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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:52 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    Hole wrote :
    Waste of ammo. You can´t destroy railway lines or a road. You can only damage a small section of it.
    Banderaland maybe a shithole but it´s capable of repairing such damages, especially with western
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    I remember saying that a drone can be designed to fly and land on rail track and plant a magnetic steel wedge along  track . Do this on several points . Rail cargo stopped for a few days . Keep doing it . Rail stopped for a month or longer . War ends .
    Wink

    Really nice would be a drone that carried a magnetic charge that would attach to rail awaiting a train, of sufficient power to blow the rain and derail the train. This transforms the task of repairing just a hole blown in the track to one recovering the train first.

    Also, whilst accepting the point Garry makes about allowing munitions etc through to storage points before blowing them, I don't understand why Ukraine's railways are not bogged down with blown up locomotives all across the country at the Lancet and other range limits, with double tap on the repair cranes etc. Or come to that, destruction of rail switches/crossovers (the most difficult to repair) by glide bombs, again at up to maximum range, with a double tap again on the repair crews.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:10 pm

    Just love the 'I'll just slip away, hope no-one notices' look on that face.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:46 pm

    29.11.2023

    Kiev burns. Crematoria of the Ukrainian Armed Forces work in three shifts, burning the corpses of their soldiers

    A real death factory has been set up by the Ukrainian Armed Forces at the Kostyantynivka bone burning plant. The logistics are perfect. The crematorium is right in the middle of the fighting. The dead are taken from all the surrounding areas: Artemovsk, Kleshcheyevka, Avdeevka. Five kilometres away is the Kondratievka railway station, where trains with fuel for the needs of a giant crematorium arrive every two weeks. Inanimate “material” is delivered several times a day.

    Three shifts without lunch breaks

    The Ukraine does not spare money from the budget for field crematoria. Buy the best German high-performance stoves for burning large animals. For all the furnaces, the Germans provide, as one would expect from them. a lifetime warranty.

    The process of “disposing of bodies” in the AFU has been worked out to the smallest detail: from receiving corpses to removing the finished “material” from the furnace.

    There are ashes, but no losses. Ukrainian soldiers burn in crematoria designed to be used for for animals. “In the spring of this year, industrial refrigerators for storing corpses were installed in a separate building to ensure the smooth operation of the bone incinerator”, the Telegram channel “Military Chronicle” writes. “There are powerful multi-fuel generators installed there as well. In order not to cause panic amongst the local population, the bodies of killed Ukrainian soldiers are transported to the factory in ordinary trucks without the marks “Cargo 200”.

    But residents of the surrounding villages have long known that the plant has a fully fledged “factory of death” of the Armed Forces of the Ukraine. Residents call this place “Hell’s Furnaces”. Owing to the poor operation of the furnace filters, smoke with ash escapes from the crematorium pipes, which, having settled, covers the surrounding area with a grey film.

    “A strong smell of burnt bodies is all over the area”, the Telegram channel writes.

    Called a soldier of the Armed Forces of the Ukraine — now get into the oven

    In one of its publications correspondent edition aif.ru I have already written that it is a widespread practice in the Armed Forces of the Ukraine for a soldier to sign “voluntary” consent to the cremation of his body in the event of death.

    According to the journalist, there are two reasons for this: concealment of losses and fraudulent schemes, when the so-called “coffin payments” are not paid to the relatives of dead soldiers.

    This, by the way, is repeatedly mentioned during interrogations by Ukrainian prisoners of war. They say that the families of killed colleagues cannot receive compensation, since their relative is considered missing, not killed in action.

    Indeed, the Kiev scheme is “perfect” — money in your pocket, and losses up the chimney

    https://aif.ru/politics/world/kiev_zhzhet_krematorii_vsu_rabotayut_v_tri_smeny_szhigaya_trupy_svoih_soldat

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:52 pm

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    The United States has officially confirmed the delivery of ATACMS missiles to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    Back in October, ATACMS missiles were first used by crests.

    And now on social networks, representatives of the US mission to NATO, announcing the transfer of this type of weapon, wrote:

    ATACMS gives Ukraine the ability to launch long-range strikes, denying Russian troops a safe haven.

    Enemy forces could use an American missile to strike both military targets and civilian infrastructure. As was the case with the HIMARS MLRS.

    But our specialists are already working to repel attacks with similar weapons, and the rest of the world must see that Western countries are fighting dirty and with the hands of Ukrainians, destroying entire generations for their own profit.

    #source

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:53 pm

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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:18 pm

    ATACMS gives Ukraine the ability to launch long-range strikes
    They had longer range weapons before.

    But our specialists are already working to repel attacks with similar weapons
    Happened a while ago.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:38 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Most of Ukraine is lost.  If it wasn't they would have revolted against their leadership.  They just smelled their own farts for so long that was fed to them by the US, that now they are just only realizing that they are screwed for most part but still willingly going to go die.

    So even if Russia takes it all, it will be a long drawn out process of re-integration and denazification that they will face a ton of terrorist attacks.

    they know who most of the nazi are, there is decades of demining work to keep them busy.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:10 pm

    The Ukrainian front is currently slipping in many places. The beginning of the end?

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:43 pm

    Ukraine Battle Map claimed the following 6 hours ago then deleted it

    A Ukrainian 🇺🇦 Buk Air Defense System fully equipped with modern US 🇺🇸 Sea Sparrow air defense missiles which will be used to intercept Russian Kalibr and X-101 Cruise Missiles during their future winter mass missile attacks

    These are Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles which were developed first in 2004, they are a lot better which is why I said modern

    Also Buk missiles are from the 1980s and they can still intercept Russian cruise missiles well, it depends on the type of radar too


    Photoshop?

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:48 pm

    The forgot another reason "Save your family the cost of your cremation"

    In Kiev, military commissars began to advertise to OLD MEN inviting them to go to the front

    Leaflets appeared with slogans:

    ▪You have already lived your life - go to the front!

    ▪It's never too late to enroll in the Armed Forces of Ukraine!

    ▪Happy old age is possible. Update your data in the military enlistment office!

    ▪Age is only in your head. Join the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine!

    warhistoryalconafter

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    Post  Vympel Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Ukraine Battle Map claimed the following 6 hours ago then deleted it

    A Ukrainian 🇺🇦 Buk Air Defense System fully equipped with modern US 🇺🇸 Sea Sparrow air defense missiles which will be used to intercept Russian Kalibr and X-101 Cruise Missiles during their future winter mass missile attacks

    These are Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles which were developed first in 2004, they are a lot better which is why I said modern

    Also Buk missiles are from the 1980s and they can still intercept Russian cruise missiles well, it depends on the type of radar too


    Photoshop?

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    The photo is just a normal Buk-M1?

    That they intend to fit Buk launchers with Sea Sparrow missiles has been widely reported, it just hasn't happened yet.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:30 pm

    Front #Summary for 29 Nov 2023 by 19:05:zap:

    🔹In #Kherson Direction, the AFU still retain a foothold in #Krynki, but thanks to the actions of our units, the enemy's zone of control has noticeably decreased. During the night, AFU groups unsuccessfully tried to attack our positions from the southwestern outskirts. According to a number of estimates from the field, 300 to 400 AFU militants remain in the village. Ours are making it as difficult as possible to replenish their ranks.

    🔹In #Zaporozhye Direction, the work of artillery activity does not decrease, there is no shortage of ammunition in the AFU. Hopefully, our army has no shortage either. During the next counterattack our military pushed the AFU from a number of positions near #Rabotino. Several AFU units were defeated near #Kopani. Our troops are advancing on the #Rabotino - #Kopani line.

    🔹In #SouthDonetsk Direction, our forces continue to pressure the enemy on the outskirts of #Staromayorskoye. Also our fighters have fully occupied the forest belt to the west of the village.

    🔹In #Donetsk Direction, on the northern flank of #Avdeevka, our army has so far rested on the Coke Plant. Judging by the shift of our attacks to the north, along the railway track and the battles, with which ours are pushing the AFU away from the heap, our army does not intend to storm the territory of the Coke Plant, which has been turned into a powerful fortification. On the southern flank, in the area of #Severnoye, the Russian army took control of an important height and continues to storm the positions of the AFU, which they have occupied since the ATO. The enemy notes the activity of artillery from our side and strong air support. To date, the Russian army is aimed at maximum complication of the supply of the AFU garrison with simultaneous methodical advance.

    🔹In #Bakhmuth Direction, the news of the day is that our army has liberated #Khromovo (#Artyomovskoye). The fighting for the village had been going on since mid spring. The Wagnerians tried very hard to occupy the village in order to cut the supply of the AFU from Chasov Yar. Then they only managed to keep the supply route under fire control. Now our military is building on their success, and the forest belt to the north of the village has also been taken under control. Not so long ago the situation around the city was quite different. Our forces managed to seize the initiative and make significant advances.

    🔹In #Svatovo Direction, fighting continues near #Sinkovka. The fighters of our grouping West have entered the northern outskirts of the village. Fighting for this tiny village has been going on for a long time, but no confident control has been achieved. Now we are once again trying to gain a foothold. To the east, there are positional battles near #Kislovka, without much success so far. At #Zagoruykovka and #Timkovka, our forces are pushing the enemy back. Ours have slightly touched the front near #Svatovo, the enemy is shelling #Kremennaya in response.


    https://t.me/sitreports/18764

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:45 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Ukraine Battle Map claimed the following 6 hours ago then deleted it

    A Ukrainian 🇺🇦 Buk Air Defense System fully equipped with modern US 🇺🇸 Sea Sparrow air defense missiles which will be used to intercept Russian Kalibr and X-101 Cruise Missiles during their future winter mass missile attacks

    These are Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles which were developed first in 2004, they are a lot better which is why I said modern

    Also Buk missiles are from the 1980s and they can still intercept Russian cruise missiles well, it depends on the type of radar too


    Photoshop?

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    John, before any missiles fly, drones will hunt these systems and reveal their positions

    If they don't take the bait, the drones themselves will hit the same targets the missiles would be going for

    And if they do go for the drones, the BSF will launch kalibrs at the AD site that just lit up the drone

    This is no different than before when patriots where protecting Kiev, if not worse

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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:24 am

    JohninMK wrote:Ukraine Battle Map claimed the following 6 hours ago then deleted it

    A Ukrainian 🇺🇦 Buk Air Defense System fully equipped with modern US 🇺🇸 Sea Sparrow air defense missiles which will be used to intercept Russian Kalibr and X-101 Cruise Missiles during their future winter mass missile attacks

    These are Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles which were developed first in 2004, they are a lot better which is why I said modern

    Also Buk missiles are from the 1980s and they can still intercept Russian cruise missiles well, it depends on the type of radar too


    Photoshop?


    They just fucking lazy to hire proper artist to make proper visualization for them.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:36 am

    The Koreans get to export some of their older shells which were otherwise just accumulating dust in their ammo dumps, the Russians get some ready-to-use shells from a proven source. It's win-win for both parties.

    They also get to earn some honest cash... you can bet your backside that the CIA got some companies to approach Cuba and North Korea and Iran and India and lots of other countries they would happily sanction to death looking to buy 122mm and 152mm artillery ammo, as well as guns and vehicles and everything else they wanted to sell... pretending all sorts of things like they are buying for China or they are buying for Fiji... everything except the truth that it would all go to the Ukraine to kill Russians.

    North Korea selling ammo stocks to Russia would be good for Russia because the more shells they can use to kill Orcs and their supporters the better for the future, but it will also be good income for North Korea that will allow them to get rid of some old stocks and produce new stocks of ammo too just in case.

    I rather suspect a few North Koreans could move to Russia for a year or two to work in Russian factories and learn new production techniques with new machine tooling etc etc that they could then take back to North Korea to strengthen their production skill base... they might even have some ideas that makes Russian production better.

    I would say that after the DPRK got their nukes the need for massive conventional artillery barrages isn't as important as it used to be.

    I would say military equipment is nothing till it is tested in war, so maybe Russia should buy a few sets and give them a test... and give North Korea full feedback.

    The irony is, that US sadly achieved most of their goals in this operation, which Russia could stop only by a mass sacrifice of its soldier on the field.

    But the real irony is the severing the west from cheap resources of Russia has actually weakened the west dramatically and may end up breaking it... the US can't keep building up debt forever and printing money is now making things worse...

    It is like the 1930s and the US needs a big world war... maybe that is the plan all along.


    I would say that the tactics employed by the NAZTO Orcs , has had an influence on the Meat- Grinder tactics . I remember at first that some said " we take our time and if it takes ten years , we will grind... " But now the war is to end in 2025 ? Why ? The cost in blood and treasure by Russia . And we can not deny the role of the Orcs in this happy equation ! No , the Orcs must be eliminated ad-infinitum !

    Speculation is speculation, no one knows when this war will end, but if Putin needs to surrender to make it end now then it is not going to end now.

    In a few weeks/months we will see what weapons the DPRK will receive from Russia, just like yesterdays confirmation about the deal with Iran.

    MiG-35s and Su-35s and Yak-130s, and perhaps Mi-28s?

    Well, that is one side of the story bro.
    The other is, that they functionally broke the neck of EU, with all the aspirations applied to it.

    The EU got on the chair, stuck its head through the noose, and kicked the chair away itself... not murder... suicide.

    And the destruction of the EU gives Russia the opportunity to trade with countries that respect Russia and wont treat it like a doormat.

    United Europe that will last and secure the safety&well beeing of my children.
    And what we get instead?

    You Gots the American dream brother...!!!

    I remember saying that a drone can be designed to fly and land on rail track and plant a magnetic steel wedge along track . Do this on several points . Rail cargo stopped for a few days . Keep doing it . Rail stopped for a month or longer . War ends .

    Quicker and easier to simply target the engines that pull the trains... they are much harder to replace.

    Von der Leyen

    Is that dutch for "I am lying"?

    Also, whilst accepting the point Garry makes about allowing munitions etc through to storage points before blowing them, I don't understand why Ukraine's railways are not bogged down with blown up locomotives all across the country at the Lancet and other range limits, with double tap on the repair cranes etc. Or come to that, destruction of rail switches/crossovers (the most difficult to repair) by glide bombs, again at up to maximum range, with a double tap again on the repair crews.

    Because the train network supplies military equipment but it also keeps the civilian population fed and supplied. You really only take out the trains near the end when you want to depopulate...

    Kiev burns. Crematoria of the Ukrainian Armed Forces work in three shifts, burning the corpses of their soldiers

    A circular feel to it... the nazis had crematoriums too near the end...

    Photoshop?

    No. Those are old model long fin SA-11 BUK missiles of the type Ukraine used to shoot down that civilian airliner a few years back.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:49 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Is that dutch for "I am lying"?


    Sort of. It is "von der Luegen" in German Twisted Evil

    Regarding those Sparrows being used with Soviet systems, the case is not new. It was already linked with Kub 20 years ago, but nobody was really interested.

    And here we have something that will be hard to beat today, but you may try Laughing

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    Yes, it is what you think about. Laffets persuading pensioners to join the ranks of Ukrovolksstuhrm.

    I find it really hard to find which slogan is better!
    Is it :
    "You have lived your life! Go to front!"?
    Or
    "It's never to late to join the ranks!"?
    or
    "Happy old hood is possible! Update your data at recruiting commission!"?
    or
    "Age is only in your head! Join the ranks!"?

    Geee, that is a really hard copyrighters competition ...  unshaven

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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:15 am

    Better one would be... we wont even give you a second thought when we have run away to the west with all this money they have been throwing at us after Russia wins.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:19 am

    "You are too old to run away" has some potential, too!

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    Post  Hole Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:07 pm

    The forgot another reason "Save your family the cost of your cremation"
    All the pensions not being paid will save Zelensky a lot of money.

    MiG-35s and Su-35s and Yak-130s, and perhaps Mi-28s?
    Add some AD systems, like Buk-M3 and Tor-M2 + Pantsir-S1. Maybe S-400?

    Is that dutch for "I am lying"?
    It´s EUcratic for "I´m an old bitch".

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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:05 pm

    MiG-35s and Su-35s and Yak-130s, and perhaps Mi-28s?

    It supposed to be a russian territory so russian army will be there. There won't be any militia allowed.

    And that's certainly not a place to base su-35. Thry would be targeted on the ground and probably destroyed. Too close to the front line.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:35 pm

    Isos wrote:
    MiG-35s and Su-35s and Yak-130s, and perhaps Mi-28s?

    It supposed to be a russian territory so russian army will be there. There won't be any militia allowed.

    And that's certainly not a place to base su-35. Thry would be targeted on the ground and probably destroyed. Too close to the front line.

    He is saying, what will Russia give to North Korea (DPRK) in exchange for the weapons North Korea gave to Russia

    I don't think for artillery, Russia will give jet fighters of decent quantity

    They'd gave to give a lot of artillery for just 1 squadron of Mig 35

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:16 pm

    Looks like this lot, the State Agency for Rehabilitation and Infrastructure Development, have turned themselves into a military target for Geraniums et al.

    Zaluzhny was able to push through the decision to build defensive structures along the entire front line; we wrote that the Office of the President opposed it, considering such a step as Ukraine’s refusal of Zelensky’s strategy to return the borders to 1991.

    The Ministry of Digital Transformation and the Ministry of Defense have created a joint working group on the construction of fortifications. It is no secret that over the past 2 months the Russian army has become more active in many directions of the front; the Russian Federation is especially fiercely trying to capture Avdeevka in the Donetsk region, and in Bakhmutsky to regain lost positions.

    In this confrontation, not only weapons and equipment are important, but also well-equipped fortifications. According to all the rules of military affairs, there should be three lines of defense, but the military alone cannot cope with such a scale of construction work. Therefore, according to the head of the Ministry of Digital Development, Mikhail Fedorov, they decided to create a working group from the Ministry of Defense for the construction of defensive structures. As Fedorov clarified, he will lead the group together with Defense Minister Rustem Umerov.

    The group will work as an operational headquarters and will coordinate the efforts of the authorities and the military in matters of construction of fortifications. As Fedorov emphasized, they plan to introduce reform to define areas of responsibility.

    Thus, on the first line of defense, the construction of fortifications will continue to be carried out by military units. On the second and third line is the State Agency for Rehabilitation and Infrastructure Development of Ukraine through the involvement of private contractors. And the working group will coordinate everyone.


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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:17 pm

    Front #Summary for 30 Nov 2023 by 20:01:zap:

    🔹In #Kherson Direction, the AFU are holding on to the centre of #Krynki with their "teeth". Fierce fighting is continuing in the village, and our forces have managed to push the AFU out of a number of buildings. Amazingly, the AFU are bringing reserves to #Krynki. Their supply possibilities will improve if the #Dnieper is ice covered. Hopefully, we will be able to eliminate the AFU foothold before the frost.

    🔹In #Zaporozhye Direction, the snowfall has made the mud even more muddy. It is difficult to move forward, but our forces retain the initiative. Some more territories have been retaken from #Rabocino. We are gradually playing back the counteroffensive. The AFU does not stop attacks north of #Verbovoye. Our military is holding the line.

    🔹In #South Donetsk direction, without significant changes. Our Army continues to press the AFU on the #Priyutnoye - #Staromayorskoye line and consolidates after the latest advances.

    🔹In #Donetsk Direction, at #Avdeyevka, it is most active. Rains are expected, and if they are heavy, the fighting will certainly subside. Meanwhile, on our southern flank we came close to #Severnoye, the coverage of the village is planned. To the west, our forces are fighting for the approaches to #Tonenkoye. On the northern flank our forces are advancing towards #Novokalinovo and #Ocheretino. Fierce fighting is going on near #Stepovoye and to the west of the #Slagheap. Ukrainians are writing about our wide range of ammunition. Successes at the front are the most direct evidence of the development of the Russian military-industrial complex.

    📌 #Avdeyevka has become a powerful fortified area over 10 years. From here the AFU has been hitting #Donetsk all this time. Avdeyevka coke plant is the heart of the fortress. When our army takes control of it, the liberation of #Avdeyevka will get easier. Kiev is fighting and will fight to the last for #Avdeyevka, because from there, our army will rush to liberate the entire #Donbass. There are no seriously fortified positions up to the #Kramatorsk - #Slavyansk line.

    🔹In #Bakhmut Direction, our forces also maintain their initiative. The AFU tried to retake positions near the #Berkhovskoye Reservoir, but ours repulsed the attacks and expanded the bridgehead. There is also progress near #Bogdanovka. There is no confirmation yet that our forces have entered the village, which is well fortified. This is where the AFU withdrew from #Bakhmut in the spring. According to some versions, our idea is to pass between #Bogdanovka and #Khromovo towards Chasov Yar. South of the city fighting is ongoing near #Kleshcheyevka and #Andreyevka, with no change in the frontline. It is also not yet possible to push the AFU away from #Kurdyumovka.

    🔹In #Svatovo Direction, the AFU is expecting a Russian offensive. There are signs that ours will storm #Torskoye and #Zarechnoye, eliminating the AFU bridgehead on the #Zherebets River. In the area of #Zagoruykovka, our forces have cut into the AFU defence and are expanding their zone of control. There is fighting on the #Sinkovka - #Petropavlovka line. Our army held the lines after the enemy counterattacks, and maintained its presence in #Sinkovka. At the #Ivanovka - #Kislovka line, our forces are advancing slowly but steadily. The AFU is transferring reserves to #Kupyansk and further to #Petropavlovka and #Podoli.


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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:40 pm

    JohninMK wrote:If this is for real, Russia's response, (like for like?) will be interesting. Especially now that the Poles are blocking truck border crossings which must have increased the importance of rail freight in Ukraine.

    (also posted in Russian Railways thread)

    This was posted 50 mins ago.

    Unconfirmed Reports of Train Attack on Key Russia-China Route

    Thanks for sharing: @beerlovingguy


    Unverified sources suggest that Ukrainians targeted a freight train on a vital railway line between Russia and China. The operation, allegedly planned by the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), was said to occur in the North Muisky Tunnel in Buryatia during the night of November 29-30.

    Details of the Incident:
    Deep in Russian Territory: The North Muisky Tunnel, spanning over 15 km beneath the North Muisky Mountains, is a critical part of the Baikal–Amur Mainline, north of Mongolia.

    Explosions Reported: Sources from the "Kyiv Post" claim that four explosions took place within the tunnel as a train passed through. The route, crucial for Russian military supplies, was reported blocked after the incident.

    Current Status: The tunnel is impassable, and Russian authorities acknowledge a train fire. Security services and workers are on-site attempting repairs. The extent of the damage remains unknown.

    Official Responses:
    Silence from SBU: The Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) has officially refrained from commenting on the matter.

    Russian Confirmation:  Russian media officially report the incident, indicating that on November 29 at 22:18, a freight train caught fire in the tunnel. The cause, according to the Russian channel Baza on Telegram, was a fuel tanker, but the exact reason remains undisclosed.

    No Casualties Officially Confirmed: Russian authorities state that no individuals were harmed in the fire. Reports from "Ukrainska Pravda" suggest SBU involvement in the four tunnel explosions. The portal alleges that the SBU orchestrated the attack.

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