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    Russian Navy: Status and News #5

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    Post  Isos Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:52 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Priboy is out of the equation now when they got new Ivan Gren going so they will most likely be working on Avalanche or something similar

    The articke says it will be 15000 tones so you're wrong.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:09 am

    The articke says it will be 15000 tones so you're wrong.

    Well who can say... that multi hull design that was 45K tons with slightly better capacity than the Kuznetsov which is a 60-65K ton ship... such a design that is quite wide would be ideal for a ship with a dock to operate landing ships or hovercraft or whatever.

    Offtopic posts moved to this thread:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7943-rant-about-russia-and-its-lack-of-action-in-defence-of-serbia-kosovo

    Further discussions regarding failure or otherwise of Russia with regard to Serbia directed there please.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:09 am

    Russian Navy may lose blue water status
    https://lenta.ru/news/2019/09/26/havy/
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    Post  George1 Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:01 am

    Missile corvette Smerch rejoins Russia’s Pacific Fleet after upgrade

    https://tass.com/defense/1081216
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:40 pm


    Look who is outside finally, upgraded Project 12418 Molonya missile ship:

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/125966/

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    Final appearance CG:
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    Post  walle83 Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:00 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Look who is outside finally, upgraded Project 12418 Molonya missile ship:

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/125966/

    Russian Navy: Status and News #5 - Page 8 C2RlbGFub3VuYXMucnUvdXBsb2Fkcy8zLzMvMzM3MTU3MTU5OTc4Ml9vcmlnLmpwZWc_X19pZD0xMjU5NjY=



    Final appearance CG:
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    A totaly new superstructure? Nothing like the first ships.
    Russian Navy: Status and News #5 - Page 8 Two_Project_12418_missile_boats_to_be_handed_over_to_Russian_Navy_in_2021-2022
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:05 pm


    They had two incomplete hulls in good condition sitting around since Soviet days so they decided to complete them with off-the-shelf equipment

    No big hassle, quick and simple

    There will only be two ships in this sub-class, it was all about not throwing good metal away

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:29 pm


    Russian Submarine May Test New Weapons Off Norway This Week

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2019/10/26/russian-submarines-to-test-new-weapons-off-norway/#7d106c54248c

    Sierra-class, maybe Kalibr missiles

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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:06 pm

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    Starting with the Pacific Fleet's naval base in Vilyuchinsk, Kamchatka, Russia will start building new armored shelters for its Project 955 Borei, Project 885 Yasen, Project 636 Varshavyanka, and Project 677 Lada-class submarines.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:32 am

    Always good to see them expanding land based infrastructure...
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    Post  dino00 Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:38 am

    Source: Russia plans to build stealth corvettes from radar absorbing materials

    The TASS interlocutor noted that the radar visibility of the ship will be 15 times less than that of analogues made of metal

    "KGNTs together with the central marine design bureau" Almaz "developed a preliminary design of a promising corvette with a hull and a superstructure made of carbon-based radar absorbing composite materials," the agency’s interlocutor said.

    He noted that "the radar visibility of the ship will be 15 times less than that of analogues made of metal, the range of its detection with locators will decrease by 50-70%, with thermal imagers - by20%."

    In addition, the source added, the corvette, in comparison with metal counterparts, will be able to carry a large payload of 20% of the displacement. The interlocutor specified that the maximum displacement of the corvette in the framework of the sketch was laid at 1000 tons. The project number of the future ship and its name
    have not yet been determined.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/7095861

    Karakut-M? yes sir
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    Post  George1 Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:02 pm

    Russia starts moving Ukrainian warships seized in Kerch Strait - source

    https://tass.com/politics/1089661
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:33 pm

    Not sure if this has been posted anywhere here.


    Naval News
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    Russia will build armored shelters for its SSBN SSGN and SSK. They will defend the #submarine from bombs, missiles and even a nuclear strike



    Story by TASS // Russian Defense & Technologies Newswire

    The construction of shelters will begin this year in Vilyuchinsk base of the Pacific fleet in Kamchatka, sources in the Defense Ministry said. In 2020, the construction will begin in Northern fleet deployment bases near Severomorsk.

    A sophisticated facility comprising a mall and a berth is already under construction in Vilyuchinsk. They both create a wet dock. The reinforced concrete erection is 50 meters high. The shelter will protect submarines from adversary strikes and natural calamities.


    https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/11/russian-navy-to-build-armored-shelters-for-its-submarines/
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    Post  Isos Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:37 pm

    Already posted in Borei thread by me.

    The shelter will protect submarines from adversary strikes and natural calamities.

    Depend what strikes. Cruise missiles have the ability to penetrate a good amount of concrete. But it will be good against asymetric strikes like drones.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:04 pm

    Isos wrote:Already posted in Borei thread by me.

    The shelter will protect submarines from adversary strikes and natural calamities.

    Depend what strikes. Cruise missiles have the ability to penetrate a good amount of concrete. But it will be good against asymetric strikes like drones.
    Thanks.

    Also good to stop prying eyes in the sky.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:11 am

    Actually you also posted in this thread in post number 89 above, but it was a small comment with less detail, so both are fine.

    Depend what strikes. Cruise missiles have the ability to penetrate a good amount of concrete. But it will be good against asymetric strikes like drones.

    Being a submarine base I would suspect more than a couple of air defence SAMs would be located nearby... the penetration of a cruise missile or other munition is greatly diminished by being shot down before reaching the target area. Even just a TOR or Pantsir battery could turn penetrating munitions into fireworks displays.

    Also good to stop prying eyes in the sky.

    Even just for morale operating in a modern protected facility will have a effect on the crew and people manning the place.
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    Post  Hole Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:56 am

    You can also store Poseidons in that shelters and launch them under cover.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:05 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Even just for morale operating in a modern protected facility will have a effect on the crew and people manning the place.

    No snow/ice/rain/wind etc allowing work on the outside of the hull all year. No waves! Even presumably a bit of central heating from the reactor cooling system outflows.

    Perhaps they should start designing in (if not already there) electrical power outlets from the subs so their reactors can power the building with 'free' energy. Very environmentally sound Laughing
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    Post  Isos Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:53 pm

    Perhaps they should start designing in (if not already there) electrical power outlets from the subs so their reactors can power the building with 'free' energy. Very environmentally sound Laughing

    Actually one sub can power a medium city of 40k people. Typhoon could potentially power Moscow lol1

    Their retired nuclear ships can be refueled and send in African, south american or asian ports to sell electricity.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:10 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Perhaps they should start designing in (if not already there) electrical power outlets from the subs so their reactors can power the building with 'free' energy. Very environmentally sound Laughing

    Actually one sub can power a medium city of 40k people. Typhoon could potentially power Moscow lol1

    Their retired nuclear ships can be refueled and send in African, south american or asian ports to sell electricity.

    Refuelling a nuclear submarine is very expensive and time consuming. If it is only for power generation it would be probably easier and cheaper to build a few more floating nuclear power plants (like the Akademik Lomonosov) and send them with a tugboat.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:02 pm

    Joint naval exercises of Russia, Iran and China will be the beginning of the end of American hegemony in the Persian Gulf
    https://inosmi.ru/military/20191206/246381467.html
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:05 pm

    Looks like that ocean-going corvette touted by Krylov a while back won't be getting built

    Russian Navy: Status and News #5 - Page 8 Corvette%20kryl

    http://mil.today/2019/Navy42/


    Designing of New Russian Ocean Corvette with 24 Caliber CMs Shelved

    The matter of beginning the substantive work on the ocean-zone corvette concept proposed by the Krylov State Research Center (KSRC) in 2017 is set aside to the mid 2020’s, an informed industry-related insider told Mil.Press Today.

    "Due to lack of funding and already mastered production of Project 20386 corvettes, the decision on the ship concept proposed by KSRC will be made in the end of the current arms procurement program", said the source.

    Concept project of the corvette-class multipurpose ship was developed by the KSRC’s surface combat ships advanced engineering department. It combines mighty attack weapons (24 Caliber vertical launch systems) and excellent navigability, helping to operate the corvette in the ocean zone. To compare, Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov-class frigates carry only 16 Caliber cruise missiles.

    As envisioned by the corvette designers, the ships must be produced in a large series using assembly modules. The latter will speed up production process.

    An insider in the Almaz Design Bureau said the KSRC concept could not compete with the bureau’s projects: "Naval science develops independently; the scientists’ know-hows are used when the real ships are on the slipways. For example, hydrodynamics. The hull shape calculations are normally adjusted even after trials in the KSRC basins". The interviewee was skeptic about implementation of the concept.

    Valentin Belonenko, director of the KSRC’s surface combat ships advanced engineering department and the corvette project designer said the Russian naval mariners had familiarized with the ship’s concept. Also, he shared that some technical solutions emerged in the project had been already used in designing of one of the Russian Navy’s most recent ships.
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    The advanced corvette displaces 2,000-2,500 tons. The ship’s air defense is ensured by 16 long-range and 32 short-range SAMs. In addition, it is armed with an automatic gum mount and 30-mm six/twelve-barreled rapid-fire antiaircraft systems. As of antisubmarine and anti-torpedo weapons, the corvette has two 324-mm 4-sectioned torpedo tubes Paket-NK. Attack arms are represented by 24 cruise missiles Caliber. Designers say this number can be increased, if needed.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:56 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Looks like that ocean-going corvette touted by Krylov a while back won't be getting built...

    Anyone who saw the design knew about it long ago



    ...."Due to lack of funding and already mastered production of Project 20386 corvettes, the decision on the ship concept proposed by KSRC will be made in the end of the current arms procurement program", said the source....

    Focusing on Mercury-class for corvettes, this is good news



    ......It combines mighty attack weapons (24 Caliber vertical launch systems) and excellent navigability, helping to operate the corvette in the ocean zone. To compare, Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov-class frigates carry only 16 Caliber cruise missiles....

    Gorshkov-class currently built has 24 cruise missiles and is proven to have no issues operating in ocean zone during circumnavigation this summer



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    Post  flamming_python Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Anyone who saw the design knew about it long ago

    That is certainly true
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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:22 pm

    Gorshkov has also 32 redut. What air defences would a corvette carry if it carries 24 cells for kalibr ? What room will be left for crew confort ? 24 kalibr takes huge space.

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