Ukrainian voted for peace not once but twice.
And was deluded again in both cases.

But when push came to shove they didn't care enough to do anything about it.

Now they are suffering out comes the victim card.

Both Porky and Cocainsky made the election campaign based on peace. How they will kneel in front of everybody, begging for peace if needed.
And both lied.

Porky ran against Cocainsky offering war, and they chose peace, but when they were clearly not getting it... where was Maiden 2?

They were happy to murder pro Russians to get into the EU and HATO... let them start to murder each other to decide where to go now...

The only thing a human being can do, facing so corrupted, lying, and soulless regime, is vote with their own feet.
And that is what millions and millions of Ukrainians did.

And leave behind those who can't run. If they don't want to fight for their own country then no wonder it was so easy to take from them the way the US and EU and UK did.

People who never dealed with them must realize, that it is a very hard working nation. A good, decent, and humble people.

Yeah, tell that to the people burned to death in Odessa while these good decent humble people watched on or fired the shots that killed those trying to escape the flames.

Perhaps if they realised they were next... buy how could such an evil regime turn on its own people....

Every day watching this man and women working hard and honest, I realize that we face a case of stealing a country from them.
Imagine that.

That is crazy talk... the west would never do that... again and again and again... BTW they are keeping a tab and you owe them enough that you and your children and their children and your grand and great grand children are all going to be their Slaves... didn't really think about that either because the rich white guy stays rich by never actually paying the bill.

You are waking up one day only to realize that your country is gone. Trying to do your job as always, but the country that followed is turning into a shithole, no matter how hard you try.
You are voting for changes, yet those changes are made opposite to the ones they have used to delude you.
On a daily basis, an extreme propaganda campaign is unleashed, to brainwash your compatriots.
Turn them into nationalist scumbags, with mouths full of shit. And spoiled minds, seeing the enemies where there are none while cheering your clear enemies.
I feel a deep sorrow for them. Their fate shows, that nothing is granted.

Ahh for fucks sake... you said yourself that Poro started with the peace plan and was elected because of it and lied and then Zelensky went up against him in round two being the peace candidate after it was clear that Poro was NOT the peace plan guy and Zelensky turned out to be the war lord too... but the Ukrainians still believe their government and their allies are telling them the truth and those damn Russians are the real problem and they are the invaders but we should feel sorry for them?

The best way they can end this conflict is standing up in the countries they have moved to... which are most of the countries that are supporting them from the west and say this is bullshit, we never wanted any of this anti Russia crap that has totally destroyed our country... stop funding Kiev and Zelensky... he is a nazi prick who is not interested in peace or a solution and is mad.

This war ends when western support ends... all the other crap about feeling sorry for these people is bullshit.

Demonising Putin and Russians for going in and trying to stop what Kiev was doing to its own people is not helping anyone except the western who started all of this just to damage Russia and get rid of Putin.

Why bother with plastic tray? It's nothing but biscuits, plastic bag is enough

When it comes in a handy reinforced bullet proof plastic tray they can charge $50 per meal, but if it only came in a bag they could only charge $20 and claim each meal comes with a secondary weapon... a plastic bag for suffocating old ladies in occupied territories who don't shout nazi and pro Ukrainian slogans as the Orcs approach...

From the Polish perspective, the existing Kievan regime is an eternal threat. A military camp pretending a country, armed to the teeth, bound with an obviously chauvinist, radically nationalist, and openly antiPolish ideology. With people in charge background by forces that openly contest the borders and claim part of Poland to be Ukrainian land.

Well couldn't Polands neighbours argue the same... after the second world war Poland lost territory... but after the first world war they stole a lot of territory too... even at the start of WWII they stole territory from their neighbours as Germany expanded too... Poland is hardly the victim here.

Poland is the biggest supporter of Ukraine battering itself against Russia... and they don't seem at all upset about the damage that is being done to the weapon being used... the battering ram is breaking up and they are worried because the wall you are trying to knock down looks stronger than ever but also not very happy at being attacked...

Yet, Poland keeps playing stupid games...

It was Yanuk who started a debanderization of Ukraine. Started serious friendly relations with Poland, both countries started to get closer and closer together on common interests.
So what has happened, that open to Poland Ukraine was pushed out of the window, replaced by antiPolish regime, while in Warsaw people clap their hands and sing UPA anthem?!?
It is just the same propaganda carried toward Poles. It is sourced from the same place. Financed by the same money.

Sorry dude... sounds like people from your neck of the woods are fucking stupid.

When Polish experts go on about the evil Russia has done to Poland in the 20th century how much of that was done by Siberians and how much by Ukrainians.

You appear to be blaming Russians for what Georgians (Stalin) and Ukrainians have done to you, but when Russia fractures into states the blame shifts to Russia and Ukraine and Georgia are clean and victims of Russia just like you guys.

As they say, what the Russians will not come up with, if only not to build shelters for aircraft - judging by the satellite image of September 1, at the Engels airfield, Tu-95MS strategic bombers cover the top with car tires to protect against UAVs

The drones that get through are tiny and their explosive charges are tiny so putting a car tire on the fuel tanks of the aircraft will stop a tiny explosive charge penetrating the skin of the aircraft and setting the fuel on fire... it is not the explosion that destroys the aircraft... it is the fuel based fire that destroys them.

As a short term solution it is actually rather cheap and simple and clever.

If they decide to replace their tiny bombs with material to start a fire to try to burn the tires I hope they include ropes tied to the tires so they can be dragged off if they are set on fire quickly too.

A dumb concrete shelter can be made in few days and cost more or less 5000$.

A concrete shelter big enough for a Bear bomber... where do you buy your concrete and rebar?

A half arsed concrete shelter hit with explosives from a drone could collapse on an aircraft and do rather more damage than such a small HE charge could otherwise manage.

Check what happened to the Buran... plus winter is coming... how strong will it need to be with 500 tons of snow on it?

Yesterday, the head of the Servant of the People faction of the Ukrainian president, David Arakhamia, said that Ukrainians liable for military service who left Ukraine on fake certificates of unfitness for service could be extradited home .

If they send them back in huge numbers then the Ukraine will suddenly get large numbers of young men who don't want to die for Kiev or Zelensky or indeed Biden.

But we can see in their new adopted countries they still support Kiev against Russia so let them go to the front line and not see the Russians that kill them.

Yes, because regular steel wire net is hard to come by.

If you want to still be able to fly the aircraft then steel mesh becomes problematic and would need to be fitted in such a way that it could be put on and taken off quickly and easily to allow the aircraft to be operational ready to go.

Tyres are not attached and would probably get blown off on takeoff...

Or they might be even harder to remove but were much more available at the time than a net the size needed to cover a Bear bomber... which is not a small aircraft.

A net would actually be more sensible as all you need is a metal frame to hang the net over to prevent small drones approaching the aircraft.

The tires are likely solution one... quick and easy and cheap, and solution two might be metal framing and nets and eventually the metal framing might turn into more permanent structures.

Has the Ukraine war not exposed nukes as a bit of a red herring all along ? Medvedev makes statements about nukes almost weekly. And the US carries on arming Ukraine to fight for Nato ownership of the entire country + Crimea. If nukes hasn't even dissuaded the US of even thinking about changing its policy on Crimea, what good are they doing ?

It is the fear of Russian nukes that stops US troops on the ground.... they can play the duplicity game and state Kiev can't use western weapons against Russian territory but fall back on the fact that they claim the new parts of Russia are not Russian territory because the US and west and Ukraine do not recognise them as such, but the real reason is that they don't want to get dragged into the conflict and actually have to supply bodies to the furnace... and the reason they don't is because that would justify the use of nuclear weapons for Russia based on Russian rules.

Even if the US openly planned to attack Russia, and it had the option of using its own troops, it would probably prefer to use Ukraine troops anyway. So the nukes almost counted for nothing.

Part of the reason the don't use their own troops is to avoid direct confrontation which would lead to nukes being used.

The west is only behaving as it has because Russia has nukes. If it didnt things would be oh so very different. The west is pushing as brazenly as it can to cause mischief. Thry will continue to until Putin is gone or they are gone from power. Things are not good at all. The neocons cannot win. Because if they can regime change Russia they can do it to all other nations on earth.

The hilarious punchline to the joke however is that Putin used to be the most pro western Russian politician with any chance of being in power.

Navalny is a fiction and has zero chance, and anyone who replaces Putin will understand how they got into power and realise the problem is the west and nothing else... does anyone think the western elite will get their way with this person?

I doubt it.

After the US is weakened Russia will have to seize the opportunity to take back its pre 1990s borders and start the process of Russification in its reverted territories.

Russia has all the territory it needs... it would not benefit from having to fix all of the Ukraine and we know the west wont lift a finger or spend a euro or dollar to help as a charity... the only companies they helped in Russia in the 1990s were oil exploration companies...

ucmvulcan wrote:What is going on in Zaprozhiye? Per Sprinter on twitter, the Ukrainians finally broke into the first defensive belt.  Have they been pushed back, was this only a small recon party, what's going on?

What is going on? The Ukrop nazi trash are getting their shit pushed in on an hourly basis

How else can anyone judge a "counter-offensive" that has lasted this long, gained so little, and cost so much in both men and equipment?

The fascist Kiev regime is forced to tell stupid lies about them breaching the 1st Russian line of defense and working successfully to break the 2nd... Total nonsense from regime sock puppets that are frightened about how their mighty offensive has foundered so catastrophically, and how any realistic prospect of beating Russia is finally dissipating like a rancid fart in a strong wind. They are starting to openly contemplate what life will be like for them in a Russian jail cell...

Pay no attention to the Baghdad Bob/Kiev Kyrylo on the idiot box. Desperate people do and say stupid things.

GarryB wrote:

After the US is weakened Russia will have to seize the opportunity to take back its pre 1990s borders and start the process of Russification in its reverted territories.

Russia has all the territory it needs... it would not benefit from having to fix all of the Ukraine and we know the west wont lift a finger or spend a euro or dollar to help as a charity... the only companies they helped in Russia in the 1990s were oil exploration companies...

With all due respect, thats is not really the point. It doesn't matter if Russia has no actual need of reclaiming traditional Russian territory. It's about denying the enemy access those territories, and preventing them from carrying out any more de-Russification activities as they have been doing in Ukraine since 1991.

Russia should take all of Ukraine, every last scrap. Arm and support the East Ukrainians post-war to govern (what is left of) Ukraine as a Russian Protectorate. Declare martial law. Impose zero tolerance for Ukrop nationalism, hunt them down wherever they may be. If they resist, kill them. If they don't, deport them. Level the Banderite shitholes like Lvov as an example of what happens to dumb fcks who choose to wake Big Momma Bear from her slumber. When the West howls like a busted-arse whore, just ignore them and calmy advise that what happens in liberated Ukraine is "none of your business". Serve it cold and with malice.

If Ukraine got through "first line of defense" (which I add is far away), then Rybar would have said it first.

While I admittedly rejoice at news that the Banderite trash have lost something like 400k KIA in the SMO, I expect that the bulk of those troops will be Russian speaking Ukrainians from those areas in the South and East that the regime still controls, with much lower number of troops from majority nationalist areas.  I can't help thinking that the readiness of the US and its Eurofaggot satraps to force Ukraines male population headfirst through the meat grinder as due to more than just their usual cold-bloodedness.  I can't avoid the suspicion that the bloodshed is planned.

My theory is that the globalists secretly want Ukrainian manpower to be ground into paste, especially in the East and South, in order to erase any potential for armed resistance once the long-planned globalist takeover suceeds and the foreign capital owners and special-interest groups come to totally dominate the country.  Corrupt elites like Little Zellie and their horde of public servant apparatchiks will be paid handsomely for their services to Global Capital, as will their new enforcer class of internal security forces, but the globalists want a war to grind up the pool of common man-in-the-street types who could conceiveably revolt when the full scope of the planned globalist heist become apparent to the general public.  

This does of course assume that the Collective West "wins" the war and retains control of Ukraine once hostilities cease, yet it is slowly dawning on these corrupt murderous bastards that they won't prevail.  Russia will win, and the Globalists will not only lose control, but they will be stripped of their ill-gotten gains and come away with nothing.  In the process of launching their agressive gambit, they exposed their hidden hand for all to see, not just the Russian elites (who now fully realise the depth of hatred that Western elites have for them) but also the Chinese and Indians, and the vast masses of the collective Global South.  Globalist greed and avarice will result in the breaking of Western hegemony and its institutions, a process we now see with the growth of BRICS with an additional 6 new members, as well as rapidly solidifying worldwide support for an alternative financial and trade system to divorce from the need for USD.

For those of us who hate the corrupt elites in the West (and who long to savour revenge for the many crimes of the West)  this is a good time to be alive.

sepheronx wrote:If Ukraine got through "first line of defense" (which I add is far away), then Rybar would have said it first.

They have changed the tactics for a while.
Now, they embarking squads outside the range of AT assets, spread them, and trying to sneak into the trenches.
In some cases they succeed in getting to the contact distance, so they can make a triumphant tik tok victories. Or even take some poor bastards POW in the process. In most of the cases, they are being pushed back, licking their wounds, and packing 200 into black bags.

There was an interesting thing emitted last week.
One of the volunteers who is collecting money and assets to help Ukrowehrmach, a well-known one, addressed a very important need.
Body bags.
There is not enough body bags, and he gets requests for them from every side and unit he meets.
13 000, remember

Bad kews for nato and ukraine. They use to monitor mig-31K take offs to know when it will be launched but now there are 140 su-34 that can be used without a warning to destroy nato command center in all ukraine.

100 billions at least... how many decades the Ukrainian people will have to work to their death to pay for the debt that the puppet regime create for the sake of the master in Wall Street ?

https://www.rt.com/russia/582316-ukraine-western-military-aid-reznikov/

Sacked Ukrainian defense minister reveals total value of Western military aid

Aleksey Reznikov has estimated the direct defense assistance to Kiev at $100 billion so far

Ukraine’s Western backers have given Kiev at least $100 billion worth of weapons – including more than $50 billion from the US alone – since Russia’s military operation in Ukraine began last February, Defense Minister Aleksey Reznikov said in his latest interview in which he defended the effectiveness of his ministry’s procurements.

His tenure as defense minister has been marred by multiple corruption scandals, primarily involving the procurement of equipment and foodstuffs for the country’s military at abnormally inflated prices.

Whatever value in weapons the West is giving Banderastan is dwarfed by the regular cash injections required to pay wages for government, public service and military personnel. Oh, and don't forget the obligatory payments for "respect"...

Big_Gazza wrote:While I admittedly rejoice at news that the Banderite trash have lost something like 400k KIA in the SMO, I expect that the bulk of those troops will be Russian speaking Ukrainians from those areas in the South and East that the regime still controls, with much lower number of troops from majority nationalist areas.  I can't help thinking that the readiness of the US and its Eurofaggot satraps to force Ukraines male population headfirst through the meat grinder as due to more than just their usual cold-bloodedness.  I can't avoid the suspicion that the bloodshed is planned.

My theory is that the globalists secretly want Ukrainian manpower to be ground into paste, especially in the East and South, in order to erase any potential for armed resistance once the long-planned globalist takeover suceeds and the foreign capital owners and special-interest groups come to totally dominate the country.  Corrupt elites like Little Zellie and their horde of public servant apparatchiks will be paid handsomely for their services to Global Capital, as will their new enforcer class of internal security forces, but the globalists want a war to grind up the pool of common man-in-the-street types who could conceiveably revolt when the full scope of the planned globalist heist become apparent to the general public.  

This does of course assume that the Collective West "wins" the war and retains control of Ukraine once hostilities cease, yet it is slowly dawning on these corrupt murderous bastards that they won't prevail.  Russia will win, and the Globalists will not only lose control, but they will be stripped of their ill-gotten gains and come away with nothing.  In the process of launching their agressive gambit, they exposed their hidden hand for all to see, not just the Russian elites (who now fully realise the depth of hatred that Western elites have for them) but also the Chinese and Indians, and the vast masses of the collective Global South.  Globalist greed and avarice will result in the breaking of Western hegemony and its institutions, a process we now see with the growth of BRICS with an additional 6 new members, as well as rapidly solidifying worldwide support for an alternative financial and trade system to divorce from the need for USD.

For those of us who hate the corrupt elites in the West (and who long to savour revenge for the many crimes of the West)  this is a good time to be alive.

There is no conspiracy about it, the goal of fighting to the last Ukrainian is quite open to see and with plenty of evidence for it.

Essentially all the propaganda about Russian lines breaking, Ukrainian coming victory, NATO uberweaponary, and everything else is designed to do one thing - keep Ukrainian morale up and keep sending men to inflict attrition against Russian forces - and it doesn't much matter at what cost to them themselves. 10,000 Russian women digging a trench for the Germans till they collapsed from exhaustion.. the German commander expressed interest only as far as to inquire whether the trench was finished by the end, or not. So too is the NATO attitude towards their Ukrainian lackeys.

Lindsey Graham even admitted that the goal was to fight to the last Ukrainian.

at least $100 billion worth of weapons

In 1990´s Dollar rate. To replace the weapons the west will have to spend a trillion. Maybe even more. 

They aint worth shit

They should have to pay Russia for getting rid of that scrap

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Is that the infamous "Boneface" who, in a Telegram interview, admitted that there were indeed a lot of Nazi in Ukraina but claimed that the Nazi would let a second "revolution" against both Zelenski and Russia ?

Seems like the Western Nazi and imperialists are not as united as they want other people to believe in, which is a good thing.

PhSt wrote:I wish Russia goes beyond the usual protocol and use the same malevolent methods used by NATO to cause mischief and misery among NATO countries particularly the US. Perhaps blow up a chemical plant or even a nuclear plant in continental US which would cause a massive humanitarian catastrophe or even better a sophisticated attack on the US economy that will hasten up its economic collapse.

After the US is weakened Russia will have to seize the opportunity to take back its pre 1990s borders and start the process of Russification in its reverted territories.

I think the malevolent methods used by NATO will ultimately lead to the downfall of NATO. Evil corrupt systems have the tendency to destroy themselves. Just like the corrupt Soviet Union destroyed itself, and all the US had to do was wait until they collapsed. Now NATO is destroying itself and all Russia has to do is wait.
If time is running against NATO, then Russia does not need to conduct risky operations that may backfire in a terrible way. Putin knows this probably very well, so thankfully he is acting cautiously.

Pro-Russian hackers hacked the database of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Latvia

Pro-Russian hackers hacked more than a hundred Polish and Baltic resources

Hackers report that they disabled 127 information resources of Poland and the Baltic countries , instead of them a manifesto was posted: "The war is over only when the last Nazi is destroyed."

This is the first time in the history of the Internet that so many hacker groups are working together, the statement said.
The hackers promised to actively continue attacks in support of the special operation.

https://ria.ru/20230904/khakery-1894006056.html


Looks like counteroffensive but not Ukrainian one

caveat emptor wrote:Interesting find by Viktor Murakhovsky

https://t.me/Viktor_Murakhovskiy/507?single

New rocket?

The picture shows a T-90M tank firing in the Seversky direction.  The second picture shows a frame from the commander's video viewing device.

The fire is conducted by a guided missile (letter "U", marked), its tracer is visible above the aiming line (marked), at a distance of 6830 meters (marked).  It is known that the missile "Invar-M" has a range of 5000 meters.

nope that's the existing missile

TASS learned that the Su-34 first used the "Dagger" in Ukraine

TASS: Su-34 used the "Dagger" for the first time during a special operation in Ukraine

Подробнее на РБК:
https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/64f531fa9a7947104a85884c

flamming_python wrote:
There is no conspiracy about it, the goal of fighting to the last Ukrainian is quite open to see and with plenty of evidence for it.

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Lindsey Graham even admitted that the goal was to fight to the last Ukrainian.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/10/poland-president-duda-ukraine-interview/

“It is very simple,” Polish President Andrzej Duda told me last week. “Right now, Russian imperialism can be stopped cheaply, because American soldiers are not dying.” But if we don’t put a halt to Russian aggression now, “there will be a very high price to be paid.”

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
Who are those ethnic Ukrainians in power in Poland? Kaczyński? Morawiecki?

Ukrainians ? meh they dont seem to be goyim

Jokes aside, Kwasniewski was born&breed in Bialogard.
It is an enclave where thousands of Vistula Plan Ukrainians were settled.
As digging into biographies to find mystical creatures is not my hobby, the Ukrainians obviously surrounded him for his entire life.
That would lighten his actions since the 00s ended up in Burisma board.

They should have to pay Russia for getting rid of that scrap

Looking at the LNG procurement by EU states that is exactly what they are doing. 

Big_Gazza wrote:While I admittedly rejoice at news that the Banderite trash have lost something like 400k KIA in the SMO, I expect that the bulk of those troops will be Russian speaking Ukrainians from those areas in the South and East that the regime still controls, with much lower number of troops from majority nationalist areas....

Again, those Russian speaking Ukrainians are still Ukrainians first and foremost and had no issues jumping up and down with Nazis

It's irrelevant where exactly fodder comes from, they are all nothing more than Ukrainians

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:

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The ethnic Ukrainians have been infiltrating the Polish power structures for decades, and they have been undermining the ethnic Poles at every turn.

Now they are openly singing the UPA anthem in Warsaw, which has been practically turned into their power base (only 8% of people in Warsaw could be described as natives of that city).

It is a matter of time before they openly turn on Poland in a massive way.

Who are those ethnic Ukrainians in power in Poland? Kaczyński? Morawiecki?

Your opinion is very weird. I've never seen anyone claiming what you claim about Ukrainian influence in Poland?

Schetyna, Duda, Budka, Kowal, Tyma, Szenyszyn, Zaryn, Pogoda.


Only some surnames, this list is very incomplete.


It is known that Kaczynski has recent ancestors born in Ukraine.

Extremely short sighted and frankly ignorant statement. Nukes most assuredly matter.

The west is only behaving as it has because Russia has nukes. If it didnt things would be oh so very different. The west is pushing as brazenly as it can to cause mischief. Thry will continue to until Putin is gone or they are gone from power. Things are not good at all. The neocons cannot win. Because if they can regime change Russia they can do it to all other nations on earth.

The US has wanted and talked about attacking Iran since 2004. And hasn't. And even allowed Iran to shoot at a US base in Iraq. And Iran has no nukes.

Russia has more nukes than all other countries combined. Attack Russia ? No problem. Take Crimea for Nato ? No problem. They are working on it as we speak