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    Russian military operation in Ukraine #63

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:22 am

    This is what demilitarisation is all about. Does Russia have the balls to do this to Ukraine? Or even understand the need?


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    Israel is destroying Syrian air bases, military and defense systems, intelligene, military & government structures.

    Basically they're demilitarizing Syria.


    Pictures at link https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1865788424290234794

    Or understand the need to keep US/NATO and not NATO bilateral agreements like Ukraine/UK out of places like Odessa?

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:34 am

    OK, so as I have said multiple of times I will say it again.

    Putin is a cuck. And so is the entire Russian leadership. They are dumb and useless fucks.

    The issue is:

    - No NATO agreement - Yeah, ok. So they will sign away and then break the agreement as soon as it will benefit them. Any agreements are worth as much as the paper it is written on. Russians are dumb retards for sure, but not THIS dumb. Down syndrome levels of stupid here.

    - Only recognition of the 4 regions as Russian - OK, so what about Kharkov, Sumy and the rest? Just let more areas that you border be your enemy and build up point for attacks against you, especially when NATO will end up breaking first agreement day 1, and reinforce the border area in Sumy?

    So yeah, Russia should be learning from Israel. They should be bombing the ever loving shit out of Ukraines army and airforce bases, along with all their governmental buildings and the ports.

    I sometimes think Russian leadership is compromised. There really is no other excuse for their gross ineptitude.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:51 am

    Peskovs statement is just politics.  Russia knows that the Ukrops will never agree to the conditions (neither will their neocon globalist leash holders) so "reasonable sounding" offers can be made will full confidence that they will never come to pass.  Russia demonstrates to the rest of the BRICS and the global south that can give peace a chance, but the hurdle, as always, is globalist intransigence and Ukrainian zealotry.

    "Negotiations" fail, so the war goes on.

    No peace until the Kiev regime is crushed and NATO delivered a huge red-hot strategic defeat, inserted sidways up their rear pucker without lube.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:00 am

    Ukraine is gonna go to negotiating table. They know they are fucked either way. And Trump is gonna make them.

    So then Russia's terms are so pathetic that when they say "yes, lets go to negotiating table" Russia will be like "da, let us **** ourselves hard and barely get anything out of this and then let them build up later"

    And they will pinky swear no NATO like all the other times and in a 5D chess move, Putin will be taken for a run YET AGAIN like it has dozens of times already.

    You guys just dont seem to see the pattern like I do.

    Syria with Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia and Poland and what not with USA and western countries. Caucuses with both Turkey and US.

    Russia is running out of allies and friends because they keep trying to play fair against an enemy that will shoot, stab and what not behind your back and lie every 10 minutes.

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:14 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    OK, so as I have said multiple of times I will say it again.

    Putin is a cuck. And so is the entire Russian leadership. They are dumb and useless fucks.
    The Russian government is fighting WW3 and winning while keeping their citizens safe and prosperous - they're actually fulfilling their responsibility towards their citizens. An impossible task but one they manage. Can't say the same for every other belligerent in this conflict, though.  Razz

    sepheronx wrote:
    - No NATO agreement - Yeah, ok. So they will sign away and then break the agreement as soon as it will benefit them. Any agreements are worth as much as the paper it is written on. Russians are dumb retards for sure, but not THIS dumb. Down syndrome levels of stupid here.
    There will be no agreement. NATO will be rendered militarily impotent that it won't even matter.

    sepheronx wrote:
    - Only recognition of the 4 regions as Russian - OK, so what about Kharkov, Sumy and the rest? Just let more areas that you border be your enemy and build up point for attacks against you, especially when NATO will end up breaking first agreement day 1, and reinforce the border area in Sumy?
    Its called gaming the metrics. You set a low bar when you know all the while you can achieve more - then you call that your stretch goal and smash that bitch to widespread praise and acclaim.  Razz

    Putin is a politican after all. Man has to look at his poll numbers, out of vanity at this point, really.

    sepheronx wrote:
    So yeah, Russia should be learning from Israel. They should be bombing the ever loving shit out of Ukraines army and airforce bases, along with all their governmental buildings and the ports.
    Historically the yahudis never had a state that lasted beyond 85 years, give or take. Any lessons you can gleam from them comes with this fat caveat.

    sepheronx wrote:
    I sometimes think Russian leadership is compromised. There really is no other excuse for their gross ineptitude.
    They're compromised by having more than 2 neurons to rub together with. They actually think.

    sepheronx wrote:
    So then Russia's terms are so pathetic that when they say "yes, lets go to negotiating table" Russia will be like "da, let us **** ourselves hard and barely get anything out of this and then let them build up later"
    You can read Putin's mind now?

    sepheronx wrote:
    And they will pinky swear no NATO like all the other times and in a 5D chess move, Putin will be taken for a run YET AGAIN like it has dozens of times already.
    Even read the future? Rolling Eyes

    sepheronx wrote:
    Russia is running out of allies and friends because they keep trying to play fair against an enemy that will shoot, stab and what not behind your back and lie every 10 minutes.
    Russian has only 2 - make it 4 allies. The Russian Army, Navy, Aerospace Forces and the Strategic Nuclear Forces. Everyone else is just a tool.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:18 am

    Forum retards calling Putin a cuck after launching the only European high intense ground war , and launching rods of god IRBMs is peak retard status lmao

    Ofc Ukraine won’t agree to any of this- it’s tantamount to submission to Moscow

    2 million dead and wounded for nothing , no nato, no eu, and no country

    Russia takes their land and enforces demilitarization and denazification

    Meanwhile Israel takes a ceasefire from Hezbollah lmao

    Retards , stay off the internet for a while

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:20 am

    Let's hope you're right, cause we were all wrong on Syria.

    For now Russia is sitting put in Syria. For now. But Russia has been betrayed many times due to these soft plays.

    Brian from New atlas pointed out that russias (and to extent Chinas) complete failure with many of these countries and preventing fermentation of color revolutions amd what not, is that their media arms are completely worthless. RT was quoting Reuters in terms what's happening in Syria for fucks sakes.
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    Post  lyle6 Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:38 am

    What's the opposite of the Pascal's wager? If you believe in Putin and he cucks - well its not like its going to matter is it? This planet is fucked either way.

    So keep calm and put your faith in Putin, like so many Russians have. Or just keep your clam shut at the very least.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Dec 09, 2024 10:12 am

    Ukraine is gonna go to negotiating table. They know they are fucked either way. And Trump is gonna make them.

    So then Russia's terms are so pathetic that when they say "yes, lets go to negotiating table" Russia will be like "da, let us **** ourselves hard and barely get anything out of this and then let them build up later"

    And they will pinky swear no NATO like all the other times and in a 5D chess move, Putin will be taken for a run YET AGAIN like it has dozens of times already.

    You guys just dont seem to see the pattern like I do.

    Syria with Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia and Poland and what not with USA and western countries. Caucuses with both Turkey and US.

    Russia is running out of allies and friends because they keep trying to play fair against an enemy that will shoot, stab and what not behind your back and lie every 10 minutes.

    We don't need to share a country with millions of Ukrainians. There is enough trouble keeping them out of Sheremetevo - 80% are rejected by the FSB borderguards for suspicions in regard to nationalism.

    Let them have their own country. Main thing is that it isn't a threat or any kind of springboard or whatever. In practice, no deals involving the current regime can be made anyway.
    But if in theory the Ukrainian elites were to find another set of people who can come to an agreement with Russia on recognizing the Ukraine's new borders, forgoing NATO membership, or any loopholes such as EU troops or whatever, essentially full neutrality - then that's demilitarization already. The Ukraine would have no sponsor for its military and would not be useful for anyone, nor would have a reason to war with Russia, and would have to downsize. And denazification can be taken care of in the following years as relations are built back up.
    Essentially it would be a similar agreement to the one that Finland was offered in 1944, and that ended up working perfectly well for both sides.

    And this is not a new position, Putin had stated it well over 6 months ago and it was reiterated before that too. So I don't see why the sudden surprise or outrage.

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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 09, 2024 10:18 am

    This is what demilitarisation is all about. Does Russia have the balls to do this to Ukraine? Or even understand the need?
    It´s really easy to bomb a country where your stooges are in control.
    If Zelensky were a Russian puppet and disbanded the Armed Forces of Banderaland Russia wouldn´t need to bomb military and civilian
    infrastructure, Russian soldiers could just walk there and destroy them.

    By the way, Russia is doing exactly that. Despite NATO AD systems worth Billions of Dollars all around Banderaland.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:09 pm

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    🇺🇦The new Ukrainian drone-missile "Peklo" (Hell), presented today by Zelensky.

    Judging by its appearance, "Peklo" is a munition with a fixed wing and an external turbojet engine. Judging by the design of the mounts, it is launched from an air carrier.

    It is claimed that this drone-missile  already has 5 combat applications and is capable of covering a distance of 700 km at a maximum speed of 700 km / h.

    In terms of its purpose, "Peklo" will occupy the niche of air-launched cruise missiles, being a simplified and lightweight, but much more widespread version of the Western cruise missiles Storm Shadow and SCALP-EG, which are currently in short supply for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, while not being burdened with possible restrictions on range and targets.

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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:20 pm

    How many of these specimens can they produce per month?

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    Post  billybatts91 Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:24 pm

    Trump: Zelensky wants peace and a ceasefire

    "He wants to make peace. This is something new. He wants a ceasefire. We have not discussed the details. He thinks it is time, and Putin must think it is time because he has lost - when you lose 700,000 people, it is time. It will not end until there is peace."

    In a couple of days another 100,000 Russian casualties arose according to Mr. Trump...
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    Post  Mir Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:49 pm

    kvs wrote:How many of these specimens can they produce per month?

    Let alone "air carrier" machines! Laughing Laughing Laughing

    PS - bye Billy Sleep

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:07 pm

    People are still mindbroken that they are posting shit here that belongs in the Syria thread despite the HTS working with Russia and that Turkey always had good relations with Russia out of all the other nato countries or Putin wouldnt have stepped foot in instanbul with zelensky before.

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    Post  billybatts91 Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:20 pm

    "Ukraine “may consider” Macron’s proposal to deploy Western troops as a security guarantee, says Zelensky.

    In Zelensky’s view, this could be a temporary solution until Ukraine is admitted to NATO, a goal Kyiv continues to push for. Zelensky plans to discuss Ukraine’s NATO invitation with Biden in the near future.

    “We talked about what happens even if there is a pause—while Ukraine is not yet in NATO, even if we have an invitation but are still not members—what will happen during that time? Who will guarantee us some kind of security? And I’ll tell you honestly, we can think about and work on Emmanuel’s position. Remember, he proposed that troops from one country or another be stationed in certain parts of Ukraine to guarantee our security while Ukraine is not in NATO. But we need a clear understanding beforehand of when Ukraine will join the EU and NATO,” Zelensky said during a meeting with German chancellor candidate Merz.

    Zelensky also confirmed discussions with Trump and Macron about the “frozen conflict” and security guarantees.

    “I said that we, more than anyone else in the world, want the war to end. And, of course, a diplomatic end to the war would save more lives. We want this,” said the president.

    Trump’s team does not support Ukraine’s NATO membership, so Zelensky will push to secure the invitation before Biden’s term ends."

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:45 pm

    🇺🇸🇺🇦 It seems Zelensky's meeting with Trump in Paris and Yermak's trip to the US didn't go well.

    Zelensky stated, "Discussing something with Trump makes no sense" while he's not yet president.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/132967

    Get yourself taped while de facto offending the new US president, who hasn't liked you even before that - what can go wrong with this brilliant scenario? Laughing

    I am telling you - Cocainsky has a brain in the shape of a sponge while being used to the way that the western elites have treated him for the last 2 years ... He is totally deluded from reality, and he will be smashed at wall in January ...

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:52 pm

    Nothing to do with a reaction to a Hazel Laughing but will it pass and be signed by Biden?

    Dummy warheads that only did superficial damage to the roof... my arse...

    This will likely stop the Orcs from using the UK and French and even the German missiles too because they will likely use American satellite data to be used against long range targets.

    Of course if Biden is this scared he will likely order Moron to not let them use French satellite data to attack targets in Russia for fear Russia might just assume it was the Americans...

    How stupid can Russia be, please? If there is even one remaining Ukraine, it will end the same as Syria did yesterday, and Moscow will fall just as undefended in 10 or 15 years.

    All the might of the Ukraine with the support of all of HATO... over 1 trillion dollar defence budget per year failed to push the small Russian force sent to Ukraine to fight a much much larger enemy force for three years and used up a million men, most of that money and weapons and ammo and in their massive summer offensive didn't reach the first defensive line anywhere and you think the Russian military will surrender like the Syrian government forces did because they were ORDERED to.

    Grow a pair.

    Kiev wont agree to this anyway.

    Although yes since Zelensky went nukey a month ago, I doubt Russia will take any chances. This statement is just for show as Moscow knows that it will be rejected regardless. In reality no Zelensky or any of this shit will be allowed to continue breathing there. That's the 'secret appendix' to Russia's "peace formula"; if Zelensky had one then Russia must too.

    To negotiate with Putin still in power Zelensky needs to change ukrainian law and as his power is gone because his period as president has expired he can't actually do this even if he wanted to.

    Can't have a ceasefire till they can actually negotiate and Putin and Lavrov have said no ceasefire so they can rearm and regroup...

    So no deNazification, no demilitarisation.
    No liberation of Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipropetrosk, Kiev etc?

    I would guess Russia will insist on referendums in the Ukraine... or at the very least free and fair elections with no political groups disbarred...

    Putin likes to see what the people want rather than imposing his views on the people who live there.

    This is what demilitarisation is all about. Does Russia have the balls to do this to Ukraine? Or even understand the need?

    Bullshit. That is Israel... I am sure it will be called something nice and PC like preemptive self defence.

    What Russia will do is have the Ukrainan military hand in their weapons and helmets and vests and other combat equipment and screen them for war criminals and then occupy Ukrainian territory while referendums and elections are organised for the people to decide.

    No imports from the west to stack the voting.

    - No NATO agreement - Yeah, ok. So they will sign away and then break the agreement as soon as it will benefit them. Any agreements are worth as much as the paper it is written on. Russians are dumb retards for sure, but not THIS dumb. Down syndrome levels of stupid here.

    You think he trusts the west?

    Of course it will be a water tight agreement that the Russians will enforce if it is broken.

    The penalties and actions of Russia will likely be spelled out in the situation of a violation of the agreement.

    But who says there is ever going to be an agreement... a hazelnut grove might be planted in the street some hard core nazi leaders live... and Zelensky too...

    So then Russia's terms are so pathetic that when they say "yes, lets go to negotiating table" Russia will be like "da, let us **** ourselves hard and barely get anything out of this and then let them build up later"

    Russias terms for a ceasefire are not going to be the same as their terms for peace. That ceasefire can end any time talks break down and they wont tolerate a ceasefire that is just being used to rearm and prepare for further war.

    Trump has said he will continue to support Kiev so there wont be any ceasefire while the west continues to arm and support Kiev... especially over the winter.

    Putin is a politican after all. Man has to look at his poll numbers, out of vanity at this point, really.

    He is a christian man who sent thousands of his men to their deaths in this conflict and he is not going to sell them cheap.

    He has already said this situation requires a solution and not a band aide that will delay the problem a decade or two to create another conflict later on with more death and destruction no matter how much that appeals to the inhuman blood thirsty evil west.

    Let's hope you're right, cause we were all wrong on Syria.

    We were told super terrorist forces cut through assads forces like a hot knife through butter and Russia was in danger of the Ukraine doing the same to them.

    Then it turns out that Syria can't function without its oil wells and food production and Turkey cutting off the Black Sea to Russian supplies has made the country untennable so Assad has pulled the pin and surrendered and the enemy terrorists walked in to take their prize.

    Kiev will not be dining in Moscow any time soon except perhaps as the main course with an apple in its mouth.

    For now Russia is sitting put in Syria. For now. But Russia has been betrayed many times due to these soft plays.

    What happened in Syria was a rational choice for Assad and avoided decades more deaths and casualties in a civil war they probably couldn't win.

    Syria can only become one country again if someone can unite the factions and Assad was not that one.

    There might not be that one.

    Brian from New atlas pointed out that russias (and to extent Chinas) complete failure with many of these countries and preventing fermentation of color revolutions amd what not, is that their media arms are completely worthless. RT was quoting Reuters in terms what's happening in Syria for fucks sakes.

    The west has been very good at using disposable proxy terrorist forces to destroy countries. They are super pissed that it does not work with Russia or China or India, but they are happy to use it in other places.

    Fortunately their evil is pretty clear to see and as countries stop funding them by using the US dollar their power will diminish and they might find a few countries they consider tiny and weak now will want to have a word to them when things are more balanced and level...

    In a couple of days another 100,000 Russian casualties arose according to Mr. Trump...

    When he gives a figure Zelensky likely complains and demands he add 100K to it...

    "Ukraine “may consider” Macron’s proposal to deploy Western troops as a security guarantee, says Zelensky.

    Zelensky can make any decisions he pleases but French troops will be hunted down and targeted by Russian forces... I have no doubt of that.

    And France should understand that too.

    If Russia sent forces to help the Taliban while HATO was there they would certainly not ignore them.

    But we need a clear understanding beforehand of when Ukraine will join the EU and NATO,” Zelensky said during a meeting with German chancellor candidate Merz.

    But Zelensky, you already know the deal... you get to join HATO when you defeat Russia on the battlefield... we supply money and weapons and ammo and you supply the bodies... and don't take more money than we do...



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    Post  JohninMK Tue Dec 10, 2024 12:51 am

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    Russian forces are continuously advancing south of Pokrovsk and west of Selydove. This is beginning to look like a major breakthrough with Russian forces already 6km southwest of Pokrovsk and 10km from Dninpropetrovsk Oblast.


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    Meanwhile in the north

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    Kursk region: Russian forces crossed the border south of Plekhovo and advanced toward the village of Alexandria in the Sumy region.
    An area of 3.5 km² has been liberated.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Dec 10, 2024 8:50 am

    And a shortcut : Pokrovsk is the last Ukrainian deposit of anthracite, which is the backbone of power generation wrote:

    They still have three large nuclear power plants that supply electricity, and the EU countries.That's when it comes to electricity
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:10 am

    It is irrelevant.
    Poland is supplying them with up to 56% of fuel.
    It will cease as soon as the war ends.
    There will be no electricity for free, no coal for free.
    We witness a taking over of a whole industry clusters of the former Ukraine.
    They won't recover.
    Antirussia Project is done.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:14 am

    It will cease as soon as the war ends. wrote:

    The war will unfortunately last a long time, especially if Russia wants to cut off the former Ukraine from the Sea, or reach the Dnieper along its entire length. Unless they leave them these areas and take the four regions they have accepted into Russia. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:51 am

    The war will unfortunately last a long time, especially if Russia wants to cut off the former Ukraine from the Sea, or reach the Dnieper along its entire length. Unless they leave them these areas and take the four regions they have accepted into Russia

    Cutting Kiev from the Black Sea has never been a stated goal by the Russians... it is speculation by fanboys on the interweb and that will be woven by team CIA that if they don't get that it will all have been for nothing...

    They won't recover.
    Antirussia Project is done.

    The valuable resources they wanted are slipping away as Russian forces advance and all the Russian assets they have stolen could be used to justify nationalising assets owned by the western companies driving this conflict... Blackrock will lose all their farms and mines etc etc

    Syrian stuff sent here

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