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ALAMO wrote:What makes me wonder, is the official status of this ship
If there are some issues behind it, this ship would be useful only for own ports transportation, or really close allies like Syria, or strong partners like China etc.
In any other port, it could have been registered.
We'll see.
PapaDragon wrote:ALAMO wrote:What makes me wonder, is the official status of this ship
If there are some issues behind it, this ship would be useful only for own ports transportation, or really close allies like Syria, or strong partners like China etc.
In any other port, it could have been registered.
We'll see.
It's a military ship, no registration needed plus it would only be used in friendly ports anyway
The Ukraine is free to try to seize it back, it would be interesting to watch
ALAMO wrote:What makes me wonder, is the official status of this ship
If there are some issues behind it, this ship would be useful only for own ports transportation, or really close allies like Syria, or strong partners like China etc.
In any other port, it could have been registered.
We'll see.
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, still, that makes me wonder. ALAMO wrote:Never heard of registering a navy ship
Remember "the good 90s"?
When Russians were forced to hide the equipment brought to aviation salons, because some Swiss-based company was running like crazy around, trying to make sequestration of all the goods due to some unresolved lawsuits?
Can't remember now, if that was applied to the private property of exhibitors, not being WWS boards?
This is why I consider its legal status.
A trophy? A war prey?
Probably nothing will happen, those are not 90s anymore
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Turkey may prevent it out of the black sea as part of the sanctions. They don't consider it as russian but ukrainian.
This is why I consider its legal status.
A trophy? A war prey? Laughing
Probably nothing will happen, those are not 90s anymore
But if that ship goes into the waters of a country that doesn't recognize Crimea as part of Russia for exemple after an accident and has to go there, it won't be given back to Russia but to Ukraine.
That ship was ukrinian and was never given by ukraine so it's a stolen ship.
The only reason Russian discussed the return of Ukrainian stuff from Crimea was to get a better publicity/image, and because all of t hem presented a scrap metal value.
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GarryB wrote:
They did, which means the Ukraine clearly did not choose to take ownership of the vessel, so it is abandoned.
) when 2014 happened. It is not their job to determine ownership of transiting ships
perhaps with the Mistral the Russians should have just mounted a special forces attack on the CdG... lets not be silly...
Abandoned equipment not in working order.
They did, which means the Ukraine clearly did not choose to take ownership of the vessel, so it is abandoned.
Isos wrote:
Still Ukrainian... Russia has no right over Ukrainian ships even if they are abandoned
ALAMO wrote:Isos wrote:
Still Ukrainian... Russia has no right over Ukrainian ships even if they are abandoned
I would not be so sure about that, as there are civil laws in every country that regulates the status of abandoned possession
As f_p mentioned, it is a brain exercise only, still interesting.
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GarryB wrote:WOW! 8 UKSK (64 cells) is massive strike power for a warship, even more firepower than Arleigh Burke-class. So project 22350M will be Russias new destroyer.
We can't be sure that these are not just heavy frigates... corvettes are getting bigger and clearly frigates are too, but I rather suspect their Destroyers will be impressive... as will any new cruisers they lay down.
Isos wrote:PapaDragon wrote:ALAMO wrote:What makes me wonder, is the official status of this ship
If there are some issues behind it, this ship would be useful only for own ports transportation, or really close allies like Syria, or strong partners like China etc.
In any other port, it could have been registered.
We'll see.
It's a military ship, no registration needed plus it would only be used in friendly ports anyway
The Ukraine is free to try to seize it back, it would be interesting to watch
Turkey may prevent it out of the black sea as part of the sanctions. They don't consider it as russian but ukrainian.
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AMCXXL wrote:Turkey will not do anything because it is an Anglo-American thing to bother Russia.
The ship could be transferred to the Pacific Fleet, no Asian nation is going to care about the problems of Russia and Ukraine.
Also in the Pacific Fleet there are only three pr.775 Rapucha and one old Alligator pr-1171, which needs replacement, sending the previous Ukrainian ship there may be the best option.
Big_Gazza wrote:AMCXXL wrote:Turkey will not do anything because it is an Anglo-American thing to bother Russia.
The ship could be transferred to the Pacific Fleet, no Asian nation is going to care about the problems of Russia and Ukraine.
Also in the Pacific Fleet there are only three pr.775 Rapucha and one old Alligator pr-1171, which needs replacement, sending the previous Ukrainian ship there may be the best option.
Even if it stays in the Black Sea, that is fine too. It will simply be ear-marked for the future amphibious landings to liberate Kherson or Odessa when the time finally comes to stick a dagger through the heart of the Ukro-nazi Banderite scum and tear their corrupt despotic feudal state down around their ears
Russia seized more than 50 ships, most of them being auxiliary. That should put the thing to a proper perspective, too.
There was an agreement signed in April 2014 for the condition of ships' return, and most of them have been returned - officially.
Only 15 or so remained because Russia suspended its return due to Donbas conflict escalation in 2016.
Not much changed by now I guess
If Ukraine officially sue Russia over that shop, it won't go any day from the black sea.
Still Ukrainian... Russia has no right over Ukrainian ships even if they are abandoned
I doubt Ukrinian agreed to give a ship to Russia during the crimean crisis.
Well, they weren't abandoned they were seized there is a difference. Russian naval troops seized the base and didn't let anything go. Not like the Ukies went "you can have this" it was "So here is the deal, we are taking over the base and all your ships are staying right here". When you seize a base you are seizing everything around and in at the same time.
The 22350 "frigates" are classified as a 1st rank ship, this is a destroyer or "ship of the line" not a frigate, using the common and NATO classification.
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JohninMK wrote:Another St Petersburg ship on the 25th Navy Day.
The "Soviet Union" still under her own power. Quite a sight!
I think it must be, all 4 were supposed to have been scrapped in the 40's before they were complete.Isos wrote:
Is it a photoshop ? Never seen pictures of this ship.
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Isos wrote:Is it a photoshop ? Never seen pictures of this ship.
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