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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Mar 07, 2023 8:04 am

    March 7, 01:52

    Large landing ship "Alexander Shabalin" will return to the Baltic Fleet in autumn
    In mid-April, the ship will go to mooring trials, said Vladimir Maltsev, head of the All-Russian Fleet Support Movement.

    MOSCOW, 7 March. /TASS/. The Project 775 large landing ship (BDK) "Alexander Shabalin" will return to the Baltic Fleet after repairs and modernization in early September. This was reported to TASS by the head of the All-Russian Fleet Support Movement (DPF) Vladimir Maltsev.

    "In mid-April, after repair and modernization at the Kronstadt Marine Order of Lenin Plant (KMOLZ), the ship will go to mooring trials. Factory sea trials are scheduled for the summer with transfer to the fleet in the first decade of September," he said.

    At the beginning of March KMOLZ celebrated 165 years since its founding.

    Over the years, the plant, which was conceived to "correct the steam fleet", "corrected" more than 10 thousand ships and vessels for various purposes. Among them are the first domestic battleships, the first seaworthy destroyer "Vzryv", the cruisers "Aurora", "Varyag", the battleships "Sevastopol", "October Revolution", destroyers of the "Novik" type, submarines, icebreakers "Ermak" and "Krasin" and many others.

    The plans include the first scheduled repairs of Project 20380 missile corvettes of the Baltic Fleet, the first of which was the Steregushchiy corvette, the lead ship of the series built at Severnaya Verf (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, like KMOLZ).

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17209057

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:37 pm

    I absolutely do not trust the Russians anymore when it comes to the navy.
    Many years have passed and not a single submarine of project 971M ("Leopard" is first) is operational, not a single submarine of project 949AM (K-132 "Irkutsk" is first) is operational, nor is the modernization of "Nakhimov" close to being finished. The pace of construction of 885M submarines has dropped horribly, which is not the fault of Sevmash, but the lack of money, and probably SMO influenced that money to be transferred to the army and partly to the VVS. The Russians don't even have diesel engines for the fucking 22800 corvettes, so they're late too. BOMBASTIC statements are being made about the future production of 22350 and 22350M frigates.
    The truth is one and it is painful - the Russian Navy will be even smaller than it is now.
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    You need a beer bro for sure Very Happy
    I will be in Oradea soon, maybe you can jump in? welcome

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:33 pm

    Bro, I felt even last year that the Russian Navy was deliberately sacrificed by the Russian state and MOD, and only two keels were laid for two 20385 corvettes and 2 diesel-electric 677 submarines.
    Therefore, there was no laying of keels for frigates and SSN/SSGN submarines.
    There are no reports on the modernization of the "Leopard" and "Irkutsk" submarines, except for some "sources that TASS always writes are not official".
    Loads of crap and empty promises as the Russian Navy shrinks and shrinks.
    Speed ​​of building 885M submarines - drastic drop.
    The speed of construction of 22350 frigates is a mockery and is not even up for debate.

    If someone thinks that the future of the Russian Navy is submarines 636.3, whose project documentation is over 40 years old, and submarines 955A "Borei", then I don't know what to write to such people. Only those two projects are being built at a solid speed, although the 885M project is the most important. The Russian Navy is realistically in bad shape and I don't see how the Russians plan to replace over 10 project 971 submarines and 2 945A submarines. Not to mention that a total of 15 project 971 submarines were built, as well as 4 titanium 945 and 945A. Therefore, I do not count 949A submarines, but only submarines that are currently active; 10 project 971 submarines (15 built), 2 project 945A submarines (two more 945s in reserve), as well as 2 671RTM(K). You see, that's why I get a headache when some forum members write that the construction of submarines is going "great"...

    The Russian Navy is a mere pile of cans compared to the Chinese Navy. I dont give a **** bro, I always write what I think.
    The same is happening more and more with the Air Force - the gap is widening.
    They haven't been able to modernize one freaking project 20380 corvette for years now while the Chinese are churning out destroyers like hotcakes..
    Russia is no longer able to compete with China in anything except for those fucking SSN/SSGN submarines that they are not building fast enough.



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    Post  lancelot Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:01 am

    They are building enough Yasen submarines to replace the 949A. The Yasen is basically as capable as it.

    As for the lack of construction capacity of nuclear subs, Sevmash was upgraded to large block construction. Laika is expected to be the first submarine which will take advantage of this. This means Sevmash will be able to churn out submarines way faster than it used to. Also once Yasen-M and Borei are taken care of, they will be able to basically devote all the construction capacity they have to the attack submarines. They built new facilities to handle composites and titanium at Sevmash so those are also likely going to be used on the Laika.

    As for the frigates the main bottleneck was the lack of production capacity of the M90FR gas turbine engines and reduction gear. Now they seem to be able to build at least enough power units for a frigate per year, and it is likely production will ramp up. Already there is talk they will sign a contract to build frigates at Amur shipyard for example once they finish the corvettes there.

    As for the corvettes, ever since Amur got the hang of making those ships, the production rate has gone up quite a bit. The corvettes will have to fill in for the frigates while they aren't available in numbers. The Project 20380/5 are basically light frigates so they are way more capable than the larger ships they replace anyway.

    My main gripe with engines is how they never managed to put the D500 engine into production. It is dumbfounding how the government did not fund this program properly years ago. So now there basically is an engine prototype which they can make in single units but they cannot build it serially, and good luck getting the tools to make it right now. All the company wanted was a firm contract. They could have just ordered the engines ahead of time and put them in a shed. It would have been better than this.

    The M70FRU gas turbine is also nowhere to be seen because the government did not order any. Another stupid decision since this could either be used to build more Zubr hovercraft or be used as a replacement for the coupled Zvezda diesels.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:38 am

    It is like most things in construction, you have to plan and prepare, and right up until it is nearly finished it looks chaotic and messy, but when it is completed and the place is cleaned up and is polished up and looks shiny... that is when the job is half done because then you have to test it.

    Most shipyards are already very busy, they want commercial ships and military ships all at the same time they are upgrading and improving the shipyards... it is incredibly complex and you are dealing with each individual shipyard which is run by different people... some might be keeping up to date and be using state of the art management and design methods, while others have not been trained for that and doing it how they know how to do it.

    On the internet it is easy... cram as many UKSK and Redut launchers on every ship and then put two more of each in each vessel, but that adds problems and costs and totally ignores what they want from each vessel.

    These new ships are fully multirole so they might be used for anti sub or anti ship or a range of other roles... having dual purpose weapons like guns is a plus in that regard, especially as new functions can be added simply by developing new ammo, and the same can be said for the UKSK launcher... a new drone system could be launched from such tubes and used during peace time instead of the helicopter... saving money yet still getting the job done.

    During war time you might use a combination of the helicopter and a drone where the drone goes in close while the Helicopter sits further back and monitors what happens to the drone...

    They have a lot of difficult choices to make and things are not amazing in some areas, but actually are amazing in others... when you have a corvette that could nuke land targets from 5,000km range, or sink a carrier group using hypersonic anti ship missiles, then you are not doing too bad.

    They have not made hundreds but they don't need and can't afford hundreds.... if you get the production tempo wrong you will have expensive upgrades to small shipyards making Corvettes that work for 4 years and then are not longer needed because they will have enough corvettes and those small shipyards are too small to make bigger ships... how many fishing boats do you think Russia needs?

    It all needs to be carefully planned so as many shipyards as possible (preferably all) are upgraded to modern standards with modern tooling and construction methods with modern materials, they have five different fleets with very different outlooks and problems that might need two or more different corvette types, and perhaps even two frigate types, because such vessels are small and it is hard to make them fully multifunction.

    Destroyers and Cruisers should be OK and will likely mostly be used in the two main fleets of the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet... the Baltic fleet will be surrounded, but also a nice capability to attack the EU from that direction too, while the Black Sea Fleet will be good for communication and links to ships in the Med but looking north for enemies and south for allies there...

    I don't think the Baltic would need lots of big ships, perhaps frigates at best, and the Black Sea might have a Destroyer as a flagship, with mostly Frigates as the bulk of the force, while the Northern and Pacific fleets might have 8-10 destroyers each and maybe 4 -6 cruisers each...

    Previously the Baltic Sea and Black Sea fleets were important because they were close to the EU which is where a lot of Soviet and Russian interest and trade has been, but Russia needs to stop fixating on the west and start looking to the rest of the world... central and south america, africa, asia... even the middle east... there are lots of countries in the middle east who are based on energy exports that are going to have to shift to other models or they will fade away as the use of fossil fuels scales down in the west.

    There is no reason why they can't invest the money they make from fossil fuels to find new incomes with different energy sources that are cleaner... and it is something Russia is trying to do too anyway.

    My main gripe with engines is how they never managed to put the D500 engine into production. It is dumbfounding how the government did not fund this program properly years ago.

    They have limited funding and everyone wants money and they need it now and if they spend this money now they will save 100 fold over what it will cost later...

    The fact is that they don't need to pump out thousands of new corvettes or any type of ship, and if they did it would cost way too much and leave them with other problems like where to base them, how to man them... there is no money left to arm them with the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of missiles they can carry...
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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:42 am

    LANCELOT
    They are building enough Yasen submarines to replace the 949A. The Yasen is basically as capable as it.

    Are they building enough of them?
    Lancelot, there is NO excuse for the K-564 "Arkhangelsk" submarine being under construction since March 2015 - 8 full fucking years. 8 YEARS and its not lauched.
    Submarine "Perm" has been under construction since July 2016, which is also close to 7 years.
    If that's fine with you, then calculate that NONE of those two submarines will be operational for the next 2,5 to 3 years. For example, for the submarine K-571 "Krasnoyarsk", the keel was laid in July 2014, while it was launched in July 2021 - and it is still undergoing testing, but the construction in boathouse lasted 7 years, while "Arkangelsk" has been under construction for a full 8 years. .
    The submarine "Khabarovsk" (project 09851) is still in construction from the Stone Age, of course I'm joking, but it has been under construction since July 2014. THERE IS NO EXCUSE, construction is slow and inefficient.
    The money was transferred to construction of the 955A "Borei-A" submarines, the construction of which is proceeding at a solid speed, because probably the funds have been redirected to them.


    The problem of all this is not SEVMASH, which has 30,000 workers, but the problem is money. It's easy to lay a keel for a ship or a submarine, it's all a media ceremony, but it's quite another when you see that one freaking SSN/SSGN submarine has been under construction for 8 freaking years.
    I don't have the nerve to write about frigate 22350, and that's proof enough of how frivolously Russia treats its navy. What were the Russians waiting for from 1991 to 2014 to even allow a future Nazi creation to affect their fleet construction? Why didn't they work on the project of new Russian gas turbines that would replace those of the Ukroshitstan company "Zorya-Mashproekt" for over two fucking decades? THERE IS NO EXCUSE, LANCELOT, it's not your fault and mine, it's a huge fault of a country that has a third-rate navy compared to the US and China. Russia's ONLY advantage over China is SSN/SGN submarines, but the question is for how long. And the second thing is that you have a total of 9 submarines 885 and 885M, if it is proven that "Ulyanovsk" is not 09853 submarine after all, then I ask you WHEN AND WITH WHAT WILL RUSSIA REPLACE 971 and 945A submarines.
    In the best case scenario, Russia will have 9 885/885M submarines in 2030, while all other submarines, except for the "Gepard" submarine, will have over 35 years of operational status. I can't even think about the reliability of those old submarines. And now I ask you; is the construction of SSN/SSGN submarines going well or not? The Russians seem to be consciously sacrificing the last strong component of their navy.
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    Post  lancelot Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:45 am

    The Yasen and Borei take roughly the same time to build. Around 7-8 years. Now this is a lot more time than it used to take back in Soviet times. Back then they could build a single engine attack submarine in 4 years and a twin engine Oscar in 5 years. Beats me why it takes longer to build the Yasen and Borei. But the fact is it does. The only reason the Borei-A is coming out more regularly is that the pipeline is more full so to speak. It also takes a long time to build, but they started building it a longer time ago than the Yasen-M.

    Like I said, I expect the Laika to be way faster to build because it is supposed to use large block construction. Laika will be the replacement for Project 971.

    Then again it takes the UK 9-11 years to build an Astute class submarine with block modular construction. So who knows.

    I agree that it was a mistake in retrospect to rely upon foreign components like engines for the naval sector. They wanted to save time using pre-existing engines and they ended up wasting time.

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:45 am

    I think realistically the navy usually is target of cost cuts. Russia doesnt have a 200 billion a year + defense budget. Expecting Russia to churn out equipment beyond its means is not realistic. But I agree particularly with navies that cost cuts short term create major long term headaches or even a major crisis. The most important naval vessels are the SSBN and SSGN fleets. I agree that yasen should not be sacrificed even during major conflict.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:30 am

    Russian navy strength is in its submarine fleet. So they wont cut those. They are more likely to expand them while cutting certain other programs for surface fleet.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:34 am

    I would sacrifice building ships like the Universal Landing Ships of Project 23900. I would sacrifice both frigates and corvettes, I would sacrifice everything for the sake of building SSN/SSGN submarines. The whole fucking world knows that those submarines are the most effective fighting forces of a navy, that is, the navy that has those submarines. I'm honestly not comfortable watching empty promises on the Russian media and desperate construction results year after year.

    Yes, the Russians are building 636.6 submarines year after year at a solid speed, but this is an old project that does not have an AIP and is realistically an outdated submarine compared to the latest Chinese and European non-nuclear submarines. The reason is the same again and it is about the lack of money to finish that AIP plant. And the story is always the same, the navy always suffers.

    The Russian fleet probably won't have a serious amount of large-displacement surface warships in the near future, so we can forget the "fairy tales" about destroyers, we can probably forget about the 22350M frigates, etc. Aircraft carriers will also remain out of Russia's reach. Nothing bothers me more than the fact that the fucking K-564 "Arkhangelsk" has been under construction since March 2015 (full 8 years) while "Khabarovsk" has been under construction since July 2014..

    If it is necessary to give all the money to the Sevmash shipyard, then let it be done that way, because the fleet of surface warships of Russia has no chance in a conflict with the NATO pact anyway.

    Sepheronx hit the bottom line, which is that funding should be cut from all other projects for the sake of SSN/SSGN submarines. Projects like 23900, 22350 are money pits whose production is not going at an efficient pace. The same applies to the landing craft that are built in Yantar shipyard.
    And what will the landing ships do to Russia anyway, where will the Russians disembark? OK for the Black Sea Fleet and possibly the Baltic Fleet, everything else is an unnecessary waste of money.
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    Post  lancelot Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:20 pm

    Both LHDs together probably cost less than a single attack submarine. And they are being built in a shipyard in Crimea which cannot build nuclear submarines. They are basically not taking any resources out of the submarine program.

    The only place where you might build attack submarines is the Amur shipyard but that would require you make it stop building frigates and corvettes and possibly spend even more time retooling it. And they got to the pretty good at building corvettes while they were lousy at building attack submarines.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:36 pm

    lancelot Today at 2:20 pm

    They are big ships and counting the helicopters they need to carry the price will not be low by any means, but yes, I also think that the price of an 885M submarine is higher than the price of a 23900 ship. In any case I think these three active 885/885M submarines cost more than all the Su-35S aircraft built for the Russian VVS which speaks volumes for what a beast the 885M submarine is. I did not mean the complete suspension of the production of corvettes and frigates, but that priority should be given to 885M submarines. Compared to all other platforms, whether surface warships or submarines, nothing Russia is building is EVEN CLOSE to the Project 885M submarines.
    And let me add that I am of the opinion that the problem is not that only Sevmash builds nuclear submarines, but I am convinced that the problem is insufficient funding. That is all.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:39 pm

    The price of the 885M shows how advanced and complex nuclear submarines are. They are more expensive than LHD or destroyers.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:55 pm

    To Arrow...

    But the number of SSN/SSGN submarines must be increased.
    Yes, there is no dispute that the 885/885M submarines are more efficient than the much more massive 949A, but the number of 9 such submarines by 2030 is not impressive at all.
    The reason for this is the necessity to replace the "workhorses" of the Russian submarine fleet, namely the 971 and 945 submarines.
    I think that the Russians have all the necessary technology (everything has already been tested on "Yasen-M") to build a new SSN/SSGN submarine whose displacement would not exceed 10,000 tons of underwater displacement. I think it is quite enough to reduce the underwater displacement of the submarine by a little more than a quarter compared to the 885M submarine and the same amount of weapons carried.

    The Russians have experience with the construction of submarines, and the only thing necessary is regular financing.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:10 pm


    Yes, the Russians are building 636.6 submarines year after year at a solid speed, but this is an old project that does not have an AIP and is realistically an outdated submarine compared to the latest Chinese and European non-nuclear submarines. The reason is the same again and it is about the lack of money to finish that AIP plant. And the story is always the same, the navy always suffers.

    I would say you are not speaking from knowledge or understanding but shiny new assumptions.

    The Kilo submarine is still the quietest of all the Chinese vessels.

    AIP is barely functional on most submarines and a very basic form that GarryB has explained multiple times.  AIP is to try and give a diesel submarine the submersible levels of a nuclear sub in terms of longevity.  There is no reason why they bother with it when they have SSGN's to handle that.  Kilo is a coastal submarine to protect Russian waters, not for endurance and reaching far away.

    I would say you better get more informed then spew nonesense.

    Good day.

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    I also read your comment about "end of life" of an Oscar class sub.  There really is no such thing.  Like many of the older Kilo submarines and pretty much most of Russia's vessels, they always undergo a midlife upgrade or overhaul to either extend the life of it or give new life to it. Oscar II was given an additional 20 years for 3 of them from updates. Possibly floating test platforms. But still.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:24 pm

    The Russians did plan to go the AIP same as other countries are doing now while the project 636.3 was only a temporary solution until the project 677 submarines were completed. No project 949AM submarines are still operational just as no project 971M submarines are operational. This speaks volumes for how ineffective the modernization of those submarines is, which have not been operational for over 10 years and are undergoing modernization with no end in sight. There is no justification for such a situation.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:29 pm

    The Plan for AIP wasn't the Kilo submarines though.  And what was tested was questionable at best.  AIP is fantastic for nations with a lackluster of a submarine fleet that cannot produce or lack production or acquisition capabilities of nuclear submarines.  So they want to be able to get Nuclear submarine like capabilities in terms of submersion longevity while being cheap.  Rather pointless for a coastal, shallow water submarine.

    Belgorod is the only of the upgraded vessels as used for testing purposes.  We do not know the full extent of the plan.  Do not forget, last few years there is hush hush now on actual development of Russian systems.  This was evident on T-90AM until it became clear during the war of where its development is at.  They will get what they need.  And so far they ordered decent amount of Borei's and Yasens.  If they plan to order more or move onto a new one, then that is up to them.  They do well enough in what they get.  They are limited to what shipyards available to do the job.

    Then again, I don't take much emphasis from a Serbian on what a Navy should look like. Much like a Canadian.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:12 am

    The whole point if AIP is to get nuclear power performance from a sub that does not cost as much as a nuclear powered sub.

    The irony is that the first AIP subs probably cost more than nuclear powered subs but at a fraction of the performance.

    The US doesn't make them at all because they don't have any conventionally powered submarines.

    Japanese experience of AIP subs is that it actually is simpler and cheaper to just replace all the AIP equipment and systems and replace them with extra batteries.

    Most importantly the weapons you sub carries and its sensors are vastly more important than its ability to remain underwater for three weeks at a time.

    Who cares how long you can remain submerged and quiet if you can't detect anything and your weapons are weak.

    The Kilos and Ladas have excellent weapons and are being updated all the time with new missiles and torpedoes and the sonar sensors on the Lada class are second to none.

    They planned to use AIP but despite being rather more powerful than western systems it still wasn't good enough so the first three Lada class SSKs were not fitted with it.

    They wont fit it till it improves performance.

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:42 am

    and cost.
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    Post  Kiko Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:15 pm

    Russian submariners will receive three nuclear and two diesel submarines, 03.18.2023.

    MOSCOW, March 19 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Navy will be replenished in 2023 with five newest submarines at once - three nuclear-powered and two diesel ones, after repair and modernization, two more nuclear-powered submarines will return to service. In addition, as Alexei Rakhmanov, general director of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), told RIA Novosti, it is planned to conclude state contracts for the construction of new series of submarines.

    The Russian submarine fleet is celebrating its 117th anniversary on Sunday. The holiday Day of the Submariner was approved in Russia in 1996 by order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy. The date of March 19 was set to commemorate the separation of submarines in the Russian fleet into an independent class of warships, which was formalized by decree of Emperor Nicholas II in 1906.

    The rate of delivery of boats is growing

    In December last year, Sevmash reported that they were optimizing the method of factory testing of nuclear submarines of the Borey-A and Yasen-M projects being built at the shipyard. This will save more than 600 million rubles and speed up the delivery of ships.

    In turn, Rakhmanov said that work to reduce the construction time for new nuclear submarines is ongoing. USC seeks to reduce the construction slipway period by sending more saturated blocks to the slipway, from which the ship is assembled.

    "Now nuclear submarines are being built for about seven years, the task is to reach six. These plans should be implemented by 2028. The new construction deadlines will apply to ships that will be laid down in 2027," Rakhmanov said.

    Such indicators will be achieved thanks, firstly, to a number of technological solutions, and secondly, due to the debugging of production processes during serial construction. So, from the lead ship to the first production ship and from the first production ship to the second, the labor intensity of the standard hour is reduced by 20 percent, and then by 10-12 percent.

    Atomic Refresh

    A landmark event in 2022 was the transfer to the Navy of the unique Belgorod research submarine of project 09852 in July. The Belgorod is the first experimental submarine carrier Poseidon with a nuclear warhead. Work continues on the nuclear submarine "Khabarovsk", which will already be a regular carrier of "Poseidons". Its delivery is planned for this year. There is very little official information about these submarines.

    In December 2022, the Generalissimo Suvorov Project 955A (Borey-A) strategic nuclear submarine, the third ship of an improved design, armed with Bulava ballistic missiles, entered the Navy.

    On the same day, another Borei-A was launched - the Emperor Alexander III, which should replenish the Navy after completion and successful testing until the end of 2023.

    Submarines of project 955 "Borey" and modernized 955A "Borey-A" belong to the fourth generation of nuclear submarine missile carriers, are armed with 16 Bulava ballistic missiles and are designed to solve the problems of strategic nuclear deterrence.

    At the moment, the Navy has six such submarines: "Yuri Dolgoruky", " Alexander Nevsky ", "Vladimir Monomakh", " Prince Vladimir ", "Prince Oleg" and "Generalissimo Suvorov". Three more 955A boats are at different stages of construction at Sevmash: "Prince Pozharsky", " Dmitry Donskoy " and "Prince Potemkin". According to Russian President Vladimir Putin , they will replenish the combat strength of the Navy in the coming years.

    The new strategic cruisers are designed to replace the legendary Soviet boats 667BDR ("Kalmar") and 667BDRM ("Dolphin") in the fleet. It is assumed that they will be withdrawn from the fleet by 2030. By this time, it is planned to hand over the ninth and tenth Boreas to the fleet.

    According to Rakhmanov, in 2023 the fleet will also be replenished with the Krasnoyarsk multi-purpose nuclear submarine of project 885M Yasen-M, and in 2024 - with the same type Arkhangelsk.

    Yasen-M is a modernized version of Project 885. Yaseni are armed with Kalibr and Oniks cruise missiles, and in the future it is planned to equip them with Zircon hypersonic missiles, mass production of which will begin in 2023. The Russian Navy now has one boat of project 885 and two of the upgraded 885M. Another six upgraded Ashes - Krasnoyarsk, Arkhangelsk, Perm, Ulyanovsk, Voronezh and Vladivostok - are at various stages of construction.

    According to Rakhmanov, in addition to building new ships, the repair and modernization of boats of previous projects continues. Thus, last year the Russian Navy received the modernized Tambov nuclear submarine, and this year the Leopard multi-purpose nuclear submarine will return to the fleet.

    The future of diesel

    The main type of diesel-electric submarines (DEPL) that enter the Russian fleet are the Varshavyankas of project 636.3. This project was created on the basis of the Soviet submarines of project 877. The Varshavyankas received new electric motors and the ability to launch Caliber and Onyx missiles.

    Earlier, the Black Sea Fleet received a series of six new diesel-electric submarines of this project. Submarines were actively used in the Syrian operation to strike militant targets from the Mediterranean and Black Seas . As part of a special operation in Ukraine , the Black Sea "Varshavyanki" deliver regular strikes with "Caliber" on the military and critical Ukrainian infrastructure. A similar series should be built in 2024 for the Pacific Fleet.

    At the end of 2022, the Navy received a new diesel-electric submarine "Ufa" of project 636.3 "Varshavyanka". Project 636.3 Mozhaisk and Yakutsk boats will be completed for the Pacific Fleet this year and next.

    Earlier it was reported about plans to build a similar series of six "Varshavyanka" for the Baltic Fleet, but the laying of additional boats for the Baltic is currently unknown.

    This year it is also planned to hand over to the fleet the diesel-electric submarine " Kronstadt " of the new project 677 "Lada". Now the head boat of the St. Petersburg project is serving in the Northern Fleet. Another boat of the project, Velikie Luki, is being completed at the Admiralty Shipyards , two additional Ladas were planned to be laid down in 2022, but this did not happen last year. Initially, the contract for the construction of these boats was signed between the Ministry of Defense and USC back in 2019, and the laying was planned for 2020.

    The command of the Navy has repeatedly made attempts to complete the construction of Project 636 submarines and move on to the construction of fourth-generation boats of Project 677 Lada. However, due to constantly arising problems, this decision was postponed.

    As a result, only in 2021 did the only non-nuclear submarine of project 677 "St. Petersburg", which was transferred to the fleet back in 2010, come out of trial operation in the Northern Fleet. The lead St. Petersburg is armed only with mines and torpedoes, the rest of the Ladas will be armed with Caliber cruise missiles.

    Earlier, the general director of the Admiralty Shipyards, Alexander Buzakov , reported that the boats of the Lada project were being built "for a long time due to problems with contractors." In addition, it was planned to equip these boats with an air-independent (anaerobic) installation (VNEU), which has not yet been created in Russia.

    Unmanned present

    According to the head of the USC, the special operation in Ukraine has once again proved that on the battlefield of the future, the main work will be carried out by unmanned autonomous vehicles of ground, air, as well as water and underwater bases.

    "For us, this trend is absolutely obvious for the next 30-40 years. We have formulated for ourselves several tasks that will allow us to use this kind of drones. For example, to search for minerals, search for and destroy the forces of a potential enemy. I will refrain from specific examples, but such the Navy already has the vehicles. Some samples of unmanned vehicles have been put into service. We have enough developments, and this is a fact," Rakhmanov said.

    He noted that the creation of unmanned maritime facilities for the Russian fleet is one of the priority areas, but at the same time it is not new for the corporation's specialists, they have been engaged in maritime drones for more than ten years. Currently, engineers are working on expanding the functional tasks of marine drones, as well as more active use of artificial intelligence elements.

    Air independent research

    According to Rakhmanov, work on the creation of an anaerobic power plant continues. On their own initiative, they are being conducted in two directions: an electrochemical generator with diesel fuel reforming (JSC Central Design Bureau MT Rubin) and a closed-cycle gas turbine engine (JSC SPMBM Malachite). Currently, the work is in a high stage of readiness. Based on the results of their implementation, technical solutions will be proposed for use in the Navy.

    Work continues with batteries that use lithium.

    "Lithium-ion batteries have increased power with the same weight and size characteristics as existing batteries. To make a decision on their use in submarines, additional studies on the safety of operation in a confined space are required," Rakhmanov said.

    The development of the Rubin Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering provides for the use of these batteries in conjunction with an anaerobic installation, which should significantly increase the combat capabilities of promising non-nuclear submarines.

    Rakhmanov noted that technically the most optimal anaerobic plant is a nuclear reactor, other options have their own risks. The development of VNEU rests on the unavailability of a number of key technological solutions, namely: storage of hydrogen on board, the use of reliable batteries using lithium, but work in these areas continues.

    In addition, the development of a compact energy source in the form of a small nuclear installation is of interest, and research is also underway in this area.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:49 am

    In addition, the development of a compact energy source in the form of a small nuclear installation is of interest, and research is also underway in this area.

    I like this idea the best to be honest... a sort of nuclear battery.

    The fuel cell that runs on hydrocarbon fuels is also interesting and could replace internal combustion engines in all land and air and sea surface vessels too as a way of using an already existing production and distribution network for fuel, without putting carbon in the atmosphere. Using petrol or diesel is a much more efficient way to carry around hydrogen than any other method.

    Perhaps some other chemicals could be develop the mimic the way carbon binds the hydrogen molecules... perhaps nitrogen or something else that is inert and could be burned in an internal combustion engine without releasing carbon into the atmosphere...
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    Post  franco Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:22 pm

    Moscow. April 17. More than 25,000 military personnel, 167 ships, including 12 submarines, as well as 89 aircraft and helicopters are participating in a surprise inspection of the Pacific Fleet, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday.

    "In accordance with your decision, a surprise inspection of the Pacific Fleet is being conducted from April 14. It involves more than 25,000 military personnel, 167 warships and support vessels, including 12 submarines, 89 aircraft and helicopters, " Shoigu said.
    According to him, "the forces and troops participating in the inspection have been put on full combat readiness, and they have started performing combat training tasks with the established restrictions. Control firing and tactical exercises are conducted with them, and issues of interspecific interaction are worked out."
    "The anti-submarine forces on duty conducted a search for submarines on the approaches to Peter the Great Bay and Avacha Bay. Naval aviation of the Pacific Fleet is dispersed at operational airfields. Aircraft of the long-range aviation Command have been relocated to advanced airfields, " the Defense Minister reported.
    According to him, "the second stage of a surprise inspection is currently being conducted. The formed group in the far sea zone makes the transition to the southern part of the Sea of Okhotsk with the tasks of combat maneuvering and opening the underwater situation."
    "The issues of ensuring the combat stability of strategic missile submarines and their readiness for the use of weapons have been worked out. A tactical air defense exercise has been launched. Naval aircraft are being used to identify the enemy, " Shoigu said.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:10 pm

    Probably to young to retire so sent to the Russian equivalent of the back of beyond Smile

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    Admiral Sergei Avakyants was appointed to a new position - he will head the headquarters in charge of military sports training and patriotic education centers

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    Post  franco Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:55 pm

    Apparently turned 65 so military career is over. Must what something to do.

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