Russian special military operation in Ukraine #49

So, so, you were talking about a Lancet hitting MiG-29, huh?

let me guess it was Lancet but Izdelye 54 not 53. As seen on TV , at least Russia 1

ALAMO wrote:
Lasted for some 5+ years, but they obviously dug deeper.
We need a bigger missiles.

Sarmat?

ALAMO wrote:
Yet they still lie about that, because if they did any investigation, it is obvious clear that it was not a Buk system missile, but HARM.
The registered explosion patterns, fragments size, and the picture of the missile reflecting in the roof of the parked cars leave no doubts about that.
But Murican Wunderwaffe does not fail!

but they cannot let people to associate US wunderwaffle with death of civilians. (Iraq/Libya doenst count )
Tht's why it had to be something Soviet origin.

higurashihougi wrote:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/19/ukraine-germany-leopard-tanks-rejection-russia-war/

Kyiv rejected a delivery of Leopard tanks from Germany after discovering that they were defective.  ...

They should have rejected them for being Leopard 1s

higurashihougi wrote:...The German-made, 1980s-vintage Leopard 1A5 with its precise day-night optics and stabilized 105-millimeter main gun is an excellent long-range shooter—and highly mobile.

MRAPs beware!!!

This calls for more intensive Combat Air Patrol over Black Sea, particularly with Su-35 or MiG-31's.

They were flying under 1000 feet off the ground. These are suicide missions. Sending su 35's after them isn't the answer. A plane flying that low could be taken out with manpads, Tor or a Pantsir.

This is exactly what they are going to use F-16's for.

Once again, these are American and British attacks on Russia's Black sea fleet. If Ukraine was left to its own devices, none of this would be happening.  

These super secret attacks on underground SBU centers doesn't cut it. Govt buildings need to burn. Russia's missile attacks and air attacks have obviously been lacking in intensity if Ukr is able to assemble all of these attacks. There is no lack of missiles or launching devices. It is just a choice by the govt and their bureaucratically correct war.

If a govt building was leveled every time Ukraine did one of these cheap shots, they would think twice about doing it again. Instead of you know... doing it with impunity because there is no consequences.

Are there any su 57's stationed in Crimea ? That will be a target. These kinds of attacks raise moral in the Ukr military. They have real effects.

https://www.rt.com/russia/583313-ukraine-transgender-spokesperson-fired/

The Ukrainian Territorial Defense Forces has suspended its transender American spokesperson for threatening a wave of assassinations against “Kremlin propagandists” around the world.

Sarah Ashton-Cirillo’s dramatic threat drew the attention of US Senator JD Vance, who asked the administration of President Joe Biden to explain if it was funding this content.

this number is bigger than the amount of Russian soldiers sent into this operation

It has nothing to do with "west", but how some people are determined to deny obvious things, even if those bite them straight in ass.
But whatever

It has everything to do with the west... we bollock on about democracy and freedom of speech and when an anti Russian or anti Chinese or anti Iranian or anti North Korean dissident is put in jail we rise up and cry because Russia and China and Iran and North Korea are authoritarian hell holes, but when the shoe is on the other foot and people like Manning and Snowden and Assange reveal information about very real very serious warcrimes they end up in jail or exile.

There were no massive protests in the west over RT and Sputnik being banned in the west at a time when the BBC and CNN and Fox News was not being blocked in Russia.

Western countries blissfully unaware that their comfortable lives have been subsidised by cheap energy and cheap raw materials from Russia were happy to blame Russia for absolutely everything... if you want to paint the western public as victims of their evil governments then good luck with that... most people could care less about international affairs and when their governments hide the real reasons for the things they are doing that is creating real damage to the western economies which western people do care about. If they actually cared about peace and democracy and freedom of speech and person freedom they would believe others should have it to and that it was not just for them.

Until then I think they are the problem.

Of course you can disagree.

After increasing its military ties with NK and Iran, why is Russia not doing the same with Venezuela and Cuba in response to Nato crossing red lines in Ukraine?

That is what I thought initially but I don't think Russia should link this conflict and US and EU and UK escalations to its relations with such countries as Cuba and Venezuela and NK and Iran and Syria and countries around the rest of the world. Their responses need to certainly upset the west, but also be such that they could be reversed to reward a deescalation from the west in response.

For instance if the UK had said all DU ammo was going to be withdrawn from Kiev and Ukraine then Russia could say they might not need nukes in Belarus just yet... but that would upset Luka so I am glad the UK are so dumb that they continue to supply nuclear waste to Kiev to vehicles that have probably not fired a shot yet and the result is nukes in Belarus... geez those Brits are dumb.

Increasing ties with such countries should be separate... perhaps explain to Cuba that to maybe get the INF treaty back they could rip up the agreement the Soviet Union and the US signed over no nukes in Cuba in return for no nukes in Turkey... because the US already broke that agreement anyway.

If Putin does not want to risk too much in Latin American countries, then at least he could start at a small scale to at least spook the Americans and display their hypocrisy with reciprocal actions.

Putin will likely turn away from the west for everything, which means any other country is a logical substitute as long as they do what the west could not... treat Russia with respect and not try to deal from a position of superiority (imagined) and then try to get a deal where Russia is the loser and the west is the winner.

Russia doesn't need that and there are plenty of countries interested in free and fair trade to open up and develop their economies.

And what in detail Nicaragua and Kuba can share for the Russian struggle at the moment?

Nothing to do with the Ukraine conflict, and everything to do with improved relations and trade for mutual benefit... the sort of thing the West never wanted.

It might distract parts of Washington's focus away from Ukraine, even if Russia armed countries like Venezuela only at a small level or shared military technology. I remember how Western media already panicked, when a bunch of Iranian ships visited South America.

Or it might motivate them to invade Venezuela to steal their enormous oil reserves with a coalition of the energy starved EU countries wanting to reassert their colonial dominance.

They offer Russia the opportunity to cross the US's red lines in kind. Which would be used as a bargaining chip vs Ukraine.

To be a bargaining chip it needs to be reversable... so if the US stops aide to Kiev Russia has to stop all relations with Cuba and Venzuela?

They could offer Cuba an S-400. Or an Iskander fleet

Which would annoy the US but not really help the Cuban people or make their lives any better or safer.

Cuba is there for the taking and Russia and China are too stupid to do anything with it. Cuba is open to deals with either of them.

Castro didn't want those nukes because he knew it pushed his country up the danger chain to where nukes would be pointed at his country. The current leadership would probably prefer someone buys their cigars and sugar and other goods and in return they can buy things from Russia and get support from Russia in a range of areas... they actually have lots of very well trained doctors...

Your mentality is why Russia finds itself in a place that no great power, let alone one of 2 nuclear equals-should find itself in.

The cold war is over and the west and the US are destroying themselves. Russia just needs to stay out of their way in most situations and let them get on with it.

Allegedly 11 Ukr su 24's in one place able to take off is a miss by Russia. Shouldn't be easy to hide 11 su 24s

They said there was 11 so they clearly didn't hide them...

Those su-24 spend more time on the ground than in the air. Locate them with satelittes and attack them with kinzhals.

Put car ties on them and the disappear on radar and thermals, and a tarp or tree branches makes them disappear too.

MRAPs beware!!!

With 70mm of armour... more like "Beware of anything better armed than MRAPs".

They were flying under 1000 feet off the ground. These are suicide missions. Sending su 35's after them isn't the answer. A plane flying that low could be taken out with manpads, Tor or a Pantsir.

This is exactly what they are going to use F-16's for.

If they are flying low over the Black Sea to attack Crimea TOR and Pantsir and Verba or Igla-S would sink, unless you mean on ships.

If a govt building was leveled every time Ukraine did one of these cheap shots, they would think twice about doing it again. Instead of you know... doing it with impunity because there is no consequences.

IF they destroy government buildings and HQs then listening in to the enemy would become more difficult...

Hunting down drone production and operator locations for destruction makes sense and the locations cruise missiles are stored is worth while.

https://www.rt.com/news/583320-poland-stops-weapons-ukraine/

Poland stops supplying weapons to Ukraine – PM

“We are no longer transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we are now arming Poland with more modern weapons,” Morawiecki said.

Translation: "we have already completed our clearance sale and so you no longer have any use to us".

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Sarmat?

He was not addressing a specified system, but in general, the speech was made on the base of all the new weapon systems he presented back in 2018.

PapaDragon wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:...The German-made, 1980s-vintage Leopard 1A5 with its precise day-night optics and stabilized 105-millimeter main gun is an excellent long-range shooter—and highly mobile.

MRAPs beware!!!

Here, I've fixed for'ya the really funny part

Backman wrote:Once again, these are American and British attacks on Russia's Black sea fleet. If Ukraine was left to its own devices, none of this would be happening.  

These super secret attacks on underground SBU centers doesn't cut it. Govt buildings need to burn. Russia's missile attacks and air attacks have obviously been lacking in intensity if Ukr is able to assemble all of these attacks. There is no lack of missiles or launching devices. It is just a choice by the govt and their bureaucratically correct war.

If a govt building was leveled every time Ukraine did one of these cheap shots, they would think twice about doing it again. Instead of you know... doing it with impunity because there is no consequences.

Are there any su 57's stationed in Crimea ? That will be a target. These kinds of attacks raise moral in the Ukr military. They have real effects.

Why don't you volunteer and show how it's done?

That would be a better use of both your time and ours with than these constant complaints, and calls to destroy government buildings. Those government buildings are not full of combatants, just so you understand. And the officials who do actually make the key decisions don't sit in such buildings, and you don't necessarily want to take them out anyway considering the poor decisions that they've been making. There's the risk that they'll be replaced by somebody competent.

Whining cost nothing.

And in the meantime, this is what was left of Central Hotel in Cherkassy, where Ukrowehrmacht was stationing ...

Backman wrote:

This calls for more intensive Combat Air Patrol over Black Sea, particularly with Su-35 or MiG-31's.

They were flying under 1000 feet off the ground. These are suicide missions. Sending su 35's after them isn't the answer. A plane flying that low could be taken out with manpads, Tor or a Pantsir.  

This is exactly what they are going to use F-16's for.

I wouldn't be surprised if they use diversion tactics. Taking off fully armed at very low level from inside a NATzo country and then flying to an empty 404 airbase and pretend to take off from there. Hosting and operating 11+ Su-24's from a known Ukie airbase doesn't make sense to me.

The trick is, that on the satellite photos of some of the Ukro bases, it is obviously clear that they are still keeping the planes in open.
I was checking one of them this week, Google Maps shows aerial photos that are obviously made when the war was already well advanced.
At one of the bases - forgot which one honestly - I counted 40 (FORTY!) Su-24 just standing.
It was the same base where some MiG-29s were hit, with some of them rolled over by the blast - I am sure you will remember the case.
You can spot those 29s destroyed on the same photos.
My guess is, that Russkie know those planes to be in non flyable condition, so won't waste missiles on them.
It is a different story with MiG-29, those can be repaired in several locations in Europe. Poland, Czech and Bulgaria.
Su-24 was never used by any of the WarPac countries, so none of the aircraft repair plants has the skills to do it.

Edit : seems like Herr Schulz get even less attention than Cocainsky...



... and that's all that's left of warehouses in Kiev...

higurashihougi wrote:https://www.rt.com/news/583320-poland-stops-weapons-ukraine/

Poland stops supplying weapons to Ukraine – PM

“We are no longer transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we are now arming Poland with more modern weapons,” Morawiecki said.

Translation: "we have already completed our clearance sale and so you no longer have any use to us".

It sounds like really good news, if it means that Poland will contribute less to this dangerous war, but it would be bad news, if Poland is breaking up with Ukraine with the intention to fight Russia itself and occupy West-Ukraine in the near future.

Edit : seems like Herr Schulz get even less attention than Cocainsky...

Maybe because Zelensky is a higher ranking stooge of the US empire than Scholz. Nobody cares about a secondary or tertiary vassal repeating the talking points of his master.

Poland is breaking up with Ukraine with the intention to fight Russia itself and occupy West-Ukraine in the near future.

That was the US's plan from the start. PONOS countries being groomed to be used as a meatshield against Russia. Why have vassals for war if you don't plan to fill the first rows with them?