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More likely a converted Ohio for tomahawks missiles.
Isos wrote:More likely a convertef Ohio for tomahawks missiles. They are pretty old ships good aginst 3rd world countries only.
Any better source oher than that homemade video ?
kvs wrote:Isos wrote:More likely a convertef Ohio for tomahawks missiles. They are pretty old ships good aginst 3rd world countries only.
Any better source oher than that homemade video ?
And your theory that there is a whole spectrum of Ohio class submarines with some "noisy, but not important" subset
is pulled straight from your anus.
Those are the first ohio build and they are old.
A delta 3 sub wont do better against the last arleigh burke build with last sonars and in a closed sea.
The fact he insults shows only his low IQ and doesn't give any tone to his answer.
Sounds like this incident from 2018kvs wrote:It appears that Admiral Essen was chasing a US Ohio class strategic nuclear submarine for two hours in the Mediterranean Sea in the spring of this year.
He is attacking the message and not the messenger...
Whereas you called him a troll... if I was to talk harshly and send someone to the naughty step it would have to be you based on the rules of this forum... I would probably put him on the step right next to you for provoking, but how about we all man up.
hoom wrote:Sounds like this incident from 2018kvs wrote:It appears that Admiral Essen was chasing a US Ohio class strategic nuclear submarine for two hours in the Mediterranean Sea in the spring of this year.
https://www.russiadefence.net/t2029p625-project-11356-admiral-grigorovich#231460
If I recall it was during the US lead up to 'retalliation' for the Douma false-flag (see recent OPCW leaks).
The thing is that he attacks anyone who may say anything "bad" or most of the time real about russia that hurts his pro russian feelings. Not his first time. So yeah its a troll. He may just use words like "you are wrong, I disagree".
Just say Ohio are not the hardest targets to track and asked for a better source than a yt video.
The Ohio is not new but to suggest it is not a hard target is exaggeration... it is their primary SSBN and as such should be orders of magnitude quieter than their SSNs... its just is to leave port and run away and hide in a location where it can launch its missiles... in the case of SSBNs that is over 5,000km away from their target... that makes them exceptionally hard targets.
American fanboys they are the only game in town until they put a replacement in the water of course... which they haven't.
They didn't replace them because their main threat, USSR was gone and Russia stoped patroling the areas were the ohios patrol. They were safe no matter what.
They are 40-20 years old. That's huge. Even Russia replaces its SSBN with something new and they are from the same period as Ohio. After spending so much time in water the sub doesn't act like when it was brand new specially in terms of stealth. Just like f-22 lose their stealth when spending some time outside.
Grigorovitch carries the latest sonars produced by Russia. Put the two in a small part of the mediteranean and grigirovitch will track it farely better than a new build Borei or Virginia class.
USSR had krivak frigate to track them. Grigorovitch is the modern krivak with latest tech. If krivak could threat them, then it should be an easy job for Grigorovitch.
They are working on a new SSBN because Russia (and China) are getting more and more assets that can track them. And looking how Virginia are made it won't be better:
I also note that one of the priority areas is the creation of non-nuclear submarines with an air-independent power plant and the further serial construction of diesel-electric submarines"...
there r plenty of targets in RF reachable by IRBMs/CMs from Europe, Korea & Japan + surface ships from the surrounding seas.The next gen US SSBN is going to have serious problems because the Russians are seriously raising the bar...
no, there r plenty of cities with over 1M population; 10 of them r in the European part & the Urals. Note that the sixteen largest cities have a total population of 35,798,844, or roughly 24.4% of the country's total population.There are only a limited number of things in the RF worth attacking so therefore only a certain number of things worth defending too.
d_taddei2 wrote:Not a big loss but still better to scrap than leave it as a potential environmental problem
DEC 15, 09:11Updated 09:25
The sunken and surfaced submarine in Sevastopol is disposed of
The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine that was in it were decommissioned for more than 10 years, the press service of the Southern Military District said
A decommissioned B-380 Black Sea Fleet sunken with a floating dock, which then surfaced, is preparing to be towed to the disposal site, the Southern Military District Press Service information department told reporters.
"Currently, technical work is underway to prepare for towing to the disposal site. The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine, which was in it, were decommissioned from the fleet more than 10 years ago and must be disposed of," it was reported.
According to a TASS correspondent, the floating dock PD-16 remains above the water only a quarter of the surface part, while the submarine inside the dock turned over on its side. Only the upper part of the floating dock remained above the water - about 2 meters. This is not more than a quarter of the height of that part of the structure, which in a normal position is above the water.
Submarine B-380 remains in the dock. She is lying on her side. Around work auxiliary vessels. The embankment of the South Bay near the dock is patrolled by the military police. In particular, its employees prohibit taking pictures of the bay.
The PD-16 floating dock - a pontoon metal structure for repair of submarines, destroyers, minesweepers, support vessels with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons - was laid down in 1938 and, according to a TASS source in emergency services of Sevastopol, went under water in its South bay on the night of December 15th. The dock for many years under repair was a large diesel-electric submarine of Project 641B Som B-380 (formerly the Gorky Komsomolets), which, since the spring of 2016, has been included in the tender of the Ministry of Defense for disposal
https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/7350509
kvs wrote:d_taddei2 wrote:Not a big loss but still better to scrap than leave it as a potential environmental problem
DEC 15, 09:11Updated 09:25
The sunken and surfaced submarine in Sevastopol is disposed of
The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine that was in it were decommissioned for more than 10 years, the press service of the Southern Military District said
A decommissioned B-380 Black Sea Fleet sunken with a floating dock, which then surfaced, is preparing to be towed to the disposal site, the Southern Military District Press Service information department told reporters.
"Currently, technical work is underway to prepare for towing to the disposal site. The floating dock PD-16 and the hull of the submarine, which was in it, were decommissioned from the fleet more than 10 years ago and must be disposed of," it was reported.
According to a TASS correspondent, the floating dock PD-16 remains above the water only a quarter of the surface part, while the submarine inside the dock turned over on its side. Only the upper part of the floating dock remained above the water - about 2 meters. This is not more than a quarter of the height of that part of the structure, which in a normal position is above the water.
Submarine B-380 remains in the dock. She is lying on her side. Around work auxiliary vessels. The embankment of the South Bay near the dock is patrolled by the military police. In particular, its employees prohibit taking pictures of the bay.
The PD-16 floating dock - a pontoon metal structure for repair of submarines, destroyers, minesweepers, support vessels with a displacement of up to 5 thousand tons - was laid down in 1938 and, according to a TASS source in emergency services of Sevastopol, went under water in its South bay on the night of December 15th. The dock for many years under repair was a large diesel-electric submarine of Project 641B Som B-380 (formerly the Gorky Komsomolets), which, since the spring of 2016, has been included in the tender of the Ministry of Defense for disposal
https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/7350509
1938! That is a freaking long time for any steel structure in salt water without proper maintenance. Russia is experiencing
a large burden from from long-past-use date structures that were not replaced due to the endless economic turmoil. With the
current plateau of stability, they can hopefully catch up with all the needed rebuilding.
If they had no intention of scrapping should have just dragged it out to sea and test fired a missile on it.
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