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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:18 pm

    Ha ha... funny you mention it but the Losharik is a 2,000 ton sub with nuke propulsion... but it is a deep diving sub and I don't think it is armed.

    If it was an armed sub you would use the power of the nuclear propulsion system to increase armament which would make it rather bigger and heavier of course.
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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:25 pm

    GarryB wrote:Ha ha... funny you mention it but the Losharik is a 2,000 ton sub with nuke propulsion... but it is a deep diving sub and I don't think it is armed.

    If it was an armed sub you would use the power of the nuclear propulsion system to increase armament which would make it rather bigger and heavier of course.

    What for ?

    Taking a small submarine as a basis for a SSN is stupid. Even if it was nuclear at the begining. Just design it from scratch.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:37 pm

    Krepost wrote:The TARANTUL class ship Shuya that has received the PANTSIR-M.
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    Wasnt tarantul receiving kh35??
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:44 pm

    Why add Pantsir-M to a Tarantul that only carries the P-15 Termit? Suspect It must be useless by now against any NATOista warship, limited only to taking down civvies.
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    Post  Krepost Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:01 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Why add Pantsir-M to a Tarantul that only carries the P-15 Termit? Suspect   It must be useless by now against any NATOista warship, limited only to taking down civvies.

    No worries. There are more than enough ship-based, shore-based and aircraft-based missiles to sink the one or two major NATO warship present at any given time in the Black Sea.
    For everything else (including the mighty 404 Navy), the Termit is just fine.
    In case of a war, the Termit will most likely be used against land based targets (it has a dual role).
    The Pantsir is to protect against the incidental aerial threats (manned or unmanned).
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    Post  franco Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:12 am

    Not sure if it's this craft but there was one used as a trial platform for the sea Pantsir.

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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:26 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Why add Pantsir-M to a Tarantul that only carries the P-15 Termit? Suspect   It must be useless by now against any NATOista warship, limited only to taking down civvies.

    Termit was used on export versions.

    It is 4 Moskit mach 3 missiles for russian Tarantul... it can take out a cruiser.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:35 am

    Yes Gazza is wrong on this one, P15 termit is in export version, and Crimea uses P15 in the Utyos coastal defense system

    Moskit is a good missile, but 16 Kh35 with 500km range seems better for the targets hel be gunning for

    But then again moskit is called the sunburn for a reason
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    Post  Krepost Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:29 am

    Big Gazza is not wrong.
    That vessel with Pantsir-M has indeed the Termit.
    And it is not the only Russian Tarantul class ship that has Termit.
    Most have the Moskit, a few have the Termit. None of them is the export version.
    The export version of Tarantul has simpler search radar and other downgrades. And yes, they are armed with Termit as well.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:09 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes Gazza is wrong on this one, P15 termit is in export version, and Crimea uses P15 in the Utyos coastal defense system

    Moskit is a good missile, but 16 Kh35 with 500km range seems better for the targets hel be gunning for

    But then again moskit is called the sunburn for a reason

    Utyos uses P-35 not P-15. It is another level.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:48 am

    That's 7 so only 133 more to locate Smile

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    Post  Mir Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:29 pm

    franco wrote:Not sure if it's this craft but there was one used as a trial platform for the sea Pantsir.

    This Tarantul2 boat (R-71)  has been used as a trails ship in the 90's for the Kashtan system as well. Then numbered 952.
    Now it's 962 with the Pantsir.
    One Tarantul3 was also used as a trails ship for the Palma system.

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    The Tarantul2's was basically used to attract foreign interest back in Soviet days.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:52 pm

    Don't tell me that the tubes in her stern are for torpedoes Laughing
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    Post  Mir Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:01 pm

    Top Secret >> It was for the grandmother of Poseidon! pwnd
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:55 pm

    Mir wrote:
    franco wrote:Not sure if it's this craft but there was one used as a trial platform for the sea Pantsir.

    This Tarantul2 boat (R-71)  has been used as a trails ship in the 90's for the Kashtan system as well. Then numbered 952.
    Now it's 962 with the Pantsir.
    One Tarantul3 was also used as a trails ship for the Palma system.

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    The Tarantul2's was basically used to attract foreign interest back in Soviet days.

    Good ole' Kashtan, aka 'Chestnut' made ships tougher nuts to crack. They say during Christmas/winter it's really good to roast chestnut's on a open fire......Ironically enough 'Chestnuts' are really good at roasting HATO aircraft when it opens fire! Twisted Evil attack

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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:17 pm

    This ship may have been designed to used Kashtan so it has place for the reloader.

    But for the other ships that use only the ak-630 we don't really know if they could be modernized with a Pantsir system, unless if they want to have only ready to launch 8 missiles.
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    Post  Mir Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:53 pm

    I don't think they have any intention to mod any of the Tarantuls with Pantsirs - just using this single boat for trails. They would rather incorporate the Pantsir into newer designs like the Karakurt.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:01 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Don't tell me that the tubes in her stern are for torpedoes Laughing

    Those are exhausts for the turbines, used when it runs a full speed.
    An additional profit is the fact that the gases mix with water splash/particles, which lowes the heat signature.
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    Post  Mir Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:08 pm

    He is just kidding around Alamo Wink
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:11 pm

    I am pretty sure, already tasted John's taste of humor Laughing
    But it might not be such obvious for other readers, you know thumbsup
    Plus never miss a chance to play a smartass! geek angel Wink

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:13 pm

    Mir wrote:He is just kidding around Alamo Wink
    I wasn't, genuine question but I did wonder if there were where was the engine Smile

    It really is a lot of firepower in a small package, something our Western blue water navies turn their noses up at, just look at the new RN frigates, no AShM!!!.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:23 pm

    John,
    This type has two tracts for exhaust gases actually.
    One is a standard pipe via mast, two of them, just above the engine room.
    It works for a cruising speed.
    As soon as you go high, the catches in a back should be opened, and the exhaust gases go there, mixing with water mist.

    This is a bloody chaser, goes up to 47kts, probably even faster if you are in a real need and do not care the stress.
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    Post  Mir Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:24 pm

    I wasn't, genuine question but I did wonder if there were where was the engine
    My bad then! Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:31 pm



    Laughing

    And one more thing I have not noticed earlier.
    This piece obviously uses P-21/22/27 missile system, so the concern about upgrading with AD is valid IMO.

    This is how 3M82 version looks like.

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    But there is a catch.
    When we are talking SSN-2 Styx, we should be aware of the fact, that the name is misleading.
    The very same tubes can host P-15, P-15M, P-21. P-22 or P-27 missiles. You can't distinguish.
    From P-15M, the missile has increased range, a flight path lowered to 25m, and you can have it with either IR or AR seeker. Till today, the missile is being in production in China as a Silkworm. The missile has a very potent warhead and can be effectively used against any transport vessel, land target, or any less potent naval threat.
    I will surprise you, but a long time ago, when PN introduced the very first OHP frigate, they checked the new skills and potential and figured out that ... no PN ship can fight P-21 another way than AK630 at the final approach. SM1 turned to be just the same useless.

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    Post  George1 Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:09 pm

    Warships of the main classes of the Russian Navy as of 01.02.2022

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