Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

Unlike EU that is hoping that Russia can be defeated, the US seems to be quite satisfied with the current status quo - which is to keep Russia bogged down in Ukraine as they ratchet up their partnership with China.

The EU and Ukraine are the two biggest losers here and the US and China are the two biggest gainers.

Sujoy wrote:

The EU and Ukraine are the two biggest losers here and the US and China are the two biggest gainers.

any outcome when Russia India or China gain is failure for the USA having now absolute hegemony.

Blackman wrote " The US has wanted and talked about attacking Iran since 2004. And hasn't. And even allowed Iran to shoot at a US base in Iraq. And Iran has no nukes. Russia has more nukes than all other countries combined. Attack Russia ? No problem. Take Crimea for Nato ? No problem. They are working on it as we speak . " The USA waits for an opportune moment to attack weak ( relatively speaking ) unfriendly nations , not in their sphere of influence , for regime change ! Biden even said recently " ..we should free the Iranian nation ! " This was at the height of the Mahsa Amini protests . When the country was in turmoil . But if Iran had Nukes , then he dare not have " freed" Iranians by democracy bombs , even during a turmoil . And they have attacked Iran since 2004 , by sanctions and sabotage many times , even stealing oil Tankers on the open Sea ! What has stopped them from full scale war , is first the unity of Iranians to defend country , and second the closeness to oil fields in ME . All the oil will go up in smoke , and Europe and China will collapse . In case of Russia , even if there is turmoil or collapse of central government , the USA will dare not attack it , not so much because of Russian oil , since that will be going to China , and is a less serious threat to European / American capital investment there . But because they will be Nuked ! So highly unlikely that USA will ever attack Russia . For now Russian oil , keeps China close , even if USA tries to put pressure . Iran needs Nukes to ensure there is no invasion . Everyone needs Nukes , not just the few .

GunshipDemocracy wrote:any outcome when Russia India or China gain is failure for the USA having now absolute hegemony.

Russia and India, not China.

China is the biggest ally of US and UK. Kissinger's recent meeting with Xi, Chalie Munger's recent outburst against India and support for China are clear indications of who the west considers to be their ally.

Sujoy wrote:
Russia and India, not China.

China is the biggest ally of US and UK. Kissinger's recent meeting with Xi, Chalie Munger's recent outburst against India and support for China are clear indications of who the west considers to be their ally.

China is US/UK ally ?ekhm, there is no love in the world of geopolitics. Kissinger is an old fart short before dying. His sponsors probably want to have china set against India or Russia but there are no 2 first places in the world...Welcome to the multipolar world

That's a pretty radical take Sujoy

Kissinger only went to China in the hopes of a deal to divide Russia between them. But why would China want that. They already have their pick of Russian resources and in Russia a valuable battering ram against the West. They gave their old lizard friend a courteous reception, listened him out and bid him on his way

In reality, the US's main target is exactly who they say it is - China.
And they're busy kissing Modi's ass and whispering temptations into his ear in the hopes of turning the two Asian giants against each other while they relax same as what they accomplished with the Sino-Soviet split.
Not to say India doesn't have legitimate gripes with China and China isn't acting retarded. Because they do and it is. But none of this will benefit either side in the long run

flamming_python wrote:But why would China want that. They already have their pick of Russian resources and in Russia a valuable battering ram against the West

China released its latest map last week where it shows Russia's Bolshoy Ussuriysky region as part of Chinese territory. They generally do this with their foes like India, Taiwan.

flamming_python wrote:And they're busy kissing Modi's ass and whispering temptations into his ear in the hopes of turning the two Asian giants against each other while they relax same as what they accomplished with the Sino-Soviet split.

They don't need to. As I've mentioned on this forum in the past as well...Modi is a CIA agent.

Yet in 2020, the US got China to invade India and not the other way round.

Surovikin showed up:

https://t.me/milinfolive/105984

Army General Sergei Surovikin during a walk in Moscow today with his wife

After the rebellion of Yevgeny Prigozhin, Surovikin was removed from the post of commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces and little was known about his fate.

Military Informant

Apparently, his cousin is a member of SBU in Kharkov.

https://t.me/rybar/51502

Yesterday, the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine has somewhat clarified the situation with the Russian Mi-8 helicopter that went missing in August, by posting new footage of the aircraft and an interview with one of the pilots.  In the video, he claims that he was recruited by the Ukrainian special services and escaped.

The appearance of these materials is already a more serious argument in favor of the fact that it was precisely a planned action, and not a forced landing on enemy territory.  The fate of the other two crew members remains unknown: this suggests that they were either killed, or they knew nothing about what was happening and were captured.

In statements, the GUR claimed that before that they managed to “secretly withdraw” from Russia the relatives of the pilot shown in the interview.  But he didn’t have a family: he didn’t have a wife and children, his grandfather died, and there was no father at all.  Of his close relatives, he has only his mother, who, according to some reports, does not live in Russia, so “evacuating” her would not have been difficult.

From a technical point of view, the Mi-8 is of no particular interest to the Armed Forces of Ukraine - the aircraft is not much different from the US-supplied "Afghan" Mi-17V-5.  They will not be able to decipher the codes of the “friend or foe” equipment (if they have not been erased at all), and it is hardly possible to find anything new against the background of the Ka-52 inherited from Gostomel by the Americans in the spring of 2022.

As for the person involved in the interview, if no new facts appear that refute his work for the GUR and prove that he made all the statements under pressure, then he can be considered a defector and a traitor.

Well, what they do with such - does not need a separate comment.
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Russian Ministry of Defense's Update on the Progress of the Special Military Operation (as of September 4, 2023)

Part 1 (see Part 2 below)

Last night, aircraft from the naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet destroyed 4 high-speed military boats of US production, Willard Sea Force, with special operations forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces onboard. This operation took place in the northwestern part of the Black Sea.

Additionally, drone strikes targeted a shipbuilding facility in Ukraine where unmanned boats were being assembled from imported components.

On the Donetsk front, units of the "Southern" group of forces, utilizing airstrikes, artillery fire, and heavy flamethrower systems, repelled three attacks by strike groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near the populated areas of Artemovsk and Northern Donetsk People's Republic.

During these battles, the enemy suffered losses of up to 285 Ukrainian servicemen killed or wounded, along with the destruction of five combat armored vehicles, seven vehicles, self-propelled artillery units including the US-made M109 "Paladin" and "Gvozdika," as well as two US-made M105 howitzers.

On the Zaporizhzhia front, Russian troop units, with the support of aviation, artillery, and heavy flamethrower systems, conducted active operations to improve their tactical positions in the vicinity of the populated areas of Rabotyne and Verbivne in the Zaporizhzhia region. They also repelled a counterattack by the assault detachment of the 82nd Airborne Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The enemy's losses amounted to more than 115 Ukrainian servicemen, two combat armored vehicles, four vehicles, two artillery systems of the US-made M777 and "Paladin," as well as two US-made M105 howitzers, two D-30 howitzers, and one D-20 howitzer.

On the Kupiansk front, units of the Western group of forces, with the support of aviation and artillery fire, thwarted four counterattacks by the strike groups of the 32nd and 43rd mechanized brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces north of the populated area of Sverdlovka in the Luhansk People's Republic. Additionally, the Ukrainian forces suffered losses in personnel and equipment near the populated areas of Vyshche Solyone, Ivanivka, Tymkivka, Synkivka in the Kharkiv region, and Novoselivka in the Luhansk People's Republic.

Over the course of the day, up to 60 Ukrainian servicemen were eliminated on this front, along with three vehicles and a self-propelled artillery installation of Polish origin, the "Krab."

On the Krasnyi Liman front, units of the "Center" group of forces, in coordination with aviation and artillery, inflicted damage on the concentrations of personnel and equipment of the 63rd, 67th mechanized brigades, and the 12th special-purpose brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the areas near the populated areas of Yamolovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, Chervona Dybrova in the Luhansk People's Republic, and Serebrianske Forest.

Approximately 40 Ukrainian servicemen, three pickup trucks, an M777 artillery system of US production, as well as an Msta-B howitzer, were destroyed.

On the South Donetsk front, units of the "East" group of forces, with the support of aviation, artillery fire, and heavy flamethrower systems, inflicted damage on units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the areas near the populated areas of Novomykhailivka and Urozhainoe in the Donetsk People's Republic.

The enemy's losses exceeded 120 Ukrainian servicemen, two combat armored vehicles, and nine vehicles.

Additionally, in the vicinity of the populated area of Novomykhailivka in the Donetsk People's Republic, a depot of ammunition from the 79th Air Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was destroyed.

On the Kherson front, due to comprehensive fire damage inflicted on the enemy, more than 35 Ukrainian servicemen, eight vehicles, a US-made M777 artillery system, and an "Msta-B" howitzer were destroyed.

Near the populated area of Poyatovka in the Kherson region, a depot of ammunition from the 124th Territorial Defense Brigade was also destroyed.

A total of 126 locations witnessed Russian Armed Forces' successful operations involving tactical and army aviation, missile forces, artillery, leading to the damage of enemy personnel and equipment.

Additionally, two depots of rocket and artillery weapons belonging to the 118th Mechanized Brigade and the 82nd Airborne Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the vicinity of the populated area of Verkhnia Tersa in the Zaporizhzhia region were successfully targeted.

A Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopter from the Ukrainian Air Force was downed by Russian Aerospace Forces fighter aircraft in the vicinity of the populated area of Brusivka in the Donetsk People's Republic.

Three HIMARS multiple launch rocket system missiles were intercepted by anti-aircraft defense systems.

Furthermore, 24 Ukrainian drones were destroyed or neutralized using electronic warfare means in the areas near the populated areas of Volcheyarivka, Shpylovka in the Luhansk People's Republic, Berestove, Vodyane, Spornoye in the Donetsk People's Republic, Skelevatoye, Pshenychnoye, Ocheretovatoye in the Zaporizhzhia region, and Proletarka in the Kherson region.

Since the commencement of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 467 aircraft, 248 helicopters, 6376 drones, 435 anti-aircraft missile systems, 11643 tanks and other combat armored vehicles, 1147 rocket artillery systems, 6214 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 12694 units of specialized military vehicles.

Russian Ministry of Defense
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JohninMK wrote: On the Donetsk front, units of the "Southern" group of forces, utilizing airstrikes, artillery fire, and heavy flamethrower systems, repelled three attacks by strike groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near the populated areas of Artemovsk and Northern Donetsk People's Republic.

During these battles, the enemy suffered losses of up to 285 Ukrainian servicemen killed or wounded, along with the destruction of five combat armored vehicles, seven vehicles, self-propelled artillery units including the US-made M109 "Paladin" and "Gvozdika," as well as two US-made M105 howitzers.

On the Zaporizhzhia front, Russian troop units, with the support of aviation, artillery, and heavy flamethrower systems, conducted active operations to improve their tactical positions in the vicinity of the populated areas of Rabotyne and Verbivne in the Zaporizhzhia region. They also repelled a counterattack by the assault detachment of the 82nd Airborne Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The enemy's losses amounted to more than 115 Ukrainian servicemen, two combat armored vehicles, four vehicles, two artillery systems of the US-made M777 and "Paladin," as well as two US-made M105 howitzers, two D-30 howitzers, and one D-20 howitzer.

They seriously using M105 howitzers

5 paragraphs from Rybar and i know less about the situation than i did before

flamming_python wrote:They aint worth shit

They should have to pay Russia for getting rid of that scrap

I am sure plenty of metal will be getting melted in liberated steel plants after the war, all metal supplied by the west of course

d_taddei2 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:They aint worth shit

They should have to pay Russia for getting rid of that scrap

I am sure plenty of metal will be getting melted in liberated steel plants after the war, all metal supplied by the west of course

And there will be more valuable uses for that metal than a new cathedral I trust

But it cost a lot of our own money to scrap and breakdown that material, not to mention the lives lost in the process. Junk all the same.

That cathedral is damn beautiful. I am endeared to you guys but damn are you a lot of godless bastards.

flamming_python wrote:That's a pretty radical take Sujoy

Kissinger only went to China in the hopes of a deal to divide Russia between them. But why would China want that. They already have their pick of Russian resources and in Russia a valuable battering ram against the West. They gave their old lizard friend a courteous reception, listened him out and bid him on his way

In reality, the US's main target is exactly who they say it is - China.
And they're busy kissing Modi's ass and whispering temptations into his ear in the hopes of turning the two Asian giants against each other while they relax same as what they accomplished with the Sino-Soviet split.
Not to say India doesn't have legitimate gripes with China and China isn't acting retarded. Because they do and it is. But none of this will benefit either side in the long run

The problem with India is how they treat foreign companies, they have 4 massive conglomerates, the biggest being the Tata group, if one of the conglomerates want to buy the business and the business refuses to sell like Wistron did when Tata tried to buy them, Tata paid off the workers to go on strike, vandalise the factory and set parts of it on fire (Wistron is a partner of Foxconn) eventually Wistron agreed to sell it's Indian business to Tata and pulled out of India, Tata then targeted Foxconn and the same things happened at the Foxconn factory, but instead of selling to Tata, Foxconn pulled out of India all together, Tata wanted a piece of the "Apple" pie in it's Indian operations without there main supplier Foxconn, Apple is supposedly quitting India citing productivity issues, this year alone more than 1200 businesses have left India, citing corruption and fines by the Indian government crippling there operations, take Xiaomi as a prime example India claimed that Xiaomi was falsifying there figures and India fined Xiaomi more than 10 years worth of profits, Xiaomi has been hit with several big fines from the Indian government and they ware not alone, India is a potentially huge market, but it's very corrupt, in the 10 years of operating in India Xiaomi has made a big loss due to the fines

Apparently the first Challenger 2 destroyed near Rabotino

The efforts of the British MoD to protect their muhInvinCible Challenger II have long gotten to the point where this farcical episode will do more damage to the tank's reputation, than whatever footage of it actually being wrecked

First of all, customers will note the lack of confidence of its own manufacturers in the machine. Secondly, who the hell will want it if its going to come with 1001 restrictions related to how it can be used?

Will be a sore blow to many if true. Heard about the article touting the "sniper" qualities of the chally.

I also heard of a new variant being developed. Touting the specifications listed below:

Dorchester mark 5 armor made of ununpentium carbide sheets orthogonally stacked with stabilized electron degenerate matter. The new rifled 155mm tank cannon can yeet an unbelievably long 300mm fin discarded sabot shot at an approximate speed of 1300 m/s. Also accompanied by quantum hesh rounds which cause a temporal shift in spacetime which causes spalling to even the most advanced armors. The engine is brand new and puts out an unheard of 1500 horsepower. Truly the deadliest tank of our times. And yeah it boils water too.

higurashihougi wrote:Any information expert check if the Challengers have been challenged in Ukraine ?

but but fuc:censored: experts already have spoken :

British-made tanks are about to sweep Putin’s conscripts aside

As a former tank commander, I know the Challenger 2 vastly outmatches what’s left of Russia’s armour
s a former tank commander, I can say one thing for certain: Putin’s demoralised conscripts are utterly unprepared for the shock action now hitting their lines. Ukrainian armoured formations are beginning to meet Russian forces in battle, and they are going to pulverise Russia’s defensive lines. I am confident for one simple reason: Ukraine will follow the Western ideology of manoeuvre warfare in a combined arms context, while the Russians will follow Soviet doctrine, relying on attrition and numbers. The Russians will find that the armour of Western tanks is far more resilient than flesh and bone, they will die in great numbers, and they will lose.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/09/british-made-tanks-about-to-sweep-putins-conscripts-aside/

woow virtually Russians lost right?

TMA1 wrote:

Dorchester mark 5 armor made of ununpentium carbide sheets orthogonally stacked with stabilized electron degenerate matter.

nope made of Vibranium from Zamunda

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Any information expert check if the Challengers have been challenged in Ukraine ?

but but  fuc:censored:   experts already have spoken :

British-made tanks are about to sweep Putin’s conscripts aside

As a former tank commander, I know the Challenger 2 vastly outmatches what’s left of Russia’s armour
s a former tank commander, I can say one thing for certain: Putin’s demoralised conscripts are utterly unprepared for the shock action now hitting their lines. Ukrainian armoured formations are beginning to meet Russian forces in battle, and they are going to pulverise Russia’s defensive lines. I am confident for one simple reason: Ukraine will follow the Western ideology of manoeuvre warfare in a combined arms context, while the Russians will follow Soviet doctrine, relying on attrition and numbers. The Russians will find that the armour of Western tanks is far more resilient than flesh and bone, they will die in great numbers, and they will lose.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/09/british-made-tanks-about-to-sweep-putins-conscripts-aside/

woow virtually Russians lost right?  

Man what a find

And what absolute retards