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    2023 Israel–Hamas war

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    Post  TMA1 Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:24 am

    Eugenio Argentina I never see you post much at all till this very event. Why?

    Also Garryb I usually agree with you but the timing and reaction to this event stinks. You mentioned 9/11 as an example but I believe differently than the crazy conspiracies. Like the gulf of Tonkin incident and what we are discovering about Pearl Harbor it seems the cliques in control had intel but instead wanted the attack so they could react accordingly. Same with this event, imo.

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    Post  Mir Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:49 am

    Bibi made the claim that Hamas and ISIS are the same but they are not. They actually hate each other.
    Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood and has strong ties with Egypt. ISIS is practically at war with Egypt. Hamas's aim is to liberate the Palestinians from Israeli occupation.

    ISIS, which stands for Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, belongs to the Salafist branch within Islam and wants to create an Islamic caliphate and impose Sharia law throughout the region.

    Hamas took part in the democratic Palestinian elections. ISIS condemned them for doing so. ISIS also declared "war" on Hamas for imprisoning ISIS members in Gaza. So no they are not the same and they are not buddies in arms.

    They may have some common purpose as they are both creations of the CIA for subversive purposes by the war hawks in Washington.

    Meanwhile some news from the Factory Of Lies: Laughing

    RT wrote:US officials have backtracked after President Joe Biden claimed to have seen “confirmed pictures” of Palestinian militants “beheading children” in Israel, explaining that he had seen no images and was merely relaying claims from the Israeli government and media reports.

    While Biden declared that he was shocked to see photos depicting brutal acts against Israeli babies while addressing Jewish leaders on Wednesday, a White House spokesperson later told the Washington Post that officials were unaware of the pictures described. They added that they had no independent confirmation for reports that children were beheaded during a major Hamas attack on Israel last weekend, despite Biden’s mention of “confirmed” images.

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    Post  Sprut-B Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:51 am

    TMA1 wrote:Eugenio Argentina I never see you post much at all till this very event. Why?

    He could be a fan of a well-known painter from Austria   Laughing
    You can figure out the rest.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:42 am

    That Israel created Hamas is fantasy.
    He may have been allowed some type of activity.

    I don't pretend to know everything about the region but it seems the extremists on both sides love the violence because it gives them free reign to do as they please.

    They hand control to idiots simply by saying if someone is killed or shot or bombed then we go hard line and abuse your entire population and treat them all like terrorists because that is simpler and suits us better if we think we can eliminate you completely.

    The reality is that extremists are out of control on both sides and the Palestinians are no better able to stop nutters from setting off bombs than the israelis cans top their own doing something similar, so it just takes a shooting or a bombing and each side goes nasty, and they justified it by saying we warned them... well warning idiots that if they do something lethal then all peace talks and reasonable offers are no longer an option then of course those nutters will do it and nutters on the other side might not actually help them but might not do everything they possibly can to stop them.

    It is a mess and there is no obvious solution but one side has most of the power and they are supported by the western world which means they don't have to compromise or be fair... they can be monsters and they are being monsters... and claiming to be victims when the other side responds.

    The BIG difference is that Gaza's rubble will turn out to be a huge death trap for those 300 000 Israeli troops.

    With drones it becomes even more lethal and dangerous even for very heavy armour and also very interestingly artillery which previously could be safe from the fighting... this could turn out rather different from what the west and Israel are expecting.

    Also Garryb I usually agree with you but the timing and reaction to this event stinks.

    The west looks weak, over the events in Ukraine and potential events over taiwan, and of course the situation in Africa, compounded with the expansion of BRICS which is a genuine alternative to the only way to grow and develop which was trading with the west... which is always difficult because they never give you good terms or trade agreements... they always act like they are doing you the favour to take all that awful Uranium or other valuable item off your hands.

    This was planned and it happened on purpose I totally agree... it is just I don't think Israel had anything to do with this other than being the reason it is happening.

    You are of course free to have your own opinion and I have no problem with that... I am certainly not saying I am right and everyone else is wrong.

    You mentioned 9/11 as an example but I believe differently than the crazy conspiracies. Like the gulf of Tonkin incident and what we are discovering about Pearl Harbor it seems the cliques in control had intel but instead wanted the attack so they could react accordingly. Same with this event, imo.

    Well that would be ironic because that would make them... the intelligence community working to keep Israel and America safe are incompetent... the fact that they did nothing and got caught completely unaware suggests people who knew should be tried and executed for the deaths of those on both sides that died so far and will die over the next few months.

    Russia saw the Ukrainian build up and they knew something was happening and they decided on pre emptive self defence... the western media didn't appreciate that but the documents and information they found regarding Kievs forces and their intent and of course the bio weapons labs and lots of other factors have proven it was very much the right thing to do.

    If they had done nothing and let Kiev attack they probably would have used their pathetic navy and a reasonable airforce at the start of the conflict to do some serious damage to the Crimea I would suspect and then the Russian response would be on the backfoot and the western media would still blame Russia anyway.

    Most of the early western sanctions were over the bloodless referendum and decision by the locals in Crimea to join the Russian federation and the west has called it an Annexation ever since and suggests it was a violent act.

    There is no pleasing the western media... thankfully Russia and China know this now and simply have chosen not to bother any more... which makes things much easier.

    ISIS, which stands for Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, belongs to the Salafist branch within Islam and wants to create an Islamic caliphate and impose Sharia law throughout the region.

    ISIS is essentially Saddams Iraqi Army banned from legitimate work in Iraq by the American occupiers, what would they end up doing other than become really radical and continue their "work" no longer hindered by idiot political leaders.

    Bibi made the claim that Hamas and ISIS are the same but they are not. They actually hate each other.

    The west likes to think everyone else is the same as them... the west hated the nazis and the commies but funded and supported the commies during WWII as the lessor of two evils because the alternative is fighting both sides which they would probably be incapable of.

    The enemy of your enemy is your friend... except they are enemies when your main enemy is defeated... Al Quada was created in the 80s and 90s and the west used them against the Soviets and then the Russians in Afghanistan, but US forces in Saudi Arabia offended them and they turned on their former masters.

    In Syria the west was prepared to help anyone fighting Assad including ISIS and Al Quada and the Kurds whom they have thrown under the bus sooo many times before... but this time it will be different of course.... Twisted Evil

    Meanwhile some news from the Factory Of Lies

    Keep saying it and it becomes true... Trump knows all about that with the Steele Dossier... which was also made up but sick and depraved like a womans magazine article... so they repeated it over and over till they thought it was true....

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:45 am

    Mir wrote:

    Meanwhile some news from the Factory Of Lies: Laughing


    Honestly, it is very informative only to watch the narrative spin and direction in all the global media outlets.

    This conflict is extremely versatile and unveils some lines we would never expect.
    Just as an example. Russian mainstream media scene is very Jewish-heavy.
    Tons of program hosts, talking heads etc are simply Jewish.
    So what we have now, is a kind of dancing on the rope.
    They are behaving like gorillas in the mist. Sympathies are set towards Israel for obvious reasons, yet Hamas has wide acceptance in regular Russian society.
    It is really funny to hear how they struggle to make comments that will satisfy every side, and loosing Laughing Laughing
    On the other hand, Arabs are well known for the instrumental usage of victims, children being a very special part of a whole propaganda campaign.
    The only difference is, which Arabs are doing the very same things.
    Kids were being instrumentalized by the Syrian "rebels". Tons of materials have been simply produced.
    People forget that, as there are no "white helmets film studio Inc." for a good while.
    Jews are doing just the same, using old and proven methods of "newborns being thrown out of the incubators (c)".
    Two sides of the same coin ...

    Palestinian society is extremely young, with an extremely high number of children.
    Just because of statistics, there will be much more kids being victimized rather than in other types of conflicts.
    It does not mean that someone is targeting them deliberately.
    Another factor is the very low construction standards.
    Just take a look at the materials provided.
    Those homes are falling apart like houses made of cards. Two missiles are enough to erase a 10 floor building.
    Collateral damage will be just devastating when such a kind of infrastructure is at the receiver end of 500lbs bomb.
    We had equally pictures films made in Syria, when VKS was kind enough to drop some FABs or KABs - with our loud applause.

    In my opinion, it is very hard to pick a side in this war.
    Both sides are cruel. Both sides commit war crimes. Both sides are using terroristic methods.
    And last but not least, both sides have some rights.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:23 am

    Sprut-B wrote:
    TMA1 wrote:Eugenio Argentina I never see you post much at all till this very event. Why?

    He could be a fan of a well-known painter from Austria   Laughing
    You can figure out the rest.

    He is from Argentina....

    Buenas noches, mein Führer.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:26 am

    TMA1 wrote:Eugenio Argentina I never see you post much at all till this very event. Why?

    Also Garryb I usually agree with you but the timing and reaction to this event stinks. You mentioned 9/11 as an example but I believe differently than the crazy conspiracies. Like the gulf of Tonkin incident and what we are discovering about Pearl Harbor it seems the cliques in control had intel but instead wanted the attack so they could react accordingly. Same with this event, imo.

    Actually, I have posted in several threads: the one about Argentina, Conflict in Ukraine, this one about Palestine and others.
    Obviously, I participate to the extent I can and when there are topics of interest.
    If you take the trouble to look through the forum you will see what I am telling you.
    If you want to imply something, with your question, you could say it directly.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:27 am


    In light of IDF being caught with their pants down so hard those Russian snap drills are probably starting to look like a pretty good idea to a lot of people

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:37 am

    Some members of the forum spend their time speculating, without presenting the slightest proof. Except for parroting the well-known lies of Western "Middle East analysts", who are carried away by colonialist prejudices and knowingly spread falsehoods, since they are propagandists of Anglo-Saxon and Zionist Imperialism.
    The simplistic accusations that some people make about being a Nazi are another product of those colonial prejudices.
    It would be better to analyze things coldly and provide evidence than to reduce everything to conspiracy theories and try to vilify those who think differently.
    At least, to give a serious debate and not fall into ridicule.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:46 am

    Heavy bombing in Sderot and surroundings.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:58 am



    The Zionists (with the help of their allies, the mainstream media), are trying to show the complicity between ISIS and Hamas. A position that has some followers in this forum.


    https://twitter.com/lionne998/status/1712388145499504751

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:00 pm

    Palestinian infants vividly portray the devastating toll of Israeli airstrikes on their fragile lives.

    https://twitter.com/PalHighlight/status/1712389594753212908

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:04 pm

    BREAKING: A Palestinian man was just shot dead by Israeli terror settler militias during the funeral of four Palestinians murdered yesterday by the same militias in the village of Qusra, south of Nablus.

    https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1712385930344988749

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:08 pm

    Turns out the source of the "beheaded babies" canard is an extremist Israeli settler leader, David Ben Zion, who "has a history of calls to genocidal violence" & wiping out entire villages!

    He literally wishes to see Palestinians ethnically cleansed & the media is helping him!

    https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1712225670372171830

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    Post  franco Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Sprut-B wrote:
    TMA1 wrote:Eugenio Argentina I never see you post much at all till this very event. Why?

    He could be a fan of a well-known painter from Austria   Laughing
    You can figure out the rest.

    He is from Argentina....

    Buenas noches, mein Führer.


    There are two posters with Argentina in their name... think perhaps some confuse which one is whom. One maybe an admirer of the Austrian painter but don't believe it is this one.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:32 pm

    #NABLUS MTV: Leader of Fatah Ibrahim Al-Wadi & son, officer in the security services, Ahmed Ibrahim Al-Wadi, were killed in attack carried out by settlers on the funeral procession of the martyrs of Qasra, south of Nablus.#Israel #Gaza

    https://twitter.com/beirutreporter/status/1712414336201691613

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:36 pm

    PALESTINIAN CHILDREN ARE NOT CONSIDERED CHILDREN - THEY CONVINCED YOU THEY AREN’T HUMAN

    https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1712257426353791485

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:37 pm

    Zionists dancing and celebrating the mass slaughter of Palestinians


    https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1712412885710954931

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:43 pm

    “You cannot trust imperialism. In no way at all! Not one iota!" - Che Guevara

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=913878822618787

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:46 pm

    Islamic Jihad calls on West Bank resistance to join operation against Israel


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    The Islamic Jihad resistance movement says the ongoing operation against Israel is no longer limited to the Gaza Strip and other fronts, including the resistance groups in the occupied West Bank, may soon join the large-scale battle.

    In an audio speech on Wednesday, a spokesman for the al-Quds Brigades, the armed wing of the Islamic Jihad resistance movement, Abu Hamza, said Operation al-Aqsa Storm may soon expand to include the Palestinian territories occupied in 1948, Lebanon's al-Mayadeen news channel reported.

    He added that the scope of fire is expanding, stressing that the events in south Lebanon were merely a small example of what is awaiting the enemy.

    He expressed confidence that victory is just around the corner.

    The military spokesperson addressed resistance fighters in the West Bank, calling on the Jenin and Lion's Den brigades, as well as all the Palestinians there to engage in confrontations with the Israeli occupation.

    "We have come prepared for you outside Palestine just as we were inside Palestine, and the events that unfolded in the Gaza Envelope shall be mirrored in other battlegrounds," he further said.

    Pointing to Israel's brutal attacks on the Gaza Strip, he emphasized that the enemy was not able to face the resistance, so it vented its anger on women and children.

    On Saturday, Hamas launched the largest military operation against the occupying entity in decades, dubbed Operation al-Aqsa Storm.

    The resistance movement said that its operation came in response to Israel’s violations at al-Aqsa Mosque in occupied East al-Quds and growing settler violence.

    Israeli media outlets report that more than 1,300 settlers and troops have been killed, while the number of those injured exceeds 3,300.

    Following Hamas’ surprise attack, Israel launched deadly strikes on the blockaded Gaza Strip.

    Israeli officials also ordered a total blockade of the already besieged Gaza to compensate for heavy losses suffered during Operation al-Aqsa Storm.

    According to Gaza’s Health Ministry, the death toll from Israeli airstrikes has reached 1,200, including scores of children. The attacks have left nearly 5,600 injured.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:08 pm

    Breaking , Syrian Air defenses respond to an Israeli srtike targeting over Damascus International Airport.


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    Post  TMA1 Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:12 pm

    Knew it. This is ultimately about Syria and Iran.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:26 pm

    Hamas operation debunked myth of Israel’s intel prowess, deterrence: Analyst

    By Alireza Hashemi

    The surprise military operation by the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas has again debunked the myth of the regime's intelligence prowess and deterrence, says an analyst.

    In an interview with the Press TV website, Mahdi Shakibaei, a Tehran-based analyst on West Asia, said the Tel Aviv regime had since the six-day war of 1973, when its Western-backed war machinery defeated several Arab armies, boasted of its intensive infiltration and espionage capabilities.

    “This operation was a complete surprise. During the first 40 minutes, Israelis didn’t know they were being attacked and it was during this critical period that the most casualties were inflicted,” he said, referring to Saturday morning operation dubbed ‘Al-Aqsa Storm’ (also known as Al-Aqsa Flood).

    “All of this happened right under their nose. It shattered the myth of the Israeli regime’s intelligence superiority and that they can detect threats from miles away.”

    The Palestinian military operation has left more than 1,000 Israelis dead and over 2,800 others injured. Also, hundreds of Israelis are currently held as war prisoners across the besieged Gaza Strip.

    Hamas said the operation was a natural response to the regime’s escalated attacks on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, al-Quds, and rampant abuse of Palestinians languishing in Israeli prisons.

    The regime carried out many raids against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank before this operation, killing nearly 250 Palestinians in what was described as the deadliest year for Palestine in decades.

    Shakibaei said the ‘Al-Aqsa Storm’ operation also shattered the myth that Israel has an extraordinarily high deterrent power and that there’s no chance anybody can stage a successful attack on it.

    “Israel for years pretended that it can respond to any attack with multiple attacks. They bragged about their deterrent power. But they couldn’t prevent this operation despite murdering so many Palestinians,” he told the Press TV website.

    “Just weeks ago, they assassinated a number of Palestinian Islamic Jihad leaders. They couldn’t achieve deterrence. They got five thousand rockets in the early moments of the operation.”

    The West Asian affairs analyst said from the 2006 war with the Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah till now, not more than 300 Israelis have been killed, but now the number of dead proves that the regime’s claims were “more propaganda and bluff.”

    Normalization with Israel no longer on table

    Elaborating on the achievements of the latest operation, which he described a “brave choice” by a nation that had nothing to lose, Shakibaei said the operation shifted the world’s eyes back to the Palestinian cause, revitalized the Arab and Muslim support for the oppressed nation, and disrupted the so-called normalization process between some Arab states and the Israeli regime.

    “The operation caused the normalization issue to fade into oblivion. Saudi Arabia refused to join the normalization crowd during former US president Donald Trump’s tenure,” he remarked.

    “But recently there were frequent contacts between Washington and Riyadh on the matter, and Israelis began to travel to Saudi Arabia under different pretexts, and even Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman openly said they’re getting closer to normalization. This was a big threat to Palestine.”

    He said the tone of Saudis has now changed, adding that Bahrain, Morocco and others who opted for normalization with Israel “must now feel ashamed.”

    “How can they justify Israel’s savage strikes against Palestinians? How can they befriend a regime who engages in mass bombardments of this poor nation,” he remarked.

    Settler’s hope for security being dashed

    Shakibaei said the operation shook the foundations of the illegitimate regime, which has been in a state of chaos recently, and put Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right cabinet in real danger.

    “Netanyahu’s ongoing crazy attacks on Gaza are out of desperation. If he launches more attacks, he will be hated and isolated more. And if not, his electoral promises would prove lies,” he noted.

    “This extremist cabinet came to power pledging to destroy the Palestinian cause. It was always in a fragile state and there’ve long been talks of another election there.”

    The West Asian affairs commentator said the illegal Israeli settlers had hoped this far-right cabinet could finally put an end to the long-running existential challenges the regime has been grappling with.

    He said Netanyahu’s political rivals are blaming the right-wing cabinet for the Hamas operation, and some have proposed the creation of an emergency cabinet without ministers like Itamar Ben Gvir.

    ‘But all of these leaders, including Benny Gantz, have been tested and none of them has managed to bring Israel security,” Shakibaei remarked.

    Gaza has been devastated by four wars and countless attacks by the Israeli regime since Palestinians forced the occupying Israeli troops out of the region in 2007.

    Netanyahu has now talked of a long war ahead, rushing forces to the south and calling up tens of thousands of reservists, leading some observers to predict a possible ground invasion of Gaza.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:28 pm

    Aleppo International Airport is also under zionist attack right now, too. A coordinated zionist aggression against Syria.


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    Post  Mir Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:36 pm

    @Alamo

    The strange thing about it all is that the European Jews was once forced into ghettos and systematically murdered in a brutal genocide - and they will not let anyone EVER forget it.

    Yet they have no qualms in treating the Palestinians in the same inhumane and brutal fashion.

    Fact is they had a peace deal with Palestinians but they conveniently "forgot" to implement it. Crooked deals like that has consequences and today we see the full effect of it.

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