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Possible look of Izdeliye 715 (Kh-SD?) From patent submission document by Aleksey Yurkonenko [Tactical Missiles Corporation JSC (AO KTRV)]. By some accounts Izdeliye 715 should be similar to AGM-158 JASSM.
http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/248/2489674.html
http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/248/2489674.html
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New Russian cruise missiles X-50 and GZUR
According to Pyotr Butovsky in the article "Russian bombers to be armed with new Kh-50 theater-cruise missile" in the magazine "Jane's Missiles & Rockets", Russian sources in early December 2017 disclosed the designation X-50 for the new Russian operational- tactical (sub-strategic) cruise missile. Sources said that the deployment of X-50 missile production is planned within the framework of the new Russian State Armament Program for 2018-2027 (GPV-2027).
Developed by JSC "State Engineering Design Bureau" Rainbow "them. A. Ya. Bereznyak "in Dubna as part of the X-SD (" medium-range ") program, the X-50 missile is presumably a subsonic cruise missile using the X-101 strategic cruise missile guidance system, but with a smaller undetectable glider , similar to the American rocket AGM-158 JASSM. R & D on X-SD began in the early 1990s, but was subsequently suspended for several years.
The X-50 missile, designed to accommodate Tu-22M3 bombers and Tu-95MS and Tu-160 strategic bombers, is 6 m long in length - about 1.5 m less than the X-101 missile - and has a mass of about 1600 kg. It is expected that the rocket equipped with a turbofan engine developed by JSC Omsk Engine-Building Design Bureau (OMKB) "Product 37-04" (or TRDD-50B) reaches a range of more than 1500 km, having a cruising speed of 700 km / h and a maximum speed of 950 km / h.
The fuselage of the rocket has an oblate cross-section and faceted sides; these forms combine the requirements for a reduction in radar visibility and for the most effective use of the volume of the weapons compartment of a heavy bomber when deployed on a six-position revolving revolving launcher. The guidance system includes a combination of an inertial navigation system with correction for GPS / GLONASS in the march area and an electronic optical digital correlation system "Otblesk" (analogous to DSMAC) for the final section. In addition to the low visibility of the glider, to penetrate into areas covered by enemy air defense, the X-50 missile uses a low-altitude flight profile and is equipped with a self-defense system, including a small station of active electronic interference and towed traps. The military part of the missile can be of two types: the penetrating BS-715P for the defeat of protected targets, or the cluster BS-715K for the destruction of aerodromes and other area targets.
The X-50 missile is planned as an armament for modernized Russian long-range bombers. The Tu-22M3M bomber will house six X-50 missiles on the internal turret launcher and two rockets on the external suspension, while the Tu-95MSM strategic bomber can carry up to 14 missiles, including six on the internal suspension. Tu-160M / M2 aircraft will be capable of carrying up to 12 missiles on two internal turret launchers.
Some characteristics of the X-50 missile can be estimated on the basis of the design of the export version of the tactical missile X-59MK2, presented at the MAKS-2015 air show in Moscow, which should have the same guidance system and the same engine, Article 37-04. The X-59MK2 type DSMAC missile, designated in the export version as the OE-M, provides a declared accuracy of 3-5 m guidance. The X-59MK2 is the developed analogue of the MBDA Storm Shadow missile and is designed to defeat small protected targets with known coordinates . The status of the X-59MK2 missile is unclear. It is possible that this preliminary proposal, advertised to search for a potential foreign investor, and the Russian version of this missile, may not exist. At a weight of 770 kg, the X-59MK2 tactical missile is smaller than the X-50, having a length of 4.2 m and a square fuselage cross section of 40 × 40 cm, adapted for placement in the internal fighter armament compartment, for example, the Su-57.
Another Russian development designed to operate in conditions of strong enemy air defense is a new tactical operational hypersonic missile developed jointly by the head enterprise of the Corporation Tactical Missile Arms Corporation in Korolev and the State MRC "Raduga" in Dubna as part of the program "Hypersonic guided missile "(GZUR). The military designation of this missile is still undiscovered.
According to reports, GZUR is a missile with a speed of M = 6 and with a range of 1500 km in flight by altitude profile. The length of the rocket is 6 m, and the weight is about 1500 kg. As you can understand, the missile has mainly anti-ship designation. The missile will be equipped with a ramjet engine Product 70 developed by PJSC TMKB Soyuz in Turaevo and equipped with a combined active-passive radar homing head known as Gran-75, which is being developed by JSC Ural Design Bureau "Detail" in Kamensk-Uralsky; broadband passive channel ("Gran-75PK") for this homing head is created by JSC "Central Design Bureau of Automation" (TsKBA) in Omsk. The "Granyu-75" refers to the modification of the "Gran-K" self-guidance head used in the tactical anti-ship missile Kh-35U.
According to sources in the Russian industry, by 2020 it is assumed that the rocket of GZUR will be mass-produced at a rate of "up to 50 items per year", which suggests that it is currently being tested.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3016213.html
According to Pyotr Butovsky in the article "Russian bombers to be armed with new Kh-50 theater-cruise missile" in the magazine "Jane's Missiles & Rockets", Russian sources in early December 2017 disclosed the designation X-50 for the new Russian operational- tactical (sub-strategic) cruise missile. Sources said that the deployment of X-50 missile production is planned within the framework of the new Russian State Armament Program for 2018-2027 (GPV-2027).
Developed by JSC "State Engineering Design Bureau" Rainbow "them. A. Ya. Bereznyak "in Dubna as part of the X-SD (" medium-range ") program, the X-50 missile is presumably a subsonic cruise missile using the X-101 strategic cruise missile guidance system, but with a smaller undetectable glider , similar to the American rocket AGM-158 JASSM. R & D on X-SD began in the early 1990s, but was subsequently suspended for several years.
The X-50 missile, designed to accommodate Tu-22M3 bombers and Tu-95MS and Tu-160 strategic bombers, is 6 m long in length - about 1.5 m less than the X-101 missile - and has a mass of about 1600 kg. It is expected that the rocket equipped with a turbofan engine developed by JSC Omsk Engine-Building Design Bureau (OMKB) "Product 37-04" (or TRDD-50B) reaches a range of more than 1500 km, having a cruising speed of 700 km / h and a maximum speed of 950 km / h.
The fuselage of the rocket has an oblate cross-section and faceted sides; these forms combine the requirements for a reduction in radar visibility and for the most effective use of the volume of the weapons compartment of a heavy bomber when deployed on a six-position revolving revolving launcher. The guidance system includes a combination of an inertial navigation system with correction for GPS / GLONASS in the march area and an electronic optical digital correlation system "Otblesk" (analogous to DSMAC) for the final section. In addition to the low visibility of the glider, to penetrate into areas covered by enemy air defense, the X-50 missile uses a low-altitude flight profile and is equipped with a self-defense system, including a small station of active electronic interference and towed traps. The military part of the missile can be of two types: the penetrating BS-715P for the defeat of protected targets, or the cluster BS-715K for the destruction of aerodromes and other area targets.
The X-50 missile is planned as an armament for modernized Russian long-range bombers. The Tu-22M3M bomber will house six X-50 missiles on the internal turret launcher and two rockets on the external suspension, while the Tu-95MSM strategic bomber can carry up to 14 missiles, including six on the internal suspension. Tu-160M / M2 aircraft will be capable of carrying up to 12 missiles on two internal turret launchers.
Some characteristics of the X-50 missile can be estimated on the basis of the design of the export version of the tactical missile X-59MK2, presented at the MAKS-2015 air show in Moscow, which should have the same guidance system and the same engine, Article 37-04. The X-59MK2 type DSMAC missile, designated in the export version as the OE-M, provides a declared accuracy of 3-5 m guidance. The X-59MK2 is the developed analogue of the MBDA Storm Shadow missile and is designed to defeat small protected targets with known coordinates . The status of the X-59MK2 missile is unclear. It is possible that this preliminary proposal, advertised to search for a potential foreign investor, and the Russian version of this missile, may not exist. At a weight of 770 kg, the X-59MK2 tactical missile is smaller than the X-50, having a length of 4.2 m and a square fuselage cross section of 40 × 40 cm, adapted for placement in the internal fighter armament compartment, for example, the Su-57.
Another Russian development designed to operate in conditions of strong enemy air defense is a new tactical operational hypersonic missile developed jointly by the head enterprise of the Corporation Tactical Missile Arms Corporation in Korolev and the State MRC "Raduga" in Dubna as part of the program "Hypersonic guided missile "(GZUR). The military designation of this missile is still undiscovered.
According to reports, GZUR is a missile with a speed of M = 6 and with a range of 1500 km in flight by altitude profile. The length of the rocket is 6 m, and the weight is about 1500 kg. As you can understand, the missile has mainly anti-ship designation. The missile will be equipped with a ramjet engine Product 70 developed by PJSC TMKB Soyuz in Turaevo and equipped with a combined active-passive radar homing head known as Gran-75, which is being developed by JSC Ural Design Bureau "Detail" in Kamensk-Uralsky; broadband passive channel ("Gran-75PK") for this homing head is created by JSC "Central Design Bureau of Automation" (TsKBA) in Omsk. The "Granyu-75" refers to the modification of the "Gran-K" self-guidance head used in the tactical anti-ship missile Kh-35U.
According to sources in the Russian industry, by 2020 it is assumed that the rocket of GZUR will be mass-produced at a rate of "up to 50 items per year", which suggests that it is currently being tested.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3016213.html
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New Russian cruise missiles X-50 and GZUR
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December 22nd, 6:14
According to Pyotr Butovsky in the article "Russian bombers to be armed with new Kh-50 theater-cruise missile" in the magazine "Jane's Missiles & Rockets", Russian sources in early December 2017 disclosed the designation X-50 for the new Russian operational- tactical (sub-strategic) cruise missile. Sources said that the deployment of X-50 missile production is planned within the framework of the new Russian State Arms Program for 2018-2027 (GPV-2027).
X50
Scheme of the new Russian airborne cruise missile X-50, executed on the basis of the patent of Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV), JSC (c) Petr Butovsky (via Jane's)
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Developed by JSC "State Engineering Design Bureau" Rainbow "them. A. Ya. Bereznyak "in Dubna as part of the X-SD (" medium-range ") program, the X-50 missile is presumably a subsonic cruise missile using the X-101 strategic cruise missile guidance system, but with a smaller undetectable glider , similar to the American rocket AGM-158 JASSM. R & D on X-SD began in the early 1990s, but was subsequently suspended for several years.
The X-50 missile, designed to accommodate Tu-22M3 bombers and Tu-95MS and Tu-160 strategic bombers, is 6 m long - about 1.5 m less than the X-101 missile - and has a mass of about 1600 kg. It is expected that the rocket equipped with a turbofan engine developed by JSC Omsk Engine-Building Design Bureau (OMKB) "Product 37-04" (or TRDD-50B) reaches a range of more than 1500 km, having a cruising speed of 700 km / h and a maximum speed of 950 km / h.
The fuselage of the rocket has an oblate cross-section and faceted sides; these forms combine the requirements for a reduction in radar visibility and for the most effective use of the volume of the weapons compartment of a heavy bomber when deployed on a six-position revolving revolving launcher. The guidance system includes a combination of an inertial navigation system with correction for GPS / GLONASS in the march area and an electronic optical digital correlation system "Otblesk" (analogous to DSMAC) for the final section. In addition to the low-visibility glider, to penetrate into areas covered by enemy air defense, the X-50 missile uses a low-altitude flight profile and is equipped with a self-defense system, including a small station of active electronic interference and towed traps. The military part of the missile can be of two types: the penetrating BS-715P for the defeat of protected targets, or the cluster BS-715K for the destruction of aerodromes and other area targets.
The X-50 missile is planned as an armament for modernized Russian long-range bombers. The Tu-22M3M bomber will house six X-50 missiles on the internal turret launcher and two rockets on the external suspension, while the Tu-95MSM strategic bomber can carry up to 14 missiles, including six on the internal suspension. Tu-160M / M2 aircraft will be capable of carrying up to 12 missiles on two internal turret launchers.
Some characteristics of the X-50 missile can be estimated on the basis of the design of the export version of the tactical missile X-59MK2, presented at the MAKS-2015 air show in Moscow, which should have the same guidance system and the same engine, Article 37-04. The X-59MK2 type DSMAC missile, designated in the export version as the OE-M, provides a declared accuracy of 3-5 m guidance. The X-59MK2 is the developed analogue of the MBDA Storm Shadow and is designed to defeat small, protected targets with known coordinates . The status of the X-59MK2 missile is unclear. It is possible that this preliminary proposal, advertised to search for a potential foreign investor, and the Russian version of this missile, may not exist. At a weight of 770 kg, the X-59MK2 tactical missile is smaller than the X-50, having a length of 4.2 m and a square fuselage cross section of 40 × 40 cm, adapted for placement in the internal fighter armament compartment - for example, the Su-57.
Another Russian development designed to operate in conditions of strong enemy air defense is a new tactical operational hypersonic missile developed jointly by the head enterprise of the Corporation Tactical Missile Arms Corporation in Korolev and the State MRC "Raduga" in Dubna as part of the program "Hypersonic guided missile "(GZUR). The military designation of this missile is still undiscovered.
According to reports, GZUR is a missile with a speed of M = 6 and with a range of 1500 km in flight by altitude profile. The length of the rocket is 6 m, and the weight is about 1500 kg. As you can understand, the missile has mainly anti-ship designation. The missile will be equipped with a straight-through air
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MC-21 wrote:New Russian cruise missiles X-50
So now we know the name of the Izd 715 missile that was mentioned in Tu-22M thread recently
According to P. Butowski the X-50 has a jammer and towed decoys
Apart from the low-observable airframe, to penetrate the enemy air defence the Kh-50 missile uses low-altitude flight profile and is equipped with self-protection devices, including a small active electronic jammer and towed decoys.
http://www.janes.com/article/76602/russian-bombers-to-be-armed-with-new-kh-50-theatre-level-cruise-missile
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Gentlemen, what the hell just happened.
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Also note what Putin stated. The nuclear engine for this thing can fit on existing weapons like Kh-101 and Tomahawk (guessing on how it universally works). Awesome stuff.
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Miketerrible wrote:Also note what Putin stated. The nuclear engine for this thing can fit on existing weapons like Kh-101 and Tomahawk (guessing on how it universally works). Awesome stuff.
So the missile was photo/vision tracked from a sukhoi-30 it seems..? I mean the fighter was tracking the missile in flight (with eye contact).
Hmmm.. they used to do a lot with kh-101 and may be with tomahawk.
But this must be more advanced in carrying iinfrared jammers(DIRCM), infrared decoys , radar jammers and also a heavy armour/stealth on the missile.
U.S missile defense will be totally fooled by such low level flight. Strange mix of hypersonic and subsonic weapons .. to completely out flank the U.S missile
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New Russian cruise missiles X-50 and GZUR
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December 22nd, 6:14
According to Pyotr Butovsky in the article "Russian bombers to be armed with new Kh-50 theater-cruise missile" in the magazine "Jane's Missiles & Rockets", Russian sources in early December 2017 disclosed the designation X-50 for the new Russian operational- tactical (sub-strategic) cruise missile. Sources said that the deployment of X-50 missile production is planned within the framework of the new Russian State Arms Program for 2018-2027 (GPV-2027).
X50
Scheme of the new Russian airborne cruise missile X-50, executed on the basis of the patent of Tactical Missile Armament Corporation
I think the Kinzhal product is related to these previous 2 missiles
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From some footage I can see the podded jet engine still there on the X-101 cruise missile. Dont podded engines remove any stealth a missile(or aircraft has)?
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KomissarBojanchev wrote:From some footage I can see the podded jet engine still there on the X-101 cruise missile. Dont podded engines remove any stealth a missile(or aircraft has)?
The engine is under the missile so it is hidden by the boddy to all airborne radars specially the front of the engine. It changes nothing to its stealth.
Moreover it flies very low so ground based radar will see it only when it is close to them. Even with a stralth engine it would be detected so better go for the cheaper engine they already have which is also much more efficient because they don't use an S shape entry to send the air in the missile as it is done on kh-35 or other western missiles.
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KomissarBojanchev wrote:From some footage I can see the podded jet engine still there on the X-101 cruise missile. Dont podded engines remove any stealth a missile(or aircraft has)?
Are you sure you aren't confusing them with Kh-55? Those do have podded engine but they were never stealth missiles to begin with.
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The X-101 is a modification of the X-55.PapaDragon wrote:KomissarBojanchev wrote:From some footage I can see the podded jet engine still there on the X-101 cruise missile. Dont podded engines remove any stealth a missile(or aircraft has)?
Are you sure you aren't confusing them with Kh-55? Those do have podded engine but they were never stealth missiles to begin with.
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KomissarBojanchev wrote:....
The X-101 is a modification of the X-55.
Those two are as similar as MiG-21 and Su-57
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The X-101 is a modification of the X-55.
No it is not.
Kh-555 is a modification of the Kh-55, Kh-101 and Kh-102 are completely new missiles with completely new engines... they are almost double the weight of the Kh-55s for a start.
Contrary to popular belief most cruise missiles actually fly at medium altitude for the first part of a long flight and then drop down to lower altitudes to penetrate enemy air defences.
This extends flight range by quite a bit.
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Kh-101 loading in Tu-160 and Tu-95MS, Strategic nuclear forces’ drills
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Since 2012, a real breakthrough has been made in equipping the Russian Armed Forces with precision weapons. Thus, the number of carriers of land, sea and air-based increased more than 12 times, and high-precision cruise missiles - more than 30 times.
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201811050621-t8d3.htm
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201811050621-t8d3.htm
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Which thread does this post belong in?
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One does not run into cutaways of russian tactical weapons with nuclear warheads inside too often, so behold, the Kh-15 short range ALBM, also known as SRAMski. 350 kt thermonuclear, very 'telling' geometry.
Source: http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/x
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One does not run into cutaways of russian tactical weapons with nuclear warheads inside too often, so behold, the Kh-15 short range ALBM, also known as SRAMski. 350 kt thermonuclear, very 'telling' geometry.
Source: http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/x
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JohninMK wrote:Which thread does this post belong in?
Dmitry Stefanovich
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One does not run into cutaways of russian tactical weapons with nuclear warheads inside too often, so behold, the Kh-15 short range ALBM, also known as SRAMski. 350 kt thermonuclear, very 'telling' geometry.
Source: http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/x
Here i think
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It doesn't actually, but I am going to leave it.
The Kh-15 is a rocket propelled mach 5 missile that was to be carried by heavy bombers including the Bear, the Blackjack and the Backfire... its purpose was to streak ahead of the bomber and take out serious threats that appeared in the bombers path... for instance a SAM site lights up 500km away looking for targets, or a known enemy airbase or port... or indeed a huge swarm of interceptor aircraft appear on radar 400km away and closing... you launch a Kh-15 and its high speed (mach 5) means it gets to the target area quickly and neutralises the threat with a nuclear warhead.
Think of it as being an over powered ARM used to clear pathways through enemy defences... the Backfire could carry a total of 10 of these missiles with four being externally carried and 6 missiles carried in its internal rotary weapon bay. For the Bear it could carry 12 internally but would generally carry long range cruise missiles as its primary payload externally, while the Blackjack could carry 12 in one weapon bay with the other bay carrying 6 cruise missiles... not all Blackjacks in the flight had Kh-15s which were called AS-15 Kickback missiles as their primary weapon was cruise missiles.
There was talk of making an anti ship version but AFAIK it never happened... and now ramjet and scramjet weapons are being developed I don't think it will be.
The Kh-15 is a rocket propelled mach 5 missile that was to be carried by heavy bombers including the Bear, the Blackjack and the Backfire... its purpose was to streak ahead of the bomber and take out serious threats that appeared in the bombers path... for instance a SAM site lights up 500km away looking for targets, or a known enemy airbase or port... or indeed a huge swarm of interceptor aircraft appear on radar 400km away and closing... you launch a Kh-15 and its high speed (mach 5) means it gets to the target area quickly and neutralises the threat with a nuclear warhead.
Think of it as being an over powered ARM used to clear pathways through enemy defences... the Backfire could carry a total of 10 of these missiles with four being externally carried and 6 missiles carried in its internal rotary weapon bay. For the Bear it could carry 12 internally but would generally carry long range cruise missiles as its primary payload externally, while the Blackjack could carry 12 in one weapon bay with the other bay carrying 6 cruise missiles... not all Blackjacks in the flight had Kh-15s which were called AS-15 Kickback missiles as their primary weapon was cruise missiles.
There was talk of making an anti ship version but AFAIK it never happened... and now ramjet and scramjet weapons are being developed I don't think it will be.
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Bloody hell Garry, you are a custom Wiki
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Sad about Holden tho'.
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From bmpd article
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4022285.html
Comment by bmpd. It can be assumed that a promising operational tactical hypersonic missile was tested from a Tu-22M3 aircraft, which, according to Western sources, is being created jointly by the head company of Tactical Missile Corporation Corporation in Korolev and GosMKB Raduga in Dubna as part of the program "Hypersonic guided missile" (GZUR).
The Western press reported that GZUR is a missile with a speed of M = 6 and a flight range of 1,500 km when flying along a high-altitude profile. The length of the rocket is 6 m, and the weight is about 1500 kg. As you can understand, the missile has mainly anti-ship assignment. The missile is equipped with the Item 70 ramjet engine developed by PJSC Soyuz TMKB in Turaevo and is equipped with a combined active-passive homing radar known as Gran-75, which is being developed by Ural Design Bureau Design JSC Detail "in Kamensk-Uralsky; the broadband passive channel (Gran-75PK) for this homing head is being created by the Central Design Bureau of Automation JSC (TsKBA) in Omsk. “Fringe-75” refers to the modification of the homing head “Fragment-K” used in the tactical anti-ship missile X-35U.
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The information about Gzur from George1 post is a translation from a Ihs analysis, there they say that Gzur uses a ramjet and Brashmos 2 uses a scramjet engine from NPO mashinostroyeniya doesn't make sense.
NPO and Raduga are from the same holding KTRV, if one developed a scramjet, the other has one or the same, the first successful test of Zircon was in 2015.
Kh-MT will use a ramjet.
I think NPO mashinostroyeniya doesn't build air-launched weapons and Raduga doesn't build ship launched, that's why no air-to-surface oniks, and no ship/submarine launched kh-101.
My 2 cents.
NPO and Raduga are from the same holding KTRV, if one developed a scramjet, the other has one or the same, the first successful test of Zircon was in 2015.
Kh-MT will use a ramjet.
I think NPO mashinostroyeniya doesn't build air-launched weapons and Raduga doesn't build ship launched, that's why no air-to-surface oniks, and no ship/submarine launched kh-101.
My 2 cents.
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It notes that from 2012 to 2020, the number of cruise missiles in service with the Russian army increased 37 times. This type of weapons includes sea-based missiles "Caliber", air missiles X-101, and other similar types of weapons. Many of them are part of the strategic non-nuclear forces.
https://en.topwar.ru/178434-rossijskij-arsenal-krylatyh-raket-bolshoj-dalnosti-vyros-v-desjatki-raz.html
https://en.topwar.ru/178434-rossijskij-arsenal-krylatyh-raket-bolshoj-dalnosti-vyros-v-desjatki-raz.html
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George1 wrote:It notes that from 2012 to 2020, the number of cruise missiles in service with the Russian army increased 37 times. This type of weapons includes sea-based missiles "Caliber", air missiles X-101, and other similar types of weapons. Many of them are part of the strategic non-nuclear forces.
https://en.topwar.ru/178434-rossijskij-arsenal-krylatyh-raket-bolshoj-dalnosti-vyros-v-desjatki-raz.html
At the beginning of next year, we will conclude long-term contracts for the additional purchase of high-precision long-range missiles, which will double their number.
Quote from the official report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the results of 2020.
So, after a couple of years, the x37 will have to double.
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