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Big_Gazza wrote:Hopefully Kerch will now be retired as a museum ship, given that she is the last of her kind?
For the same reasons I'd like to see the Pr.61 Smetlivy also retired to museum duty when her time comes (yeah, the class would continue for awhile in the INS Rajput & sisters, but it ain't the same...).
PapaDragon wrote:Kerch will be getting scraped
Big_Gazza wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Kerch will be getting scraped
Day-um...
The 1134 Kresta I and 1134A Kresta II are gone without trace, and now the 1134B Kara... I grew up with these ships, looking at them in fuzzy B&W pics in books and magazines. Its sad to see them vanish without trace like so many other great lines have previously.
Oh well, I'll cheer up once the Nahkimov gets underway on her first combat mission post-rebuild.
kvs wrote:Russia is diseased with 5th column saboteurs. I smell rot in the decision to scrap...
kvs wrote:It actually costs money to scrap ships so why the hurry?
kvs wrote:Big_Gazza wrote:PapaDragon wrote:Kerch will be getting scraped
Day-um...
The 1134 Kresta I and 1134A Kresta II are gone without trace, and now the 1134B Kara... I grew up with these ships, looking at them in fuzzy B&W pics in books and magazines. Its sad to see them vanish without trace like so many other great lines have previously.
Oh well, I'll cheer up once the Nahkimov gets underway on her first combat mission post-rebuild.
Russia is diseased with 5th column saboteurs. I smell rot in the decision to scrap. It actually costs money to scrap ships so
why the hurry?
That is a shameKerch will be getting scraped
Isos wrote:Rob Lee
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Vedomosti reports that the Amur Shipbuilding Plant (ASZ) may receive an order for 10 Project 20380 corvettes, valued at 180 billion rubles, for the Pacific Fleet. It would be the largest such order in Russian history, and may be signed in 2021.
Price similar to grigorovich, half of Gorshkov, as far as I remember having read in an article posted in this forum a few years ago.Isos wrote:They are faster and cheaper to build. I guess they will keep money for Gorshkov.
Gremyashy are over expensive, price close to a Gorshkov.
well, the 2 gremyashy (20385) built for the russian navy have been supplied with russian (kolomna) diesel engines (the same one on the base 20380), so I do not see why they could not do the same on new ships, unless there are not some limitations (e.g. lower speed or reliability due to the increased size of the ship 20385 are about 1,5 m longer and 300 tons heavier than 20380 according to public available data)...PapaDragon wrote:Gremyashy class hit the wall due to imported engines, they will not be building any more of them
With updated radars only difference between Gremyashy and Stereguchy is UKSK and extra endurance none of which are vital for Pacific because they will be used predominantly for guarding White Sea bastion from hostile subs which neither requires UKSK nor endurance, everything is close by and well within range of coastal aviation and missile batteries
PapaDragon wrote:
Mercury class uses completely new fully local engine which is not compatible with Gremyashy nor Stereguchy classes
...i meant that it is possible that a part of the ten ships will be Mercury class and not 20380
PapaDragon wrote:...i meant that it is possible that a part of the ten ships will be Mercury class and not 20380
Highly unlikely
Mercury is brand spanking new design, it's basically a test bed for new systems and propulsion and it still has ways to go before it's certified for serial construction
Also Pacific shipyards aren't qualified to build something like Mercury yet
12* Redut with a radar thats known to be inadequate at even quite short range vs 32* 40km Pantsir with tailored 4-face AESA.Replacing Redut with Pantsir is idiotic
Redut is fully fledged AA system, Pantsir is point-defence
If they need Pantsir that badly they can replace AK-630 with it
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