Russian Navy: Status and News #6

RIA Novosti; 01.06.2022 (09:47)

The Pacific Fleet will be replenished with six ships by the end of the year

The Pacific Fleet will be replenished with six ships by the end of the year, including three submarines




MOSCOW, June 1 - RIA Novosti. The Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet) is waiting for a large replenishment of its combat strength in 2022: before the end of the year, three submarines, two minesweepers and a corvette will come to the fleet, the head of the information support department of the press service of the Eastern Military District for the Pacific Fleet, Captain 3rd Rank Ilya Kolesnikov, told reporters on Wednesday .

"Among the important tasks of the summer training period is the development of new surface ships and submarines that will arrive at the Pacific Fleet before the end of the year. Among them are the third submarine of project 636.3 Magadan, the nuclear-powered strategic submarine cruiser of the Borei-A project, the Prince Oleg" and the nuclear submarine of the Yasen-M project "Novosibirsk". In addition, two sea minesweepers "Pyotr Ilyichev" and "Anatoly Shlemov" of project 12700 "Alexandrite" are scheduled to enter the fleet this year, Kolesnikov said.
In addition, according to him, this year the Pacific Fleet will be replenished with the fourth ship of project 20380, the corvette "Rezkiy/Sharp", which is now undergoing mooring trials.

"The main event of combat training in this period will be the participation of the fleet forces in the strategic command-staff exercise (SKSHU) Vostok-2022," the representative of the Pacific Fleet said.

https://ria.ru/20220601/flot-1792254576.html

The dilemma of the Russian fleet: to patch or build?

I must say right away that there are only five words about Moscow. Just because now this ship will become a symbol. Only not a symbol of the Black Sea Fleet , but a symbol of what is generally happening in the Russian fleet.

The slap in the face that our fleet received with the Guards missile cruiser Moskva sinking to the bottom is just the beginning. There is no doubt that there will be a sequel, not only for me, but also for people who are much more competent.

What drowned "Moscow"? Nedoraketa comes from the seventies of the last century? Sadly. A short in the wiring? Sad. Lack of proper training for the crew? Naturally. Everything is in the complex, but the most important part lies in a slightly different plane.

"Moscow" ruined underrepair. Saving money on repairing an old, rusty, 40 year old ship. The fact that “Moscow” was in a deplorable state was written by many, but who listened to them? Those who saved only listened to themselves. And so the cruiser was patched up. Moreover, not on Zvyozdochka, where there are still personnel capable of working with such ships, but in Sevastopol, at a local plant. It is clear that Crimea needs to be loaded with orders, but...

Well, the result is logical. The patched ship, despite the promises of the Sevastopol workers that the Moscow would serve for decades, very quickly went to the bottom.

Who is to blame, who is right, as it was announced, “we will figure it out later”, that is, no one will find out the reasons. And even more so, they will not be brought to the electorate.

However, the problem is that all our ships that are over 20 years old are in the “Moscow” condition.

FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/196987-dilemma-rossijskogo-flota-latat-ili-stroit.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

franco wrote:The dilemma of the Russian fleet: to patch or build?

I must say right away that there are only five words about Moscow. Just because now this ship will become a symbol. Only not a symbol of the Black Sea Fleet , but a symbol of what is generally happening in the Russian fleet.

The slap in the face that our fleet received with the Guards missile cruiser Moskva sinking to the bottom is just the beginning. There is no doubt that there will be a sequel, not only for me, but also for people who are much more competent.

What drowned "Moscow"? Nedoraketa comes from the seventies of the last century? Sadly. A short in the wiring? Sad. Lack of proper training for the crew? Naturally. Everything is in the complex, but the most important part lies in a slightly different plane.

"Moscow" ruined underrepair. Saving money on repairing an old, rusty, 40 year old ship. The fact that “Moscow” was in a deplorable state was written by many, but who listened to them? Those who saved only listened to themselves. And so the cruiser was patched up. Moreover, not on Zvyozdochka, where there are still personnel capable of working with such ships, but in Sevastopol, at a local plant. It is clear that Crimea needs to be loaded with orders, but...

Well, the result is logical. The patched ship, despite the promises of the Sevastopol workers that the Moscow would serve for decades, very quickly went to the bottom.

Who is to blame, who is right, as it was announced, “we will figure it out later”, that is, no one will find out the reasons. And even more so, they will not be brought to the electorate.

However, the problem is that all our ships that are over 20 years old are in the “Moscow” condition.

FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/196987-dilemma-rossijskogo-flota-latat-ili-stroit.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

I thought the udaloys and Peter the great were in good condition. Its a case by case issue. **** penny pinchers though.

franco wrote:The dilemma of the Russian fleet: to patch or build?

I must say right away that there are only five words about Moscow. Just because now this ship will become a symbol. Only not a symbol of the Black Sea Fleet , but a symbol of what is generally happening in the Russian fleet.

The slap in the face that our fleet received with the Guards missile cruiser Moskva sinking to the bottom is just the beginning. There is no doubt that there will be a sequel, not only for me, but also for people who are much more competent.

What drowned "Moscow"? Nedoraketa comes from the seventies of the last century? Sadly. A short in the wiring? Sad. Lack of proper training for the crew? Naturally. Everything is in the complex, but the most important part lies in a slightly different plane.

"Moscow" ruined underrepair. Saving money on repairing an old, rusty, 40 year old ship. The fact that “Moscow” was in a deplorable state was written by many, but who listened to them? Those who saved only listened to themselves. And so the cruiser was patched up. Moreover, not on Zvyozdochka, where there are still personnel capable of working with such ships, but in Sevastopol, at a local plant. It is clear that Crimea needs to be loaded with orders, but...

Well, the result is logical. The patched ship, despite the promises of the Sevastopol workers that the Moscow would serve for decades, very quickly went to the bottom.

Who is to blame, who is right, as it was announced, “we will figure it out later”, that is, no one will find out the reasons. And even more so, they will not be brought to the electorate.

However, the problem is that all our ships that are over 20 years old are in the “Moscow” condition.

FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/196987-dilemma-rossijskogo-flota-latat-ili-stroit.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

I have never respected topwar.ru, usually garbage.
The author of this text is not well-intentioned, and it seems to me that he would spit on a special military operation, if he were not afraid for his security.
Do the Russians have problems with surface warships ? Yes, they do. But this text is rubbish. Almost all ships of the 956 "Sarych" project were withdrawn from use, though the idiot and the writer of the text do not weep for them. Most of the ships of the 956 project have long since been withdrawn from use, except for the "Ushakov" destroyer, although most of them are much younger than the same "Moscow".
First of all, neither the non-modernized destroyer of project 956 nor the non-modernized large anti-submarine ships of project 1155 have any chance against the corvette of project 20385 on the high seas. The impact of one or two anti-ship missiles 3M54 "Kalibr" or P-800 "Onyx" will blow up either of those two ships.

At least two more ships of the 1155 project will be modernized, that is, "Chabanenko" and "Vinogradov", while that modernization on "Shaposhnikov" is completed.
There is too much pathos in the text. Only "Moskva" was not modernized, while "Varyag" was modernized in 2008 and "Ustinov" in 2016. The writer obviously doesn't want to know that.


Russia has had few "first-class" surface warships in the last 10 years anyway, so the loss of "Moscow" does not change things. Russia will have 4 cruisers again, because "Nakhimov" will return to service soon. Russia's surface fleet has never been impressive and it is obvious that the emphasis is on submarines. And those cruisers of the 1144 project, such as "Nahimov" and "Peter the Great", and "Kuznetsov", are in fact the only ones that deserve the importance of prolonging the operational life. Everything else produced during the Soviet era, as far as surface warships are concerned, can and must be withdrawn from operational use by the end of the next decade.
All that is needed is that the acceleration of the construction of the frigate of the 22350 (and 22350M) project and the eternal crying for "Moscow" really doesn't make sense.

The Ustinov had a proper upgrade but the Varyag had a refit which I doubt was much better than the one with Moscow. Russia really needs to expand Admiral Gorshkov class frigate production.

lancelot wrote:The Ustinov had a proper upgrade but the Varyag had a refit which I doubt was much better than the one with Moscow. Russia really needs to expand Admiral Gorshkov class frigate production.

Yeah good luck with that. Isakov still hasn't been launched. Good luck with that crappy reduction gear production capacity.

Composition of the Northern Fleet in 2022;

TASS; 02:05

The first flight of the latest carrier-based drone will take place in 2025

Its serial production for the Navy will start in 2026, a source in the military-industrial complex said.

MOSCOW, 7 June. /TASS/. The first test flight of the latest deck-based unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) is scheduled for 2025. Its serial production for equipping the ships of the Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation will begin in 2026. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.
"The first sample of the domestic carrier-based drone will perform a test flight in three years. Serial production of the device for the Navy will begin in 2026," the agency's interlocutor said.

According to him, the preliminary design of carrier-based attack and reconnaissance drones will begin in the second half of this year, the project is scheduled to be completed in 2024. "In 2025, working design documentation will be issued and preparations for the production of devices will begin," he added.

TASS has no official information on this matter.

On January 27, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, during a visit to the new workshop of the Kronstadt company, said that the UAV production plant, which Kronstadt JSC opened in Dubna, near Moscow, would be able to produce deck-based drones and helicopter-type vehicles.

Earlier, a TASS source in the shipbuilding industry reported that the Ivan Rogov and Mitrofan Moskalenko project 23900 universal landing helicopter carriers (UDC), which are being built at the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch, will be adapted for basing strike and reconnaissance UAVs. According to him, the project 23900 UDC, in addition to basing a group of marine helicopters, will carry and control a certain number of attack and helicopter reconnaissance drones. According to the interlocutor of the agency, drones will be able to effectively provide fire support for amphibious assault, illuminate the tactical situation in the landing zone and during special operations, detect and, if necessary, eliminate low-profile watercraft.

https://n.tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14839493

This is very good news indeed! I do hope to see AEW/MP/ECM variants in that package as well.

Podlodka77 wrote:TASS; 02:05

The first flight of the latest carrier-based drone will take place in 2025

Its serial production for the Navy will start in 2026, a source in the military-industrial complex said.

MOSCOW, 7 June. /TASS/. The first test flight of the latest deck-based unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) is scheduled for 2025. Its serial production for equipping the ships of the Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation will begin in 2026. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.
"The first sample of the domestic carrier-based drone will perform a test flight in three years. Serial production of the device for the Navy will begin in 2026," the agency's interlocutor said.

According to him, the preliminary design of carrier-based attack and reconnaissance drones will begin in the second half of this year, the project is scheduled to be completed in 2024. "In 2025, working design documentation will be issued and preparations for the production of devices will begin," he added.

TASS has no official information on this matter.

On January 27, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, during a visit to the new workshop of the Kronstadt company, said that the UAV production plant, which Kronstadt JSC opened in Dubna, near Moscow, would be able to produce deck-based drones and helicopter-type vehicles.

https://n.tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14839493

Is there a rendering or data sheet about this drone?

caveat emptor wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:TASS; 02:05

The first flight of the latest carrier-based drone will take place in 2025

Its serial production for the Navy will start in 2026, a source in the military-industrial complex said.

MOSCOW, 7 June. /TASS/. The first test flight of the latest deck-based unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) is scheduled for 2025. Its serial production for equipping the ships of the Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation will begin in 2026. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.
"The first sample of the domestic carrier-based drone will perform a test flight in three years. Serial production of the device for the Navy will begin in 2026," the agency's interlocutor said.

According to him, the preliminary design of carrier-based attack and reconnaissance drones will begin in the second half of this year, the project is scheduled to be completed in 2024. "In 2025, working design documentation will be issued and preparations for the production of devices will begin," he added.

TASS has no official information on this matter.

On January 27, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, during a visit to the new workshop of the Kronstadt company, said that the UAV production plant, which Kronstadt JSC opened in Dubna, near Moscow, would be able to produce deck-based drones and helicopter-type vehicles.

https://n.tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14839493

Is there a rendering or data sheet about this drone?

Not yet, just this post from TASS.

Is it possible to transfer the Gepard class frigates through the volga-don canal? Russia needs any surface ship it has with some SAMs in the black sea.

limb wrote:Is it possible to transfer the Gepard class frigates through the volga-don canal? Russia needs any surface ship it has with some SAMs in the black sea.

Yes, it has been talked about but nothing yet.

After the expansion of the NATO bloc, the composition of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation will have to be revised

The entry into the NATO bloc of Sweden and Finland is a big problem for the RF Ministry of Defense. Soon, both shores of the Baltic Sea will legally become part of the North Atlantic Alliance, finally turning it into "NATO's inland sea." At the same time, the danger for the Russian exclave of the Kaliningrad region is increasing, and the question of the future prospects of the Russian Baltic Fleet is also sharply raised. Is it needed now at all, and if so, in what composition?

In the Soviet period, when the Baltics were part of the USSR, and our country had allies in Europe under the Warsaw Pact, the significance of the Baltic Fleet was completely different than it is now. In the event of the outbreak of hostilities against the North Atlantic Alliance, the Baltics had to restrain the activity of the NATO fleet and support the offensive of the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany on the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany. From the air, the ships would be covered by aircraft stationed, including in the friendly GDR.

Unfortunately, after the collapse of the USSR, everything changed dramatically for the worse. The Russian Federation no longer has any allies in the western direction, except for Belarus. The Kaliningrad region turned out to be cut off from the main territory of the country by the hostile Baltic states. Lithuania and Poland, surrounding it, joined the North Atlantic Alliance. The size of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation, stationed in Baltiysk, has decreased and is many times inferior to a potential enemy. The RF Ministry of Defense does not seem to be planning large-scale offensive measures deep into Europe, and there is nothing corny about it. The following figures can testify to how unequal the forces of Russia and the NATO bloc in the Baltic are.

Thus, the German Navy has 11 frigates, 5 corvettes, 19 minesweepers, 2 landing ships and 6 submarines, as well as a number of auxiliary ships. The Polish Navy has 2 frigates, 2 corvettes, 3 missile boats, 3 submarines (2 in service) and 1 minesweeper. Latvia has 8 patrol ships, 4 minesweepers and 6 patrol boats in the Baltic. The Lithuanian Navy has 4 patrol ships, 1 control ship and 2 minesweepers, the Estonian Navy has 2 coast guard ships and 3 minesweepers. The Norwegian Navy consists of 4 frigates, 6 corvettes, 6 minesweepers and 6 submarines. Denmark has 4 ocean patrol ships and 3 frigates, as well as 2 control ships.

And this is just what the NATO bloc has in the Baltic here and now, not counting the fleets of other allies, against 1 of our old destroyer of the Sarych type, which is under repair, the patrol ship Yaroslav the Wise (its brother in the Neustrashimy project) also under repair), 4 Guardian-type corvettes, 15 small missile and anti-submarine ships, 4 large landing craft, 2 small landing ships, 9 landing craft, 11 combat boats and 1 submarine.

Soon, the North Atlantic Alliance will be officially reinforced with 8 Finnish patrol ships, 6 minelayers, 13 minesweepers and 2 landing craft, as well as 11 Swedish corvettes, 7 minesweepers, 12 patrol boats and 5 submarines.The advantage in strength is total.

Let us note the fact that all our potential adversaries in the Baltic Sea obviously relied on its mining in order to block the ships of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation, judging by the number of NATO minelayers and minesweepers. What worked in previous World Wars will work now. If desired, the North Atlantic Alliance can block our exit from the ports of the Kaliningrad region and the Gulf of Finland for St. Petersburg. What is even worse, the entire Baltic Sea is being shot through by anti-ship missiles of the DBK and aircraft with air-based anti-ship missiles. Soon both Baltic coasts will be under NATO control. But even in the port it is not a fact that it will be safe to sit out, since Russian ships can be covered right at the pier with long-range artillery from the territory of Poland.

In general, all this has been known for a long time. But the lessons of confrontation in the Black Sea simply force us to re-evaluate potential threats. The Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation is objectively now in a death trap, and the question is what to do with it now.

Try to strengthen it in order to create a semblance of parity with the combined forces of NATO? It's just unrealistic and doesn't make any practical sense. Whatever you do, the enemy will still dominate the region both at sea and in the air. How ingloriously Russian warships and boats are sinking, we have already seen enough, that's enough. Completely withdraw the Baltic Fleet somewhere to a safer place? Also not an option, since such a unilateral demilitarization of the water area by Russia will be unequivocally perceived by a potential adversary as an image victory. And where are these safe places these days?

All that remains is to reconsider the composition of the Baltic Fleet and set real tasks for it. It is probably worth leaving mainly small missile ships and other Caliber carriers in the Baltic as a means of deterring the NATO bloc. In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, cruise missiles will definitely not be superfluous, allowing them to deliver pinpoint strikes against enemy military infrastructure. On the Black Sea, everyone saw that our fleet is good at doing this.

Do we now need frigate or corvette-class ships on NATO's "inland sea"? No, they have nothing to do there, they should be transferred to other Russian fleets. For example, a couple of project 20380 corvettes would now be very useful in the Black Sea in the confrontation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Navy for Zmeiny Island, which we eventually had to give up. But so far the Turkish straits are closed, they realized it too late. Perhaps even more needed are PLO corvettes, patrol and landing ships as part of the Pacific Fleet, which has long been in dire need of reinforcement.

It is already obvious that the composition of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation must be reshuffled, taking into account the new geopolitical reality.

https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/26596-posle-rasshirenija-bloka-nato-sostav-baltijskogo-flota-rf-pridetsja-peresmotret.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

BDK "Saratov" raised from the bottom of the sea in Berdyansk

According to Vladimir Rogov, a representative of the military-civilian administration of the Zaporozhye region, on his Telegram channel, the landing ship Saratov was raised from the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov yesterday.

The operation to lift the landing ship was carried out in the port of the city of Berdyansk, which is located in the south of the Zaporozhye region near the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov.

"Saratov" was heavily damaged on March 24 during the shelling of the Berdyansk port by the Ukrainian military. The blow was delivered by missiles of the Tochka-U complex.

As Rogov explains, the crew decided to flood the ship after a fire started on it. Otherwise, this could lead to the detonation of the ammunition on board.

Recall that Berdyansk and other settlements of the Zaporozhye region, located along the Sea of ​​Azov, were liberated by Russian troops in March this year.

"Saratov" was the first landing ship of its series, built back in 1964 in Kaliningrad. During its long history , the ship had to visit many parts of the world. Saratov took part in the events in Georgia in 2008, and during the reunification of Crimea in 2014. With the start of the special operation in Ukraine, the ship was also involved in it.

https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/198493-saratov-podnjali-so-dna-morja.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

How the ship was raised:

They are already working on a scale model of the Fregat concept, maybe they talk about other design we have not seen, but this looks very promising indeed. I personally would like to see the Helios-RLD adapted to carrier use, but that would maybe need catapults and not be suitable for the 23900

franco wrote:
In general, all this has been known for a long time. But the lessons of confrontation in the Black Sea simply force us to re-evaluate potential threats. The Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation is objectively now in a death trap, and the question is what to do with it now.

Try to strengthen it in order to create a semblance of parity with the combined forces of NATO? It's just unrealistic and doesn't make any practical sense. Whatever you do, the enemy will still dominate the region both at sea and in the air.

I agree with the text for the biggest part. That Neustrashimy should be transferred to Pacific, if/when it gets ready. No reason to keep big ships in Baltic.

franco wrote:After the expansion of the NATO bloc, the composition of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation will have to be revised

The entry into the NATO bloc of Sweden and Finland is a big problem for the RF Ministry of Defense. Soon, both shores of the Baltic Sea will legally become part of the North Atlantic Alliance, finally turning it into "NATO's inland sea." At the same time, the danger for the Russian exclave of the Kaliningrad region is increasing, and the question of the future prospects of the Russian Baltic Fleet is also sharply raised. Is it needed now at all, and if so, in what composition?

Just my opinion but there is no need for Russia to have surface ships any larger than the Steregushchiy type covettes (Pr.20380/5) in the Baltics. They offer very good all round capability.
However they do need significantly more submarines - particularly the new Serval and Piranha-T small attack submarines.
Also a must have in the Baltics is a substantial Naval Infantry force equipped with fast amphibious landing ships/craft backed up by a couple of fighter/bomber regiments.
However the real strength of the Russian Navy lies in its missiles. No other country comes close (not really mentioned in the above article). These missiles are a significant force multiplier for the Russians in any of its fleets.

The NATO fleet has no chance in the Baltic Sea. In the event of war, the entire NATO fleet in the Baltic Sea will be destroyed by Cirkon.

franco wrote:BDK "Saratov" raised from the bottom of the sea in Berdyansk

According to Vladimir Rogov, a representative of the military-civilian administration of the Zaporozhye region, on his Telegram channel, the landing ship Saratov was raised from the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov yesterday.

The operation to lift the landing ship was carried out in the port of the city of Berdyansk, which is located in the south of the Zaporozhye region near the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov.

"Saratov" was heavily damaged on March 24 during the shelling of the Berdyansk port by the Ukrainian military. The blow was delivered by missiles of the Tochka-U complex.

As Rogov explains, the crew decided to flood the ship after a fire started on it. Otherwise, this could lead to the detonation of the ammunition on board.

Recall that Berdyansk and other settlements of the Zaporozhye region, located along the Sea of ​​Azov, were liberated by Russian troops in March this year.

"Saratov" was the first landing ship of its series, built back in 1964 in Kaliningrad. During its long history , the ship had to visit many parts of the world. Saratov took part in the events in Georgia in 2008, and during the reunification of Crimea in 2014. With the start of the special operation in Ukraine, the ship was also involved in it.

https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/198493-saratov-podnjali-so-dna-morja.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

Hopefully the recovery is to turn this ship into a museum?

Mir wrote:Hopefully the recovery is to turn this ship into a museum?

Museum of what? Arrogance, incompetence and humiliation?

Cut that junk heap into trash cans and forget it ever existed

Agree!

How about put it back into service?