Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

Liberating Ukraine ? Russians liberating Ukraine ? Sounds fine , but is Russia an instrument to liberate Ukraine ? Can they do it ? The Russians are not fighting to save own villages and towns . They are fighting a long way from home . They are liberating someone elses' land . But the war against Russia is an existential one , is it not ? But people do not see it that way at all . Pipeline blown up ? Well I did not hear the explosion ! Grain not exported ? Well it was not my farm ! Russian speaking pregnant woman hung from a Tree ? Well it was not my wife ! So in their mind , they think , they are fighting a platonic war . Individuals , who are more aware and sensitive , do know the importance of winning this war . But society lags behind . The collective mind of society , or country always lags behind , or understands the bare minimum of the bare bones of the problem , like an Amoeba . Therefore they do not push the politicians to take firm action . They will not give the mandate . They will not tell their sons to go sacrifice their lives !

billybatts91 wrote:Putin needs to resign asap…He’s a failure in every sense of the word.

This is exactly what these nuisance raids are all about.

NATO's goals are heavily reliant on this kind of exhacerbated nationalistic pride. No wonder why Wagner was muzzled so promptly.

nomadski wrote:Liberating Ukraine ? Russians liberating Ukraine ? Sounds fine , but is Russia an instrument to liberate Ukraine ? Can they do it ? The Russians are not fighting to save own villages and towns . They are fighting a long way from home . They are liberating someone elses' land . But the war against Russia is an existential one , is it not ? But people do not see it that way at all . Pipeline blown up ? Well I did not hear the explosion ! Grain not exported ? Well it was not my farm ! Russian speaking pregnant woman hung from a Tree ? Well it was not my wife ! So in their mind , they think , they are fighting a platonic war . Individuals , who are more aware and sensitive , do know the importance of winning this war . But society lags behind . The collective mind of society , or country always lags behind , or understands the bare minimum of the bare bones of the problem , like an Amoeba . Therefore they do not push the politicians to take firm action . They will not give the mandate . They will not tell their sons to go sacrifice their lives !

Not to attribute 3D chess moves to the man, but some of the Kremlin people do understand that Russian psyche needs to feel a bit of pain in order for them to react, as experienced with the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings.

The shock therapy of sanctions is actually a beneficial tool for the Russian economy, Putin might want this same therapy applied to the military and civilian mindsets so they understand how existential this war is. Otherwise Russian Federation will never find the willpower to get this over with.

@Lapain
So, nothing serious will happen until Ukrainians enact some sort of Texas chainsaw massacre on Russian civilians?

Nobody is asking for the start of tactical nuclear strikes, just to make Ukraine nonfunctional as a state. Right now, every few weeks someone from the West comes to visit Kiev, like it is a fucking sightseeing tour and not war.

Yet another lame propaganda video from Russia.
But seriously, what's the point of creating such a video?Ukrops aren't innocent children. They know exactly why they're in this situation. Have they ever protested against the shelling in Donbass for the past eight years?

It's frustrating to see how fixated the Russkies are on preserving the worthless lives of those khokhols.

I am pretty sure that the drones against Pskov came from Estonia and/or Latvia.

The ones that flew from Ukrainian territory last night were all intercepted, and Russian authorities detailed it all. They have learned from past mistakes. But the odd Pskov ones were apparently something else, no official statements yet.

Pretty sure there are high level "de-escalation" talks going on right now. Baltic chihuahuas went a tad too far even for NATOs taste, is my guess.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
Pretty sure there are high level "de-escalation" talks going on right now. Baltic chihuahuas went a tad too far even for NATOs taste, is my guess.

There better not be. Putin cannot afford not to retaliate politically. I am seeing lots of rage and dooming from Russians on the telegram channels

Russkie sucker TG stars are doing a routine sucker things?
Call me surprised

Are you going to open all the cages, and let all the chimps out, or there is some break-event point to this craziness?

Not saying they did it, if they indeed came from that direction. But complacent they are.

The regular retaliatory strikes in Kiev and other Ukrainian cities don't seem to do much pain and suffering on part of the Ukrainian canon fodders. I propose to quadruple these strikes and attack more critical infrastructure targets like power plants, food storage, water facilities and support structures that keep their hospitals going. If attacking hospitals is still beyond Russia's political decision makers then at least destroy facilities that support their operation. Ukraine needs to have a severe food shortage crisis and a massive famine. This is the only way to speed up their extermination.

As for Estonia, my demand still stands, the Russian leadership needs to erase Estonia and liberate it afterwards to expand Russia's territories to the west. Russia needs to enshrine in its constitution the right of Russia to expand and that Russia's expansion to NATO territory is Non-negotiable

... and if he was in a wheelchair and too blind to spot a soldier size target - mechanized anti tank unit

If he was 101 and not in a wheelchair but couldn't manage stairs on his own and had dementia... then he would be US president...

The goal of the video is to reduce resources. If you shoot those surrendering then you are in for a long slog fighting them to the death. Much longer, more expensive and more Russian KIA.

Russia shouldn't shoot Orcs trying to surrender, but the problem of Orcs shooting Orcs that surrender remains a problem for Orcs to solve before they can surrender.

Taking out their own snipers and HQs could be the first part of the surrender plan.

U.S. congress officially gave consent in September of 2022 to provide Poland with $288.6 million to purchase U.S.-made armaments, but I am not sure if the money was ever really given.

Hahaha... US charity... with that money you will have to buy 5 billion dollars worth of F-35s which will likely cost 100K per flight hour in operational costs... they are real generous like that... or it will be worn out Huey UH-1 helicopters or by now worn out Blackhawk helicopters as they introduce their own replacements and want to do something with old stocks of old aircraft... and you will pay brand new prices for old stocks of support equipment... made 40 years ago.

Russia is a stronger nation, it’s supposed to be smashing these Nazis even more than what they are doing as of now.

How strong would it be if it changed governments every time something bad happened?

Would really be encouraging the west to perform some sort of attack if they knew a change of government would result... until Russia got some leader who liked US dollars and wanted to retire in the west after his time in office and started accepting bribes.

Russia and Putin are an embarassnent. Laughingstock of the world. Now even tiny Estonia is brave enough to attack Russia. They know Putin will do nothing in retaliation.

Estonia is a tiny little shit hole whose one claim to fame was a link between Russia and Europe... well when relations between those two stop what role does the entire Baltic have exactly?

Hick town, middle of nowhere...

As for the way the war is fought by Russia, there's nothing to say, except that their actions are mostly reactive in nature.

No shit. The alternative is to provide every square centimetre of Russian territory the level of protection a front line Russian armoured unit force receives which is only going to mean you will need a 40 million man army and the next 40 years building up the air defences to cover every damn square centimetre or turf.

That is just so juvenile and childish... show me a strategist who plays chess whose primary goal is to not lose a single piece off the board... how the **** could you even play the game if that is your focus?

The Nazis have millions of targets and trying to defend them all with adequate forces is impossible because such forces don't exist... not just that but those nazis have US nazis and UK nazis and German Nazis and French nazis and dutch nazis and all the other HATO nazis helping them, looking for gaps in radar coverage and places where defence is weaker to sneak things through... and their greatest hope is for the opposition to think Putin should go... they have been trying to get rid of him for 20 years...

Learn the game before you suggest important moves like decapitating your own damn forces.

So, nothing serious will happen until Ukrainians enact some sort of Texas chainsaw massacre on Russian civilians?

More like the Russian military is not going to go texas chainsaw massacre on the Ukraine unless these terrorist attacks continue and become rather more successful.

Nobody is asking for the start of tactical nuclear strikes, just to make Ukraine nonfunctional as a state. Right now, every few weeks someone from the West comes to visit Kiev, like it is a fucking sightseeing tour and not war.

I keep saying the best thing the Russians can do is a Dagger strike on the US embassy.... there are thousands of people working there... that has been the Ukrainian government since the coup that put the US in charge of the country... taking that out would deal a serious blow to Kiev and lead a lot of Americans to wonder why they had so many people there if they are saying this isn't their war...

Yet another lame propaganda video from Russia.
But seriously, what's the point of creating such a video?Ukrops aren't innocent children. They know exactly why they're in this situation. Have they ever protested against the shelling in Donbass for the past eight years?

There are plenty of Ukrainians in the west and in the Ukraine on the run trying to avoid conscription and this video is aimed directly at them and should cause panic because by the time they are at the front line their chances of being able to surrender are pretty low because their own officers are likely to shoot them for this.

If they think they are going to certain death then it is worth taking a few recruiters with them when they are found.

It's frustrating to see how fixated the Russkies are on preserving the worthless lives of those khokhols.

The maths show this ends when they surrender... it is simply not practical or sensible to expect to kill them all.

The Americans were in Vietnam for 10 odd years and had no respect at all for the locals on any side and killed as many as they could... and they didn't kill more than 3 or 4 million and that included loading up strategic bombers and bombing enormous tracts of land with more bombs than were dropped during WWII... and they still lost.

Even Israel is essentially underseige and no where near "winning" despite the number they kill and stealing land etc etc they are not even close to peace.

Being a nazi does not work... 30 million dead Soviets and they still lost.

Pretty sure there are high level "de-escalation" talks going on right now. Baltic chihuahuas went a tad too far even for NATOs taste, is my guess.

Time for some colour revolutions in those countries perhaps?

Just because it's a stronger nation, it doesn't mean it won't take losses. If you think so, you are completely delusional about what war actually is. What it is, is two large groups of people in a constant struggle and arms race to outsmart and kill each other. You will sometimes be outsmarted, tricked, hit in a weak-spot no matter how well you do. The enemy is always resourceful, they will find ways around problems and if you slip up you will pay for it. And slipping up is inevitable in as large an organization as a military bureaucracy.

Winston Churcill said War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.

Meaning if you fall to pieces at every set back or every enemy victory no matter how small or insignficant then you are not fit to direct or lead a war...

Not saying they did it, if they indeed came from that direction. But complacent they are.

Do you mean complacent, or do you mean complicit?

This was coming for months ago.
This month alone Ukraine was stepping up drone attacks considerably - they were daily last few weeks.

So basically big parts of Russia are now not fully secure and in next few months we can expect that Ukraine will have bigger UAV arsenal as well as production rate. Their strategy is clear and is working since now Russia has not so nice decision to make - to put more equipment and people for air defense on its large surface or to direct more people to fight in Ukraine on front lines?

Drones are proving to be very good asymmetrical weapons of choice - they do allow Ukraine to punch back far and do things that previously only countries with long range expensive and complex weapons could do.

The main error was that Russia rushed itself into the war that can not be won. It also does not have de-escalation plan, or any plan B expect to hit back and increase the fight - this means Russian position and options are very limited and that is of course not good thing.

As per Ukraine - they want to have yearly production between 100k-200k of attack drones. This will come perhaps in 1-2 years if war is not stopped before that... but the thing is Russian cities will be hit more and more not only Ukrainian ones. It is one more area where Ukraine upped the game and closed gap it had originally vis a vis Russia.

Just to add also there was New York Times article about losses so far in the war, they said on Russian side is almost 300k people and on Ukrainian almost 200k - those numbers are disaster for both sides if true...

If he was 101 and not in a wheelchair but couldn't manage stairs on his own and had dementia... then he would be US president...

They know Putin will do nothing in retaliation.

Sure. That´s why we are closing in on 500.000 dead Ukro fighters. 
The last word is most important. Fighters. Not civilians as usual in western led wars.

New York Times article 

Great source for all stuff relating to Russia. 
(Sarcasm mode out)

mr_hd wrote:Just to add also there was New York Times article about losses so far in the war, they said on Russian side is almost 300k people and on Ukrainian almost 200k - those numbers are disaster for both sides if true...

Source: It was revealed to us in dream.
True losses will be offcourse known after the war is over, but 300k for Ru is waaay improbable.

Hole wrote:
Sure. That´s why we are closing in on 500.000 dead Ukro fighters. 
The last word is most important. Fighters. Not civilians as usual in western led wars.

That night the heaviest missile strikes on Kiev, since Spring when Surovikin ordered to switch off the light out there
Sure that this trade-off is very profitable for Ukrs, no doubts about

By the way, I have missed that and Neapolitano addressed the issue only yesterday. There was some remembrance event carried by Ukrs, when they released the balloons into the air to commemorate the fallen.
And seems that they have accidentally made a day.
There were 400k balloons supposedly released.

Maybe we are not closing the 500k yet, but firmly passed the 400k line and steaming ahead.

Well there is a lot of merit in what you suggest... looking at the histories of some users who only pop up when the nazis manage to fluke a minor victory so they pop up to blow smoke up our arses and tell us the sky is falling and that Kiev is going to definitely win and Russia is doomed.

The irony is that if we believe them then Russia is doomed and if it is doomed then it might as well take the Ukraine apart piece by piece because the more messed up it is the more likely the US and EU and west in general will just walk away when the fighting officially stops and call it a victory.

I personally think Russia should bomb the US embassy in Kiev and level the place... during work time when the maximum number of workers are at work... you can't tell me that the thousands of people working at the US embassy are all diplomats.... they are essentially running the country... so hitting them and then start targeting everything that communicates with HATO platforms and sources... and then start hitting infrastructure... grain storage and transport is probably 90% weapons and fuel and ammo and aircraft and armour, so eliminating that would make a real difference on the battlefield.

Serious attempts to take out food and water and transport across the entire country will start the depopulation process and also radically reduce the draft pool they have... if Kiev wants to step things up then perhaps Russia should do the same...

Russia has spent two decades being nice to the Ukraine and the west and what did it get out of that good will?

If Russians are evil and mean perhaps it is time to start getting mean and nasty in some regard and we will see how long the west likes being right.

Back to the topic... there are dozens of unused usernames that have been dormant for years... one just popped up recently with a member who joined in 2018 and made their first post in this thread just recently.

The thing about banning these idiots is that someone steps up and replaces them.

If you think banning is the solution and we will end up with no alternative voices.

Garry, I'm getting tired of the obvious "nationalists" (glown******) posting obvious demoralization posts timed with PR attacks like we have just witnessed. If you do not think even smallish sites like this are not targeted you are a naive boomer.

Their influence is next to zero on this forum because they can't have people who oppose their narrative banned like they can on forums with anti Russian views.

So they sit and fester till their arse masters activate them with some cowardly attack that surprised even themselves... but really it is all hardly fatal.