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Maybe the moral of some General but the soldiers on the frontlines see too many of their buddies die to get something out of a largely failed drone/missile attack orThese kinds of attacks raise moral in the Ukr military.
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“Was Zelensky elected to Congress? Is he our president? I don’t think so. I have questions for where’s the accountability on the money we’ve already spent? What is this the plan for victory?” House Speaker Kevin McCarthy asked Tuesday.GarryB, flamming_python, Werewolf, d_taddei2, Big_Gazza, kvs, PapaDragon and like this post
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #49 higurashihougi Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:48 pm
ALAMO wrote:US House Speaker McCarthy said he denied Zelensky the opportunity to speak in front of the Congress because the lawmakers were busy, The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/us/politics/mccarthy-zelensky-republicans.html) reports.
Downfall began.
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Last night, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out a group strike with long-range airborne precision weapons and strike drones against military industrial facilities, as well as centres for radio-technical reconnaissance and the training of sabotage groups of the AFU. The goal of the strike has been achieved. All the targets have been engaged.
In Zaporozhye direction, 2 attacks of AFU 71st Jaeger and 47th Mechanised brigades near Novopokrovka and Rabotino (Zaporozhye) were repelled by actions of the Russian Group of Forces units, air strikes and artillery fire. Also, a cluster of manpower of the 46th Airmobile Brigade of the AFU near the locality of Verbovoye (Zaporozhye) was hit by fire. Up to 50 servicemen, 2 AFVs, including Bradley IFV, and 3 motor vehicles were eliminated. Also, 2 U.S.-made M777 artillery systems, 3 D-30 howitzers, and 1 U.S.-made M119 gun were hit during counter-battery warfare. In Donetsk direction, units of the Yug Group of Forces, in cooperation with aviation and artillery, repelled 5 attacks by AFU near Orekhovo-Vasilyevka Kurdyumovka, Klescheevka, Veseloye, and Khimik (DPR). Up to 300 servicemen killed and wounded, 2 AFVs, 5 motor vehicles, 1 Olkha MLRS, as well as 1 Polish-manufactured Krab self-propelled artillery system have been eliminated.In Kupyansk direction, the Zapad Group of Forces units supported by aviation and artillery inflicted fire damage on the enemy near Sinkovka (Kharkov) and Novosyolovskoye (LPR). The enemy's losses were up to 20 servicemen, 2 motor vehicles, and 1 U.S.-made M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery system. In Krasny Liman direction, coordinated actions of the Tsentr Group of Forces, as well as helicopters strikes and artillery fire repelled 3 attacks launched by AFU assault groups near Chervonaya Dibrova and Shipilovka (LPR). In addition, strikes were delivered at clusters of enemy manpower and hardware near Grigorovka, Torskoye (DPR) and Serebryansky forestry. The AFU losses amounted to more than 75 servicemen, 2 AFVs, 2 pickup trucks, as well as one D-30 howitzer.In South Donetsk direction, the Vostok Group of Forces, supported by helicopters and artillery inflicted fire damage on AFU units near Prechistovka (DPR) and repelled one enemy attack close to Priyutnoye (Zaporozhye). Up to 110 servicemen, 1 AFV, 4 motor vehicles, 1 Uragan MLRS, as well as 1 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system have been eliminated. In Kherson direction, over 45 servicemen, three motor vehicles, and 1 U.S.-made M777 howitzer have been neutralised. 1 SRG of the AFU 126th Territorial Defence Brigade has been obliterated close to Pereyaslavsky Island. Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware in 102 areas during the day. 1 U.S.-made AN/TPQ-50 counterbattery radar station was destroyed near Kalinovo (DPR). Air defence systems have intercepted 5 Storm Shadow cruise missiles, 4 HIMARS MLRS projectiles, and 1 HARM anti-radiation missile. 75 UAVs were obliterated in the areas of Mirnoye, Tokmak, Chervonogorka, Pologi (Zaporozhye), Volnovakha, Artyomovsk, Zolotarevka (DPR), Golikovo, Lisichansk (LPR), Olshana (Kharkov), as well as Novaya Sburyevka, Sagi, Geroyskoye (Kherson).GarryB, franco, d_taddei2, kvs, PapaDragon, GunshipDemocracy, Hole and Mir like this post
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The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny may become a person involved in a criminal case on the abandonment of the south of Ukraine — the BBC Ukrainian service.
According to media reports, the investigation has been going on for a year and a half, the commander-in-chief has already talked with investigators.
Although there is no legal procedural status in the case yet, the BBC does not exclude that the commander-in-chief may receive it.
by @tass_agency
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #49 SolidarityWithRussia Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:19 pm
Downfall continued.
https://www.rt.com/news/583335-germany-opposes-ukraine-un-reform-plan/
Annalena Baerbock says Berlin does not support Kiev’s call to strip Russia of its veto power.
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Don't throw me in with the concern trolls , doomers and idiots. I am just talking about a policy choice by Putin mostly. I think the approach is too passive. Prestige should matter even just a little bit.flamming_python wrote:Backman wrote:Once again, these attacks on underground SBU centers doesn't of was leveled every time Ukraine did one of these cheap shots, they would think twice about doing it again. Instead of you know... doing it with impunity because there is no consequences.
Are there any su 57's stationed in Crimea ? That will be a target. These kinds of attacks raise moral in the Ukr military. They have real effects.
Why don't you volunteer and show how it's done?
That would be a better use of both your time and ours with than these constant complaints, and calls to destroy government buildings. Those government buildings are not full of combatants, just so you understand. And the officials who do actually make the key decisions don't sit in such buildings, and you don't necessarily want to take them out anyway considering the poor decisions that they've been making. There's the risk that they'll be replaced by somebody competent.
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There are significant elements in the American intelligence community, relying on field reports and technical intelligence, who believe that the demoralized Ukraine army has given up on the possibility of overcoming the heavily mined three-tier Russian defense lines and taking the war to Crimea and the four oblasts seized and annexed by Russia. The reality is that Volodymyr Zelensky’s battered army no longer has any chance of a victory.
The war continues, I have been told by an official with access to current intelligence, because Zelensky insists that it must. There is no discussion in his headquarters or in the Biden White House of a ceasefire and no interest in talks that could lead to an end to the slaughter. “It’s all lies,” the official said, speaking of the Ukrainian claims of incremental progress in the offensive that has suffered staggering losses, while gaining ground in a few scattered areas that the Ukrainian military measures in meters per week.
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The American intelligence official I spoke with spent the early years of his career working against Soviet aggression and spying has respect for Putin’s intellect but contempt for his decision to go to war with Ukraine and to initiate the death and destruction that war brings. But, as he told me, “The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going.
“The truth is if the Ukrainian army is ordered to continue the offensive, the army would mutiny. The soldiers aren’t willing to die any more, but this doesn’t fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House.”
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Hole wrote:Seymour Hersh reports on the state of the war and of significant differences of opinion between the U.S. intelligence services:
The American intelligence official I spoke with spent the early years of his career working against Soviet aggression and spying has respect for Putin’s intellect but contempt for his decision to go to war with Ukraine and to initiate the death and destruction that war brings. But, as he told me, “The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going.
“The truth is if the Ukrainian army is ordered to continue the offensive, the army would mutiny. The soldiers aren’t willing to die any more, but this doesn’t fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House.”
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #49 flamming_python Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:43 am
ALAMO wrote:Victory has tons of parents, defeat is an orphan.
Edit : just rolled over laughing
"Zelensky was so popular at UN meeting as a pork chop at Muslim wedding"
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