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Clear picture of the modified PLAN sovremenny. Looks like the engines are working good. No black smoke there.

Clear picture of the modified PLAN sovremenny. Looks like the engines are working good. No black smoke there..

Troll.

The only Sovs with smoke problems suffer from attention via Photoshop and western trolls like you...

GarryB wrote:

Clear picture of the modified PLAN sovremenny. Looks like the engines are working good. No black smoke there..

Troll.

The only Sovs with smoke problems suffer from attention via Photoshop and western trolls like you...

Troll on your self. I have no western agenda. If anything a very east intrest. If anyone should be called a troll its you..a Russian one.

The question was raised earlier if the engines had been updated during the modification of the ships in the class, thats why I posted the picture.

Edit:
By you even it seems....

"A good idea to keep the guns... they will be very useful supporting landings and with new technology in guided shells they could become rather versatile weapons... if they choose to buy of develop something similar themselves.

Have heard they had issues with the propulsion... hope that is sorted out too."

Anyone has a picture of the hangar ? Does that class has one ?

Btw there is a video of one going under a bridge in the baltic sea, it repainted the bridge in black with its smoke so yeah that ship smkes a lot.

Troll on your self. I have no western agenda. If anything a very east intrest. If anyone should be called a troll its you..a Russian one. Suspect

The question was raised earlier if the engines had been updated during the modification of the ships in the class, thats why I posted the picture.

Edit:
By you even it seems....

"A good idea to keep the guns... they will be very useful supporting landings and with new technology in guided shells they could become rather versatile weapons... if they choose to buy of develop something similar themselves.

Have heard they had issues with the propulsion... hope that is sorted out too."

Btw there is a video of one going under a bridge in the baltic sea, it repainted the bridge in black with its smoke so yeah that ship smkes a lot.

Smoke coming out of the smoke stack is not an engine problem, and all ship engines smoke from time to time.

There were problems with the Sovs engines in terms of reliability and maintenance issues as well, but nothing ever to do with whether it smoked to some western standard that western ships are never held to.

They are called smoke stacks for a reason, their purpose is to move the smoke emitted from the engines of the ship away from the deck... even if they didn't smoke at all the heat would stand out like a smoke screen on a thermal imaging system to much greater distances than any smoke because smoke is generally cold and very hot plumes of gas don't naturally occur at sea... a good indicator that there is a ship there.

And I will politely tell you not to call me a troll again.

You are right, what you did was not trolling... it was flame baiting.

Anyone has a picture of the hangar ? Does that class has one ?

Yes, it does.

A Chinese model:



and a Soviet one with the door open:



The hangars are small but with the rotors folded the Helix is tiny.

But can the helicopter fit inside and close the doors ? I have some doubts about it, it's really small compare to standard hangar on russian ships.

Satellite images of the Chinese naval aviation ground test and training complex

The original was taken from colleague dambiev in Satellite images of the Chinese ground test and training complex for naval aviation The Chinese complex was built at the Huandikong airfield, located on the shores of the Bohai Bay of the Yellow Sea, eight kilometers south of the city of Xingcheng, Liaoning province and the Xingcheng airfield of the Chinese Naval Academy of Aviation. The construction of the complex began in 2008 and was completed by 2013, although the first takeoff of the prototype J-15 carrier-based fighter from the complex's springboard took place in January 2012.





https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4141233.html

How many photos have you seen them sailing around with a helicopter sitting on the pad?

Why waste space with a half hangar where you can poke the nose of the helicopter into it but not enough to shut the doors...?

That would be odd I would think.

Helix helicopters are very compact and with their main rotors folded are very small, though they are quite tall.

Notice the hangar in the bottom photo above... not enormously deep, though quite tall.

I seem to remember on one ship type the hangar could be extended to fit the helicopter, so the hangars are generally designed to be very compact anyway.

It´s this ship class. The hangar of the Sov´s can be extended. You can see the rails in the deck on this pic.

Hole wrote:It´s this ship class. The hangar of the Sov´s can be extended. You can see the rails in the deck on this pic.

I've already seen somewhere written they had a telescopic hangar but never saw pictures of it.

Gepard class has also a weired semi-hangar.

And Kirovs have under deck hangars.

IMO new ships like Gorshkov-M will start getting two more mini-hangars on the sides of the main hangar for drones, unless they put two hangars like on Udaloys.

The mini hangars on new ships may be used for multirole Ka-226T helicopters they are thinking of using... they have modular rear pods like thunderbird 2 I think... but obviously TB2 was not a helicopter.

Searched around for numbers of launched surface vessels last year and the numbers are really crazy.

2019:
1 Type 075 LHD
1 Type 071 LPD
2 Type 055 destroyers
8 Type 052D destroyers
17 Type 56A corvetts

Thats 29 vessels with a total dicplacement of 166.000+ ton.

PLA seems also to have stopped or finished some types last year, making it possible to file a gess how large the total fleet will be around 2025.

Type 54 frigate seems to have ended production in 2018 with 32 ships.
Type 052D destroyers seems also to have stopped production after one vessel launched in 2020, with a total of 25 ships.
The larger type 55 seems to be going strong with 8 ships launched so far. Total number by 2025 probably will be around 10-12 finished ships.

2025 numbers only counting modern vessels launched after 2005 (give or take)

3 Carriers
4 LHD
8 LPD
40 DDG
32 FFG
50 Corvettes

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/images-confirm-china-is-operating-j-15-fighter-aircraft-from-third-batch

Later they may develop an even bigger version with better performance, &/ their own Su-34-like variant.

https://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2020-10-09/1_1112_fleet.html?print=Y

PLANs latest Type 52D destroyer. The 122 Tangshan belongs to the upgraded type 52DL class with increased lengh to 161 meters making it second only to the Type 55.

Chinese ground test and training complex for naval aviation

The report flashed a version of the carrier-based fighter J-15, adapted for takeoff using a catapult. Stands on the right, covered with a tarp.

A report from the Chinese ground test-training complex of naval aviation in honor of the 8th anniversary of the start of flights of PLA carrier-based aircraft fighters from the aircraft carrier Liaoning.
The Chinese complex NITKA was built at the Huandikong airfield, located on the shores of the Bohai Bay of the Yellow Sea, eight kilometers south of the city of Xingcheng, Liaoning province and the Xingcheng airfield of the Chinese Naval Aviation Academy. The report showed a prototype of the J-15 carrier-based fighter with tail number "552", which on November 20, 2012, was the first to land and take off from the deck of the aircraft carrier "Liaoning", thus marking the birth of carrier-based aircraft of the PLA Navy.







https://dambiev.livejournal.com/2129503.html

Chinese "Carrier Assassins"

Young pilots of the bomber aviation regiment of the bomber division of the naval aviation of the Southern Fleet of the PLA Navy are mastering the new Xian H-6J missile carriers, which are equipped with seven YJ-12 anti-ship missiles to strike enemy naval groups and are nicknamed the Chinese "assassins of aircraft carriers."





https://dambiev.livejournal.com/2129343.html

Modifications of the Chinese Xian H-6 long-range jet bombers for the PLA Navy

George1 wrote:Modifications of the Chinese Xian H-6 long-range jet bombers for the PLA Navy

I dont know if the pictures are correct, the H-6K dont have the glass nose but the H-6L does?

H-6K

China is building large new dry-docks in the Island of Hainan. Large enough to handle both the Type-1, 2 and 3 carriers.



They are also building a new airbase there.

They know what they r doing:
https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/01/10/21/chinas-big-battleship-building-spree-to-guard-its-aircraft-carriers

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/24/world/asia/china-taiwan-strait-exercise-biden.html

Naval AWACS