Russian special military operation in Ukraine #53

To understand why our A-50 could not be shot down by the American MIM-140 Patriot air defense system.

The crash site is located at a distance of 210-250 km from the contact line, depending on the direction: Yuzhno-Donetsk or Zaporozhye.

This is provided that the Patriot will be located almost directly on the front line, which carries enormous risks for the air defense system and its crew. In reality, it’s worth adding at least another “ten”, or even more than one.

At the same time, the most advanced anti-aircraft missiles of the MIM-140 Patriot air defense system are capable of hitting targets at a maximum range of 160 kilometers in ideal conditions.

So the answer to who is responsible for this loss (as well as for all recent ones) is obvious to us.

Military Informant (https://t.me/milinfolive)

Eugenio Argentina wrote:To understand why our A-50 could not be shot down by the American MIM-140 Patriot air defense system.

The crash site is located at a distance of 210-250 km from the contact line, depending on the direction: Yuzhno-Donetsk or Zaporozhye.

This is provided that the Patriot will be located almost directly on the front line, which carries enormous risks for the air defense system and its crew. In reality, it’s worth adding at least another “ten”, or even more than one.

At the same time, the most advanced anti-aircraft missiles of the MIM-140 Patriot air defense system are capable of hitting targets at a maximum range of 160 kilometers in ideal conditions.

So the answer to who is responsible for this loss (as well as for all recent ones) is obvious to us.

Military Informant (https://t.me/milinfolive)

Take it with grain of salt tho as the source was Romanov but.. "Investigation works started on crews of S-400". I would hope if that started...it will be all up to the command as S-400 is a complex system. Unless somehow a particular battery operates with only 92N6 radar without any connection to command post whatsoever.

The A-50 if it's real A-50 also kinda weird as does it not broadcast any recognizable friendly signal or contact to the ground ?.

JohninMK wrote:He had a good run for his money but is now with his leader, as per his patch.

dana
@dana916
Near Avdeevka, prominent Ukrainian nationalist Ivan Kornut (call sign “Mazepa”), who started with the Aidar battalion in 2014, was eliminated.

infantmilitario

Hope he enjoys hell

No we can't trust shit coming from Voenkors right now

Gov needs to clamp down on them , all their incoherent reporting is flooding Ukro Twitter and that's how we get erroneous reports of multiple aircraft being shot down

Some are claiming su34, some su35, some a50, and others il76

They are doing more damage with unchecked speculation

And its bad for morale, this is how some nobody like Prigozhin can claim incompetence and lead any kind of movement

By taking advantage of these erroneous reports and just stirring up emotions in society

Arkanghelsk wrote:No we can't trust shit coming from Voenkors right now

Gov needs to clamp down on them , all their incoherent reporting is flooding Ukro Twitter and that's how we get erroneous reports of multiple aircraft being shot down

Some are claiming su34, some su35, some a50, and others il76

They are doing more damage with unchecked speculation

And its bad for morale, this is how some nobody like Prigozhin can claim incompetence and lead any kind of movement

By taking advantage of these erroneous reports and just stirring up emotions in society

I mean crash site apparently located and the wreckage so far show something close to Il-76 based airframe.. but if it's A-50's probably needs more imageries.

https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1761148236109095128

Karl Haushofer wrote:https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1761148236109095128

you can put your name on point 6 unterscharfuehrer

https://t.me/the_Right_People/30020

And there it is

Confirmation of friendly fire

One of the AD operators is literally watching the plane with a binocular

And they still launched

It was clearly not a missile

IFF is a crucial factor that is not going to change the war outcome, but which is leading to unnecessary losses

Ever since Syrian KUB shot down the Il22 you would think this would have been a priority of the VKS

But here it is clear what is happening in the VKS is definitely an issue

sepheronx wrote:People jump to conclusions.

https://t.me/namarshe/8344

The plane that was downed is a civilian Il-76TD.

Much like last A-50 claimed, this wasn't an A-50.

With that said, there will need to be an inquiry into AD and radar systems setup and how they are operating.

Edit: also I could be wrong. But remember last time regarding A-50 when it was Il-22.  Lots of fake news.

Is it a civilian IL? It was dropping flares so at least a military transport no?

mnztr wrote:

Is it a civilian IL? It was dropping flares so at least a military transport no?

It would definitely be military. IL-76TD tho can have chaff/flare dispenser installed.

At least the pictures say this time that it was an IL-76. The tail is clear. Unlike the shooting down a few weeks ago, where there were only pictures of the IL-22. It wasn't civil either, there was 12 bis 16 flare. And there were at least two missiles looking for the target. See video. One hits an older flare, the other the plane shortly after. An A-50 is open.

But, and now the big But. It's the Rostov AD Zone. First the Su-35 so completely without any reason and now again exactly in their range. Can someone please go there and ask the AD crew what they are doing there?

Once is a mistake, twice is sabotage!

ALAMO wrote:
Donbas is a really special case, as the scale of its urbanization and industrialization is insane.
A 20k "village". With 8-floor buildings.

This is why fracking was so hard there, and it was cited by the Ukro Fuehrers back in the early 00s.
"Too many people!"
Tymoshenko bit%ch was yapping about that loud.

The density of so many buildings is insane

It looks like a big gray shadow from satellite images

Endless buildings, factories, apartments, and for cities of 12,000-30,000-100,000 people , we talk about at least 20 of them all tightly clustered around each other

All intertwined around in a giant network of coal mines, Steel factories, coking plants, metal workshops, ports, depots, warehouses,  salt mines, residential buildings, and all in between

This is not even mentioning Donetsk itself

But then you look at Dnepropetrovsk,  Poltava, Chernigov, Sumy, and we don't see that,  even in Kharkov with the exception of the massive city itself

They are smaller settlements without such strong infrastructure excluding the main cities themselves

Actually Kherson and Zaporozhye are perfect examples- Russia went all throughout the territory and left the major cities alone

And it won't go to them until they are isolated completely



I will drop the case here, where the urban density is clear

Still don't get it?

JohninMK wrote:He had a good run for his money but is now with his leader, as per his patch.

dana
@dana916
Near Avdeevka, prominent Ukrainian nationalist Ivan Kornut (call sign “Mazepa”), who started with the Aidar battalion in 2014, was eliminated.

infantmilitario

In Argentina we say Uno menos (one less)

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/the_Right_People/30020

And there it is

Confirmation of friendly fire

One of the AD operators is literally watching the plane with a binocular

And they still launched

It was clearly not a missile

IFF is a crucial factor that is not going to change the war outcome, but which is leading to unnecessary losses

Ever since Syrian KUB shot down the Il22 you would think this would have been a priority of the VKS

But here it is clear what is happening in the VKS is definitely an issue

Looks to me someone needs to have their Gameboy taken away from them because this is just embarrassing

Anyway, back to the war...

Hole wrote:

 it took three months with more forces focused for Russia to take Avi

Because the city and her surroundings were prepared in the last 8+ years for their role as "fortress".
Didn´t work so well.
There is nothing of that kind in any big city, not even Kijüf.
But there are a lot of roads leading into those big cities that a "defender" has to look at.
At lot of roads an assault force can use to bypass those units and attack them from behind.

Lol by that respect the Russians could have just. Bypassed Avi, bypassing isn't always an option, there are plenty of high rise buildings etc in central and west Ukraine.

Again it will depend on how the Russians choose to tackle it no one here bot your or ark can assume that and act like your right.

I am going by their track record as set by themselves and that record shows they have taken considerable time to seize modest cities, I don't live in Your fantasy land but reality

I can very much relate to Karlin. I was a big Putin supporter until 2014 when he let that witch Merkel fool him with so called “Minsk agreements”. Even Putin himself now admits being betrayed and fooled.

Merkel and Holland and the entire west lied to Putin and it is Putins fault?

But the problem with him and whole putinism is that they never learn from their mistakes and keep repeating them. Almost as if they are programmed to think and act in just one easily pre-determined way.

Never learn from their mistakes.

Russian economy is growing... the only real problem is lack of workers, which suggests a growing economy strong economy replacing broken western ties and products and technologies with new Russian technologies and products and also turning to the rest of the world for trade and relations... all very healthy and very good for Russia.

...on the battlefield the Russian forces suffer occasional pin prick attacks that the other side claim as victories as their army is ground down and destroyed as the Russians gradually keep pushing them out of the super heavy fortified regions they occupy into areas they have not been fortifying for the last 8 years with access to materials and labour.

Western countries are suffering economically while being forced to fund Kiev to no advantage of their own.

Putin is doing a brilliant job... I really can't see how he could possibly do better.

Sending in more troops gives the enemy more targets and would dramatically damage the Russian economy... which is exactly what the enemy are trying to achieve.

If an A-50 was actually shot down this time it is hardly Putins fault no matter how you want to twist things.

But still I was surprised to read about Karlin’s turn-around. He was so big on Russia and its future once.

Navalny was a nationalist too... till he was bought. They clearly found this faggots price... which likely wasn't very much at all... he will likely get a job at the Jamestown institutte or Atlantic Council or some such BS org of whores.

As for the F-16, they will go down just as lovely. Unterscharfuehrer Haushoffer will be strangely silent when they get knocked down

Stoltenberg has said Kiev can use their new F-16s any way they please, to which Medvedev has replied that F-16s getting airborne in Poland could be targeted...

BTW the only Anatoli Karlin I can find is described as a white supremacist nazi who promotes McDonalds in Russia.

Anatoly Karlin (Анатолий Карлин),[note 1] (1988–) known as powerfultakes,[4][5] is a Russian eugenicist[6], white nationalist[7], anti-vegan activist, self-confessed drug addict and former writer for the anti-Semitic The Unz Review. Karlin has a long history of posting racism, white supremacy and misogyny online — to the extent he admitted, in 2019, to being a "racist and very happy with that" after posting on Reddit how much he dislikes black people.[8][9]

Karlin has admitted to finding 14 year old girls "hot" and once posted a picture of a 14 year old girl on his Twitter account which lost him support from fellow white nationalists.[10] In 2016-2018 he was a poster boy for the neo-Nazi Richard Spencer, who he attended at least one white nationalist conference with and set up an alt-right podcast named ROGRP, promoting Spencer's white ethno-state.[11][12][13] Karlin has said he agrees with "about 70%" of the alt-right.[11] He supported the Unite the Right rally.[14]

In December 2023, Karlin wrote series of articles titled "Intellectual Restructuring" saying he had repudiated his former racist and pro-Putin nationalist beliefs, distanced himself from Spencer and is now an anti-racist activist and liberal who supports "open borders", globalisation and LGBTQ+ rights.[15][16] Karlin describes himself as a proud shill for "GloboHomo".[15] He says he is genderless and identifies as an "it".[17] Critics point out, similar to Richard Hanania there is no evidence, Karlin has genuinely abandoned his far-right views but is rebranding them to make them appear more palatable and his claims about supporting the LGBT movement are a trolling attempt.

More here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin

He likes 14 year old girls and hates blacks and jews...

And this comment in the article which I bolded:

In December 2023, Karlin wrote series of articles titled "Intellectual Restructuring" saying he had repudiated his former racist and pro-Putin nationalist beliefs,

Yeah, because Putin is a hard core white nationalist who loves kiddy fiddlers and hates all black people...

Sounds like western propaganda is in a spin over this guy and if you identify with this then my opinion has lowered further than you can possibly imagine Karl.

Sounds like a funny, but my favorite funny man and Carlin is still George.

Now George Carlin should be taught in schools and be a mandatory course for everyone everywhere...

A fukin' Battlefield generation, that can't get that war costs lives.
Those don't respawn.

But in war you kill the enemy and the enemy does not kill you. If you lose a jeep or a bus or a train or small boat then obviously it is incompetence because the good guys are not supposed to lose anything at all... you know... like in real wars.

And all this because of incompetent Russian government and state officials

If they were incompetent this conflict would be over.

The entire west is currently supporting Kiev, the war would be over without that.

The west is prolonging this conflict but even they can't keep it going forever and are suffering losses too.

BTW Zelensky has just announced a counteroffensive.... hahahaha.

But zero losses for the NATO. Only eastern slavs are losing from this war.

Officially 200 billion, but in actual fact probably more like four or five times that since 2014, not to mention the cost of emptying HATO stocks of ammo and weapons, with the promise to replace all those shitty old T-72s and BMPs with modern western armour... do you think that is going to be free... this will cost the west trillions of dollars and not just in extra energy costs, but also lost revenue from trade with Russia.

Europe is going to get much weaker and that is going to be made worse because they will get paranoid and increase defence spending because they know they are vulnerable.

HATO tactics totally failed against a small Russian force... they need a new generation of EVERYTHING.

Nice return that Russia got from its "investment" in Ukraine from 1991 to 2014 subsidizing Ukrainian economy with hundreds of billions of dollars. And in return for this money Russia got... this.

Russia got most of what it needed from the Ukraine during a period when they were in no condition to create the same capacity for themselves.

These days with modern computers and design and materials and 3D printers they are in a much better position to not just replace what the Ukraine used to make for them but also what the entire west made for them... and overcharged them for too.

The length of this conflict is adding more and more to the amount of territory that Russia is going to gain which is going to go from the money making heart of the Ukraine to a money generating part of Russia.

Putin could never cut ties with the west for Russias benefit the way the west has cut ties with Russia... the western controlled sports body has just ruled against Russia regarding Russian and Belarus athletes competing in olympic games events... which means that need to be replaced now too, by a body that is not political and controlled by the west.

These are good things even if there is a horrible price to pay in young Russian men.

In WWII the price paid by the entire Soviet Union was 30 million... the alternative was a german... nazi win where the Soviet peasants would be worked to death for the good of the Germans... this time around there would likely be less slave labour and just theft of resources and material... the colonial west needs a wakeup call and that might require an escalation to something they care about... perhaps Russia should declare they are not going to use paper bags for groceries and are going to move back to one time use plastic bags...

Moron Putin. How do you feel now about giving Russian railways for the use of NATO cargo to Afghanistan free of charge while NATO was still supporting Chechen separatism?

Everyone thought they might do some good for Afghanistan.

Of course, no surprise, they made it worse. But Russian assistance to HATO probably encouraged them to go in there and stay as long as they did...

Ever since Syrian KUB shot down the Il22 you would think this would have been a priority of the VKS

Every country on the planet suffers from friendly fire in combat... there are thousands of flights every day going out and coming back... keeping track of them and also looking for enemy platforms of all types trying to sneak through is a complex and difficult problem.

Is it a civilian IL? It was dropping flares so at least a military transport no?

Would civilian aircraft be allowed to operate there?

I am going by their track record as set by themselves and that record shows they have taken considerable time to seize modest cities, I don't live in Your fantasy land but reality

Totally ignoring the fact that the goal is to take out Orcs, not necessarily take and hold ground.

In Desert Storm, friendly fire accounted for a QUARTER of losses, by official numbers.
Go and get some clue, Arma chief&generals ...

To that karl guy... I have seen enough craven talk by your "nationalists". I hope those posting such foolishness are shunned after this conflict. Embarrassing behavior.

In "serious" war and not in the movies, there are always casualties on both sides.
With respect to Russia, we will always have the information bombardment of the great media of the World Power, which will seek to sow doubts, with their disinformation.
In this case (as has happened before) they seek to show that an A-50 was shot down, to make their well-known analysis of the "flaws" of Russian/Soviet weapons.
You have to analyze things coldly and not let the tree cover the forest.

How high does a blimp has to fly , if carrying Radar , to detect missile launch from enemy border ? Much cheaper to fly than plane . Can have honeycomb Kevlar helium pockets , to withstand occasional drone hits . Can have emergency chute if blimp crashing to save Radar . Can have back up balloons to inflate if loosing altitude . Light weight Radar , with metal bits replaced with composites ! Radar can be internal to blimp structure .