Russian Navy: Status and News #5

Isos wrote:  

Whats the deal with the Kerch? After the fire in 2014 it just sits there, not getting repaired, laid up or getting ready for scrap.
Whats the story there?

I suspect that the RuN doesn't know what it wants yet regrading the Kerch.  She's an unmodernised Soviet-era cruiser so her weapons and sensors will be obsolete, plus she's a one-of-a-kind.  Not really worth upgrading, and probably not repairting given her limited combat capabilities.

They have better things to spend money on so will leave her tied up at wharf and thereby defer both a final decision and funds for breaking.

Maybe they will turn her into a museum ship?

Big_Gazza wrote:I suspect that the RuN doesn't know what it wants yet regrading the Kerch.  She's an unmodernised Soviet-era cruiser so her weapons and sensors will be obsolete, plus she's a one-of-a-kind.  Not really worth upgrading, and probably not repairting given her limited combat capabilities.

They have better things to spend money on so will leave her tied up at wharf and thereby defer both a final decision and funds for breaking.

Maybe they will turn her into a museum ship?

Funny enough she is about 5 years younger then the destroyer Smetlivy but never recived any kind of modification to talk about. Gessing that after the Ochakov fiasko the navy wasnt so willing spending more money on a Kara-cruiser.

Intresting fact is that after the Kirovs and Slava cruisers she is actually the largest surface warship in the Russian navy today.

Big_Gazza wrote:I suspect that the RuN doesn't know what it wants yet regrading the Kerch.  She's an unmodernised Soviet-era cruiser so her weapons and sensors will be obsolete, plus she's a one-of-a-kind.  Not really worth upgrading, and probably not repairting given her limited combat capabilities.

They have better things to spend money on so will leave her tied up at wharf and thereby defer both a final decision and funds for breaking.

Maybe they will turn her into a museum ship?

That is the plan apparently. Read that at least one engine is fairly new and will be salvaged.

They look like canisters holding inflatable life-rafts.

Yeah, they are life rafts... standard on Russian and Soviet military vessels...



from here:

https://www.marineinsight.com/marine-safety/life-raft-on-ships-a-general-overview/

(scroll down the page for the above image...)

The map would have rather more impact if all the new Russian and Chinese activity centred around those cable locations but it clearly does not.

They are clearly pulling this shit out of their ass... how can we get politicians who don't give a shit about what we think is important to care?

We can't make it about money because we want them to spend a shit load more money on the services we provide, so lets make it about some national security thing... so either communications or nuclear weapons... lets go for communications...

The huge irony is that any extra money given will just get us closer to more direct confrontations and aggression from the west which might lead to their hoped for nuclear conflagaration... which is going to lead to lots of nuclear explosions that will do more to effect world wide communications than anything the Chinese or Russian navies are actually doing.

In this case the crime of the Russian and Chinese navies that requires lots and lots of taxpayers money is that they are sailing in international waters... I mean have you guys even looked at that map... what do the dots mean... is each the terminator in a Russian and Chinese patrol where they stopped there and observed western shipping and naval activity? Or are they multiple points on what are clearly Russian and Chinese ship related trips to south America in the Pacific and Russian trips to Cuba and Venezuela in the Atlantic... would would equate to normal commerical and military interests and therefore nothing out of the ordinary requiring extra funding or action.

The green lines are the World's undersea cable network.

Jebus chribes US has become unbelievably orwellian  
Correlation != causation.
And random Iran! and Best Korea! wtf.

Ships and cables take the shortest route OMG whodathunkit.

It is really paranoia because for most of the cold war the west sent secret missions with subs to tap in to under sea cables used by the Russian military to communicate with its allies and fleet, so being total they just assume Russia and China will do the same to them... except the volume of western traffic on those cables would require enormous amounts of computing power... humint is much more effective... like Assange and Snowden, who reveal to the world all the dirty secrets of the west, not for money or loyalty to the Kremlin, but based on actual western values of right and wrong they know western governments are doing wrong and want the world to know because they think their might be a backlash and things will get fixed... the reality is that as long as things are going OK most westerners don't give a fuck.

Very simply to become a millionaire or billionaire you need to have screwed a lot of people and also avoided a lot of bad people who wanted to take what you had... you can't become a billionaire and be a good person.... give me a billion dollars and I would be a millionaire in months... I would be buying expensive equipment for the local hospital and paying off peoples debts, giving money to people over 30 years old who still work in minimum wage jobs... I don't know how people can spend 10,000 dollars on a fucking watch... mine cost $13... and it works fine.

Kerch Officially Retired

On the morning of February 15, 2020, in a festive atmosphere, in accordance with the order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation No. 812 on the large anti-submarine ship "Kerch" of project 1134B, serial number C-2003 of 1974 of construction was lowered a naval flag. The ship was part of the 30th division of surface ships of the Black Sea Fleet, and is now transferred to the category of military property of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It is worth noting that this is the last ship of this series - project 1134B / BF code "Berkut-B". In August 2011, the Ochakov PKK of project 1134B was also excluded from the Black Sea Fleet (today its corps continues to remain off the coast of Lake Donuzlav after participating in the operation to return Crimea). The BCP “Kerch” went through a glorious military history, I will not describe many of its campaigns and military services completed before 1990, but I would like to say more about the last years of the ship’s life. The last exit of the ship to the far sea zone took place in November 1998 when he paid an official visit to France, after which all tasks were solved in the Black Sea. From 1994 to 1997, the ship was the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. In the period 2000-2010, he took an active part in the exercises and maneuvers of the Black Sea Fleet. In 2005, a scheduled repair was carried out in Novorossiysk whose entrance was eliminated by many comments. Beginning in September 2014, a gradual repair of the ship’s armament began, but the tragic event (November 4, 2014) resulting in the burning out of a large area in the engine room with damage to the stern of the ship determined its future fate. After the fire, the ship underwent dock repair, after which it was put on a regular place in Holland Bay. In 2015, the commission of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, assessing the damage and the further inexpediency of restoring the ship, concluded that it was withdrawn from the fleet. Beginning in August 2015, the ship was withdrawn from the design team of the Navy with the further disbandment of the crew. Subsequently, a gradual dismantling of the ship at its own pier began. Part of the armament was dismantled and sent to some museums in Sevastopol. He served 45 years as part of the Navy BPC “Kerch”! About 220,000 nautical miles have been covered during this time. This was the last BOD, which is part of the Black Sea Fleet, now only one rank 1 ship remains at the Black Sea Fleet - the Nakhimov Order of the GRKR “Moscow” whose service life is extended until 2030.