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Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Gibraltar- Posts : 39
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- Post n°151
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
To keep minimal blue wwter capabilities, at least 2 nuclear carriers and 4 nuclear destroyers are needed. Kirovs and Yasens will do the rest without the need of support vessels.
GarryB- Posts : 40006
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- Post n°152
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
An important part of planning and management is how much money do you have to spend, and what do you ultimately want to end up with, but also a time scale when you want to get things you need into service.
There would be no point blowing out the budget right now laying down a CVN or getting the Chinese to whack one out for them in 3-5 years... first of all they don't have the facilities free to properly dock it, the land based infrastructure does not exist for it yet, and you wouldn't have enough large ships to operate with it in the first place.
Remember in western navies the carrier is the key vessel and all the ships and subs that operate with it are there to support it.
For the Russians it is the surface and subsurface vessels that are the Navy... the carrier is just there to provide air cover and protection for those ships beyond the reach of Russian land based air power.
That means they really need to start producing those 7,000 ton Gorshkov destroyers, and those 20K ton cruisers before it even makes sense to build NEW carriers... by the mid 2030s they will need to have a new CVN in the water and likely with cats and Su-57K aircraft and some form of shipboard AWACS platform.
Their planning and production so far have not wasted their budget and are laying the groundwork getting brand new cruise and anti ship missiles operational right down to Corvette level... new AESAs and a unified battle management system are all in place and a range of brand new gun systems have entered service now too. All the components are there... to scale things up just requires new propulsion... and with 7K and 20K ton vessels nuke propulsion becomes an obvious choice, perhaps electric drive delaying things a little but making it all worth the effort... and just bigger sensors and more UKSK launchers and more SAM tubes and eventually just universal missile launch systems like UKSK-M that can carry anything... what is not to like.
There would be no point blowing out the budget right now laying down a CVN or getting the Chinese to whack one out for them in 3-5 years... first of all they don't have the facilities free to properly dock it, the land based infrastructure does not exist for it yet, and you wouldn't have enough large ships to operate with it in the first place.
Remember in western navies the carrier is the key vessel and all the ships and subs that operate with it are there to support it.
For the Russians it is the surface and subsurface vessels that are the Navy... the carrier is just there to provide air cover and protection for those ships beyond the reach of Russian land based air power.
That means they really need to start producing those 7,000 ton Gorshkov destroyers, and those 20K ton cruisers before it even makes sense to build NEW carriers... by the mid 2030s they will need to have a new CVN in the water and likely with cats and Su-57K aircraft and some form of shipboard AWACS platform.
Their planning and production so far have not wasted their budget and are laying the groundwork getting brand new cruise and anti ship missiles operational right down to Corvette level... new AESAs and a unified battle management system are all in place and a range of brand new gun systems have entered service now too. All the components are there... to scale things up just requires new propulsion... and with 7K and 20K ton vessels nuke propulsion becomes an obvious choice, perhaps electric drive delaying things a little but making it all worth the effort... and just bigger sensors and more UKSK launchers and more SAM tubes and eventually just universal missile launch systems like UKSK-M that can carry anything... what is not to like.
George1- Posts : 18456
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- Post n°153
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Russian missile cruiser makes call at port of Algiers in long-distance deployment
The visit will last several days
MOSCOW, August 26. /TASS/. The Russian Northern Fleet’s missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov has made a business call at the port of Algiers, the Fleet’s press office reported on Monday.
"The visit by the Northern Fleet’s sailors will last several days, during which Russia’s Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to the republic Igor Belyaev will come aboard the ship. Also, excursions to the cruiser will be organized for the families of the embassy’s staff and representatives of the Algerian Navy," the press office said in a statement.
Chief of Staff of the Northern Fleet’s division of guided missile ships Captain 1st Rank Andrei Saloshin and missile cruiser commander Captain 1st Rank Vladimir Kuzmin will hold meetings with the command of the Algerian Navy.
During its business call, the crew will replenish foods supplies, the press office said.
The guided missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov entered the Mediterranean Sea on August 22. The warship departed the Northern Fleet’s main naval base of Severomorsk on July 3 to take part in Russia’s Main Naval Parade in St. Petersburg on July 28. After the parade, the missile cruiser’s crew took part in the Russian Navy’s large-scale exercise Ocean Shield 2019. After it left its home base, the missile cruiser has covered a distance of about 9,000 nautical miles.
Guided missile cruisers of this type are designated to fight a potential enemy’s surface ships and provide for the combat survivability of the Navy’s forces in distant waters. The development of these missile cruisers started back in the first half of the 1970s. Overall, four warships of this type were built. Three of them are operational in the Russian Navy.
The guided missile cruisers of this Project displace 11,500 tonnes and are 186 meters long. They can develop a full sea speed of 32 knots and deploy to a range of 7,500 miles at a speed of 18 knots. Guided missile cruisers of this project feature 130mm AK-130 artillery guns, striking and surface-to-air missile systems, 30mm AK-630M small-caliber air defense artillery complexes and torpedo armament. The guided missile cruisers can carry a Ka-27 helicopter or its modification on their deck. They have a crew of up to 510 men.
https://tass.com/defense/1075086
George1- Posts : 18456
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- Post n°154
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
During the naval exercises, the military worked out the undercover withdrawal of nuclear submarines from the base point.
To achieve the goal, operational crews from radiation, chemical and biological protection created an aerosol screen while a special forces unit used grenades against the underwater sabotage forces.
The Russan Defence Ministry has published a video of the exercises on its website.
To achieve the goal, operational crews from radiation, chemical and biological protection created an aerosol screen while a special forces unit used grenades against the underwater sabotage forces.
The Russan Defence Ministry has published a video of the exercises on its website.
Isos- Posts : 11460
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- Post n°155
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
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The Black Sea Fleet's Vyshniy Volochyok Project 21631 Buyan-M small missile ship fired a Kalibr cruise missile at a simulated ship target at a range of 40km. The test fire is part of a large-scale Southern Military District exercise involving 8.2k troops.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1167472977065197569
Video in the link. Impact of the missile at the end of the video. I think it's the first time they use it. It proves Buyan can launch anti ship missiles, it was said before they couldn't because of lack of targeting radar.
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The Black Sea Fleet's Vyshniy Volochyok Project 21631 Buyan-M small missile ship fired a Kalibr cruise missile at a simulated ship target at a range of 40km. The test fire is part of a large-scale Southern Military District exercise involving 8.2k troops.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1167472977065197569
Video in the link. Impact of the missile at the end of the video. I think it's the first time they use it. It proves Buyan can launch anti ship missiles, it was said before they couldn't because of lack of targeting radar.
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 8138
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- Post n°156
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Plans on creating erkoplans with a takeoff mass of 800 tons have been created:
Erkoplans would be the perfect carrier for torpedoes and Ashms like Zircon, with the ability to fly extremely low and with the a ridiculous large payload capacity...like maybe +10-15 Zircons and another +10-15 torpedoes (a conservative weapons payload) and the rest of the payload as additional fuel.
Erkoplans would be the perfect carrier for torpedoes and Ashms like Zircon, with the ability to fly extremely low and with the a ridiculous large payload capacity...like maybe +10-15 Zircons and another +10-15 torpedoes (a conservative weapons payload) and the rest of the payload as additional fuel.
Cyberspec- Posts : 2904
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- Post n°157
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
magnumcromagnon wrote:Plans on creating erkoplans with a takeoff mass of 800 tons have been created:
I just posted the same video in the Ekranoplan thread before seeing your one
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Hole- Posts : 11011
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- Post n°158
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Amphibious assault and ASW are also possible missions. In the video the large one carried a submersible and put it directly into the water, so it could also carry a Poseidon.
GarryB- Posts : 40006
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- Post n°159
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Video in the link. Impact of the missile at the end of the video. I think it's the first time they use it. It proves Buyan can launch anti ship missiles, it was said before they couldn't because of lack of targeting radar.
Russian ships and subs and aircraft and satellites are fitted with the Sigma data sharing battle management system... a small ship doesn't need to see its target to receive target data to launch a missile... whether against an air or sea or subsea target.
Hole- Posts : 11011
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- Post n°160
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
In this case, with the target 40km away, I would say the ship used it´s MR-352 radar (under the radome on top of the mast) to detect the target. Some last solution to defend itself if all external systems fail.
GarryB- Posts : 40006
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- Post n°161
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Actually if you read the messages below the video I think it is mentioned that the original article says 40 nautical miles, which they say is more like 75km...
The point is that Corvettes and subs were used to launch missiles in Syria against ground targets over 1,000km away... they didn't use their own sensors to find those targets, and even a cruiser wouldn't have been able to detect those targets on its own... with 2,500km range cruise missiles there is no way to find targets for yourself with your own sensors whether you are a crusier, aircraft carrier, or corvette... but that is OK... that is what satellites and special forces on the ground are for.
The point is that Corvettes and subs were used to launch missiles in Syria against ground targets over 1,000km away... they didn't use their own sensors to find those targets, and even a cruiser wouldn't have been able to detect those targets on its own... with 2,500km range cruise missiles there is no way to find targets for yourself with your own sensors whether you are a crusier, aircraft carrier, or corvette... but that is OK... that is what satellites and special forces on the ground are for.
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5952
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- Post n°162
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Russian submarines out of order in Syria
https://lenta.ru/news/2019/09/05/submarine/
https://lenta.ru/news/2019/09/05/submarine/
PapaDragon- Posts : 13413
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- Post n°163
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Tsavo Lion wrote:Russian submarines out of order in Syria
https://lenta.ru/news/2019/09/05/submarine/
So they were even importing sub batteries?
Classic losers
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5952
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- Post n°164
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
The US is importing Russian rocket engines, so they r also losers!
PapaDragon- Posts : 13413
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- Post n°165
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Tsavo Lion wrote:The US is importing Russian rocket engines, so they r also losers!
And are making crapload of their own
So where are Russian batteries then?
GarryB- Posts : 40006
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- Post n°166
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
So they were even importing sub batteries?
Classic losers
Information from a website whose owner... lives in the Ukraine...
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5952
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- Post n°167
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Even if they use imported 1s, I'm sure more r in storage &/ some can be removed from other subs & flown in from Russia.
But if true, IMO they will eliminate that dependency by making their own.
But if true, IMO they will eliminate that dependency by making their own.
Isos- Posts : 11460
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- Post n°168
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
I wonder where they used to buy them ? The only country that russia could buy from are France, Germany and italy. But none of them is known for being a leader in batteries.
China is the biggest producer of batteries of all type with other asian countries. They can easily buy from them or buy a production line. It's not a high tech, it's the same batteries as in smartphones.
China is the biggest producer of batteries of all type with other asian countries. They can easily buy from them or buy a production line. It's not a high tech, it's the same batteries as in smartphones.
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5952
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- Post n°169
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Update: https://lenta.ru/news/2019/09/06/admiral/
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- Post n°170
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Tsavo Lion wrote:Update: https://lenta.ru/news/2019/09/06/admiral/
So the story was simply more of the usual pro-NATOstani 5th-column liberast fuktardery...
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- Post n°171
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Diesel-electric submarines use lead-acid batteries as do large UPS systems for computer centers. If treated correctly, such batteries
can last decades. We are not dealing with lithium batteries that can start to burn under the right conditions. Or some other
battery type like the rechargeable nickel batteries where there is irreversible capacity decline with every cycle.
Importing lead-acid batteries is a cost saving measure and not some epic security fail. There is actually an issue with lead-acid
batteries in that they emit hydrogen gas. This gas has to be properly handled in a system like a submarine. It is possible that
western batteries had superior hydrogen venting features. But that is not something that Russia can never develop by itself.
can last decades. We are not dealing with lithium batteries that can start to burn under the right conditions. Or some other
battery type like the rechargeable nickel batteries where there is irreversible capacity decline with every cycle.
Importing lead-acid batteries is a cost saving measure and not some epic security fail. There is actually an issue with lead-acid
batteries in that they emit hydrogen gas. This gas has to be properly handled in a system like a submarine. It is possible that
western batteries had superior hydrogen venting features. But that is not something that Russia can never develop by itself.
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Garry, this topic is over. The admiral stated the batteries are local.
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- Post n°173
Re: Russian Navy: Status and News #5
Russia’s first two helicopter carriers to be laid down in Crimea in spring 2020 — sources
MOSCOW, September 11. /TASS/. Russia’s first two amphibious assault ships will be laid down at the Zaliv shipyard in Crimea in May 2020, two sources in Russia’s shipbuilding industry told TASS on Wednesday.
"Two amphibious assault ships with water displacement of up to 15,000 tonnes will for the first time in the Russian history be laid down at the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch in 2020," the source said.
He added that the first helicopter carrier will be delivered to the Russian Navy before the current state armament program expires at the end of 2027.
The other source specified that "both ships will be laid down in May 2020."
According to him, the ships will be able to carry over 10 helicopters of various types and will be equipped with a dock-type chamber for landing craft utilities (LTU).
"The development of technical specifications of the new ships has entered the final stage. Once they are ready, in coming months, an agreement will be signed to build the helicopter carriers," he said.
TASS has been unable to officially confirm the information, provided by the sources, at the time of the publication.
The Zaliv shipyard in Kerch has facilities to build vessels up to 300 meters in length and up to 50 meters in width and, therefore, can build ships with a displacement exceeding 150,000 tonnes.
Earlier, a source in Russia’s shipbuilding industry told TASS that no later than by the end of the year, the Defense Ministry will complete developing technical specifications for a universal amphibious assault ship. There are plans to build the lead universal amphibious assault ship and deliver it to the customer under the state armament program through 2027 while the work on the first serial-produced vessel will be completed before the early 2030s, the source said.
Universal amphibious assault ships, also called helicopter carriers, are distinguished by their large displacement (20,000 tonnes and more) and can carry a large group of heavy helicopters of various designation (up to 16 helicopters aboard Mistral ships and more than 30 aboard US Wasp-class vessels), and also vertical take-off rotorcraft.
Universal amphibious assault ships can carry from several hundred to over one thousand marine infantry personnel, boats and other craft for landing the assault force and transport the armor. Universal amphibious assault ships normally feature a powerful combat control system and can act as a command and control vessel for a grouping of forces.
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- Post n°174
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It make sense to build them in Zaliv (Crimea), but until a few months ago they were planning to build them in Severnaya Verf (after the modernisation/expansion), and to build bigger vessels around 24000 tons full load.
Unless these are two different class of ships (e.g Priboy 15000 tons to be built in Kerch and Lavina >24000 tons to be built in San Petersburg)...
Unless these are two different class of ships (e.g Priboy 15000 tons to be built in Kerch and Lavina >24000 tons to be built in San Petersburg)...
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- Post n°175
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It make sense to build them in Zaliv (Crimea), but until a few months ago they were planning to build them in Severnaya Verf (after the modernisation/expansion), and to build bigger vessels around 24000 tons full load.
Unless these are two different class of ships (e.g Priboy 15000 tons to be built in Kerch and Lavina >24000 tons to be built in San Petersburg)...
Priboy is out of the equation now when they got new Ivan Gren going so they will most likely be working on Avalanche or something similar
Helicopter carriers are big but compared to large surface combatants they are not as complex so Zaliv could do it. They do need to start hiring more personnel if they want to beaver away at something this big however...
MoD is probably keeping St. Petersburg on the bench so they could give them Super Gorshkov-class to work on, those are much higher priority ships
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