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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:13 pm

    Arrow wrote:It would have to be already under advanced construction.

    It may or may not appear in the early 2030s.
    Unlike with large surface ships, they build their subs a lot faster if there r no unforseen delays/stoppages, so it's possible to start construction in 2028-9 & still get the 1st sub out in 2031-3.
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    Post  lancelot Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:37 pm

    Like hell they do. It takes them like 8 years to build a sub. Even if they cut this down to 6 years it means the sub must start construction sooner rather than later.
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    Post  Arrow Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:42 pm

    The first unit of the new generation takes longer to build. There are many new parts and components. Besides, if they started building, they would have already announced the laying of the keel.

    Anything Big, like an Akula under construction? wrote:

    They don't need a colossus like Akula. All you need is the size 955A, which is already big. Generally, the silos themselves in the 955A can accept a slightly larger and heavier projectile than the current Bulava. Something weighing 50 tons will fit in there just in case. Bulava in its modifications may gain some weight in the future.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:43 pm

    Like the Columbia SSBN which will be based on an enlarged Virginia SSGN, the new Russian SSBN may well be based on an enlarged Yasen SSGN, to reduce costs & increase the speed of construction. Time will tell!

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    Post  Krepost Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:35 am

    The Naval Exhibition has just opened in St. Petersburg.
    Here are some interesting photos:

    First, these new armored landing craft (anybody thinking Dnepr river?)

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    Post  Krepost Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:37 am

    The new AK-306M
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    The DUET
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    The GIBKA
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    RAPTOR with MLRS
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    ORKAN, VIZIR and BEC-1000 unmanned sea drones (Bez Ekipazhny Kater)
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:35 am

    lancelot wrote:Like hell they do. It takes them like 8 years to build a sub. Even if they cut this down to 6 years it means the sub must start construction sooner rather than later.

    The 5th generation of subs is not only going to be universal (i.e. SSNs, SSGNs, SSBNs all use the same modular hull/design), but also considerably smaller than the current generation, owing to improvements in crew automation, miniaturization of components and presumably rocketry and propellant too; now that SLBMs have reached the ranges of ICBMs, the next step will probably be to make them smaller.

    So yeah, hopefully we won't see the build times that we did of the Yasens or Boreis. The whole point would be to make nuclear subs cheaper and quicker to build.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:38 am

    presumably now that SLBMs have reached the ranges of ICBMs, the next step will be to make them smaller. LIKEDISLIKE wrote:

    SLBMs have had intercontinental range for over 40 years. But look at Bulava. It is a compact SLBM with intercontinental range.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:06 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    owing to improvements in crew automation,

    Russkie level of automatization of submarines is a league of its own. They have operated subs with half of western crew sizes for the last seven decades.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:37 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
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    owing to improvements in crew automation,

    Russkie level of automatization of submarines is a league of its own. They have operated subs with half of western crew sizes for the last seven decades.

    Yes but they went a little overboard with the Alfa class and then decided to scale back their ambitions a bit.

    A conservative approach is better when it comes to automation, at least for nuclear subs. These are strategic weapon systems, if an automated system has even a slight disadvantage in reliability compared to a live crewmember, then you'll want to have a live crewmember instead.

    Nevertheless now with 2020s technology, I can definitely see the Alfa class levels of automation being returned to in a large part.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:41 pm

    The GIBKA
    Can´t still grasp why that baby has only 4 missiles.
    Looks strong enough to carry at least 4 times the load.

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    Post  Krepost Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:37 am

    Two versions of the KATRAN

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:44 am

    Can´t still grasp why that baby has only 4 missiles.
    Looks strong enough to carry at least 4 times the load.

    AFAIK it is hand loaded with the same missiles shoulder launchers use so if they have the gripstocks they could have a few crew on deck with that Barnaul targeting system to assist.

    Very simply I think if they thought it needed 6 or 8 or more missiles ready to fire that a Palma or Pantsir might be more suitable.

    The Palma does not have under deck reloads and 8 ready to fire missiles with two 30mm gatling guns and would be the next step up, while Pantsir needs the top deck plus two decks below for missile reloads and electonics which would not fit most patrol craft.

    Maybe as the land based SOSNA system matures they might adapt that for naval use.

    The missiles are relatively light and small (compared with TOR and Pantsir) and have 10km range and are laser beam riding so you can target anything you can see or detect with radar.

    Of course mist and fog and heavy rain will be a problem but those conditions would be an issue for IR guided missiles too.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:09 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Russkie level of automatization of submarines is a league of its own. They have operated subs with half of western crew sizes for the last seven decades.
    The USN has batt seks technology that enables sailors to be at sea for double the patrol time. Not impressed.
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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:17 pm

    Combat Approved on the latest Cuban visit.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:46 am

    https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Snider/2024/06/23/why-putin-sent-russian-ships-to-cuba/

    They may even set up a "Carribean Flotilla" there 1 day.
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    Post  lancelot Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:11 pm

    Will Russia’s Navy get the 50 ships it expects this year?
    By Maxim Starchak
    Friday, Jun 14, 2024

    MOSCOW — The Russian Navy will receive about 50 ships of various classes this year, compared to 32 last year, according to the deputy minister of industry and trade.

    The announcement comes amid the country’s invasion of Ukraine, during which Ukrainian forces have destroyed and disabled several Russian naval vessels.

    Viktor Yevtukhov unveiled the forecast June 9 during an interview with the state-owned channel Zvezda TV. In total, according to the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Navy took delivery of 40 surface ships and 24 submarines over the last decade.

    In 2023, the Navy received three submarines: the Borei-A-class nuclear-powered Emperor Alexander III; the Yasen-class nuclear-powered Krasnoyarsk; and the Kilo-class Mozhaysk.

    The service also took on seven surface ships: the frigate Admiral Golovko; the corvettes Merkury and Rezkiy; the missile-armed ships Cyclone and Naro-Fominsk; the minesweeper Lev Chernavin; and the repaired frigate Neustrashimy.

    This year, the Navy is expected to receive four submarines and 12 surface ships, plus a collection of support vessels such as tug boats; bulk carriers; training, hydrographic, rescue and supply vessels; and other small boats, according to Pavel Luzin, a Russia defense expert with the Washington-based Center for European Policy Analysis think tank.

    Yevtukhov attributed the large anticipated delivery to Russia’s successful efforts in finding substitutions for components blocked by international sanctions.

    Sergey Smyslov, an independent analyst with an engineering background in Russia’s defense sector, said domestic organizations have begun producing the substitutions.

    “Yes, it may not be of the best quality, and additional time is required to develop the missing components, but the minimum necessary requirements are [being met],” Smyslov added.

    However, the outdated or low-quality technology used as a result impacts the reliability of the final product, Luzin said.

    Nevertheless, a source in Russia’s naval industry told Defense News that the Defence Ministry is generally satisfied with submarine construction efforts. Still, the source added, shortcomings remain in regard to the production of surface ships, with delivery dates regularly postponed.

    Indeed, Emma Rayman, a politician from St. Petersburg, said “the problems of the Navy are related to the fact that the naval industry requires significant financial investments, and budget constraints can affect the speed and scale of construction of new ships.”

    For example, the Severnaya Verf shipyard was supposed to transfer the frigate Admiral Isakov to the Navy in 2022, but that is now scheduled to take place in December 2025.

    Likewise, service was to receive the corvette Provorny by the end of 2022, but due to damage from a fire, the deadline was pushed to 2025. Additionally, two Steregushchiy-class corvettes were to be delivered in 2018; thus far, one was transferred in 2023.

    The Admiralty Shipyards plant was also supposed to transfer a patrol ship to the Navy in 2020, but that is now expected to take place this year.

    As for the Yantar Shipyard, it was expected to deliver a pair of large landing ships — the Vladimir Andreev and Vasily Trushin — around the 2023-2024 time frame. But even before this deadline passed, it was changed to 2025-2026.

    The Vostochnaya shipyard has also experienced setbacks in the construction of Navy ships. In particular, the firm was to build two Karakurt-class corvettes and a small tanker, but amid financial troubles, the Amur Shipbuilding Plant, owned by United Shipbuilding Corp., took charge in August 2023.

    A shortage of engineers and specialists in the domestic shipbuilding industry is also slowing down construction efforts, Rayman said, with Luzin noting there aren’t even enough personnel to crew the ships.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:39 pm

    The keels of the next 955A and 885M should be laid this year?
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    Post  lancelot Fri Jun 28, 2024 5:13 pm

    Arrow wrote:The keels of the next 955A and 885M should be laid this year?
    I hope so. They still need to start construction on like two 955A plus two 885M.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jun 29, 2024 6:01 pm

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-china-navies-move-near-us-ally-japan-1918364
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    Post  Krepost Wed Jul 03, 2024 4:12 am

    A new project 12418 (Tarantul) class missile ship will be handed to the Caspian fleet:

    "In the near future, the missile boat "Stupinets" of project 12418 will join the Caspian flotilla. The crew has been formed and is already at the shipyard."

    https://iz.ru/1720977/bogdan-stepovoi-andrei-fedorov/udar-molnii-kaspiiskuiu-flotiliiu-popolnit-raketnyi-kater-stupinetc

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    Post  Vympel Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:39 am

    Krepost wrote:A new project 12418 (Tarantul) class missile ship will be handed to the Caspian fleet:

    "In the near future, the missile boat "Stupinets" of project 12418 will join the Caspian flotilla. The crew has been formed and is already at the shipyard."

    https://iz.ru/1720977/bogdan-stepovoi-andrei-fedorov/udar-molnii-kaspiiskuiu-flotiliiu-popolnit-raketnyi-kater-stupinetc

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    Is this one of the two unfinished ships that were intended for some foreign customer, but the deal fell through and the Navy bought them instead?

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