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Russian Cruise Missiles Thread
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AFAIK the extended range estimates for the Kh-101 and Kh-102 is because the Russians have developed a new more powerful but also more fuel efficient engine for cruise missiles to replace those made in the Ukraine for older Soviet missiles.
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Prospective view of the Russian cruise missile X-101
1. Yes, we believe that the rocket engine is similar to the rocket X-55 engine, it is pulled out of the fuselage after the launch, along with the opening of the wings.
2. EPR? The engine is likely to most corners of the missile shield frame, which is made canonically - is in the form of reduced ESR.
3. The rocket was to enter the Air Force in 2013, but for that there is no evidence. Of course, advances in privacy - our all, but dozens of rockets - not a needle and even a foe surely be feared, but ... silence.
4. curious moment - one time there was a hypothesis about using a rocket X-101 propeller-fan motor. Perhaps such a project existed on paper, but in general it is even doubtful.
5. Conversion of the Kh-101 cruise missile universal for different launch platforms - aircraft, submarines, ships, etc. until just it seems extremely doubtful, but the media write about the pr.885 perspective. However, their right.
As for the new design - it's not perfect and has seen some of the shortcomings of interpretation. Let's wait for the critics, the facts, and I'll update.
ps in the media usually mention the Su-34 - I do not believe, but the facts do not ... modernized Tu-22M also is not lit the rocket. As the Tu-160.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1371195.html
1. Yes, we believe that the rocket engine is similar to the rocket X-55 engine, it is pulled out of the fuselage after the launch, along with the opening of the wings.
2. EPR? The engine is likely to most corners of the missile shield frame, which is made canonically - is in the form of reduced ESR.
3. The rocket was to enter the Air Force in 2013, but for that there is no evidence. Of course, advances in privacy - our all, but dozens of rockets - not a needle and even a foe surely be feared, but ... silence.
4. curious moment - one time there was a hypothesis about using a rocket X-101 propeller-fan motor. Perhaps such a project existed on paper, but in general it is even doubtful.
5. Conversion of the Kh-101 cruise missile universal for different launch platforms - aircraft, submarines, ships, etc. until just it seems extremely doubtful, but the media write about the pr.885 perspective. However, their right.
As for the new design - it's not perfect and has seen some of the shortcomings of interpretation. Let's wait for the critics, the facts, and I'll update.
ps in the media usually mention the Su-34 - I do not believe, but the facts do not ... modernized Tu-22M also is not lit the rocket. As the Tu-160.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1371195.html
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Sivkov: cruise missiles X-101 could be used for the first time in Syria
Russian combat aircraft to Syria for the first time can use the new super-powerful vacuum bomb, weighing about 40 tons, also the president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Konstantin Sivkov.
MOSCOW, November 18 - RIA Novosti. The newest cruise missiles X-101, never before used in combat may have been involved in the air strikes inflicted on the eve of the air and space forces of the Russian Federation on the positions "of the Islamic state" in Syria, said RIA Novosti Wednesday, the president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Konstantin Sivkov.
He was commenting on reports by some media, according to which the Russian strategic bombers Tu-95MS, involved in the operation of the RF videoconferencing in Syria from November 17, allegedly fired on the positions of the IG cruise missiles X-101, which was their first combat use in history.
"Most likely, all was well. On the one hand, it is an act of intimidation LIH, and the other - testing new weapons. It is one thing - to make education one or two launches of missiles, and the other - its combat use," - said Sivkov.
The interviewee noted that the X-101 missile could be launched from the territory of Russia, as its range of defeat is more than 5000 kilometers, twice the range of the missile, "Caliber", launched by IG from the Caspian Sea. However, to date, ground launchers for such missiles there.
"The launch of this missile can be carried out with at least a height of 3 thousand meters, maximum - 12 thousand meters, provided that the aircraft is moving at a speed of 900 kilometers per hour. In contrast to the land- and sea-based at the X-101 is not the start of the engine, so it should be to drop from the air, so that it already had an initial speed "- said the expert.
According Sivkova during operation videoconferencing in Syria can be tested, and other advanced weaponry.
"I think that for the first time in Syria, can be used a new heavy-duty vacuum bomb, weighing about 40 tons with an explosive capacity of about 400 tons of TNT. There may also be tested in action guided aerial bombs caliber big weight of 1.5 tons," - he said.
According to open sources, advanced cruise missiles X-101/102, which differ from each other warhead (non-nuclear and nuclear respectively) were developed by Engineering Design Bureau "Raduga" in the period of 1995-2013 years. The missile has a launch weight of 2.4 tons, range of lesion - 5500 kilometers. Currently, they are mass-produced for strategic missile-carrying bomber Tu-95MS.
Russian combat aircraft to Syria for the first time can use the new super-powerful vacuum bomb, weighing about 40 tons, also the president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Konstantin Sivkov.
MOSCOW, November 18 - RIA Novosti. The newest cruise missiles X-101, never before used in combat may have been involved in the air strikes inflicted on the eve of the air and space forces of the Russian Federation on the positions "of the Islamic state" in Syria, said RIA Novosti Wednesday, the president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Konstantin Sivkov.
He was commenting on reports by some media, according to which the Russian strategic bombers Tu-95MS, involved in the operation of the RF videoconferencing in Syria from November 17, allegedly fired on the positions of the IG cruise missiles X-101, which was their first combat use in history.
"Most likely, all was well. On the one hand, it is an act of intimidation LIH, and the other - testing new weapons. It is one thing - to make education one or two launches of missiles, and the other - its combat use," - said Sivkov.
The interviewee noted that the X-101 missile could be launched from the territory of Russia, as its range of defeat is more than 5000 kilometers, twice the range of the missile, "Caliber", launched by IG from the Caspian Sea. However, to date, ground launchers for such missiles there.
"The launch of this missile can be carried out with at least a height of 3 thousand meters, maximum - 12 thousand meters, provided that the aircraft is moving at a speed of 900 kilometers per hour. In contrast to the land- and sea-based at the X-101 is not the start of the engine, so it should be to drop from the air, so that it already had an initial speed "- said the expert.
According Sivkova during operation videoconferencing in Syria can be tested, and other advanced weaponry.
"I think that for the first time in Syria, can be used a new heavy-duty vacuum bomb, weighing about 40 tons with an explosive capacity of about 400 tons of TNT. There may also be tested in action guided aerial bombs caliber big weight of 1.5 tons," - he said.
According to open sources, advanced cruise missiles X-101/102, which differ from each other warhead (non-nuclear and nuclear respectively) were developed by Engineering Design Bureau "Raduga" in the period of 1995-2013 years. The missile has a launch weight of 2.4 tons, range of lesion - 5500 kilometers. Currently, they are mass-produced for strategic missile-carrying bomber Tu-95MS.
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Kh-101, in operational paintjob, shown in this Russian MOD video in what is obviously the weapons bay of a Tu-160 - heavily implying it was deployed in the Syria airstrikes:
https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/666661430511460352
https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/666661430511460352
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Do Kh-101 cruise missile have engine that falls down or is protected by Scoop intake
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Austin wrote:Do Kh-101 cruise missile have engine that falls down or is protected by Scoop intake
The engine gets lowered, just like Kh-55.
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As can be seen in the following image, Kh-555 has both radar and optical TERCOM guidance.
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meanwhile, russophobes in hysterical joy over the failure of one russian cruise missile (article comment section) 
I wonder if this is a new cruise missile in development
Russian cruise missile goes astray, lands near village
I wonder if this is a new cruise missile in development Russian cruise missile goes astray, lands near village
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Project Canada wrote:meanwhile, russophobes in hysterical joy over the failure of one russian cruise missile (article comment section)
Russian cruise missile goes astray, lands near village
Why do you consistently post garbage? All you are doing is posting links to: "look what these people say about Russians. They are stupid according to these people!!!" No one cares. Stop flooding this forums with garbage yahoo news.
1 Failed? Oh noes! We can point to countless western failures. But that isn't the point of the forums and isn't the point of the discussion about what westerners think.
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I guess the key here is:
1) whether this was actually a cruise missile
2) what are the details of the missile and whether it is a prototype.
The rest is trash. We already know from official sources that 15% of US cruise missiles failed in 1999 during the NATO
gang rape of Serbia. Yet one never hears about any test failures in the USA. This suggests testing in remote regions.
Russia has plenty of remote regions, yet we are to believe that it sends its test missiles near villages. Obvious BS.
If someone is going to claim that this missile veered off course for 100s of kms I will call BS again. The missile would
crash long before it could get that far.
So the Yahoo story is BS.
1) whether this was actually a cruise missile
2) what are the details of the missile and whether it is a prototype.
The rest is trash. We already know from official sources that 15% of US cruise missiles failed in 1999 during the NATO
gang rape of Serbia. Yet one never hears about any test failures in the USA. This suggests testing in remote regions.
Russia has plenty of remote regions, yet we are to believe that it sends its test missiles near villages. Obvious BS.
If someone is going to claim that this missile veered off course for 100s of kms I will call BS again. The missile would
crash long before it could get that far.
So the Yahoo story is BS.
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There was a test crash, it was on Tass. It hit near a city and claimed it damaged a house. But afterwards the government said no actual damage occured and investigation ongoing for failure. We know that 2 failed over over 30 launched in Syria so not unheard of. And the results are better than NATO. Thats to say, not much more info on it.
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kvs wrote:I guess the key here is:
1) whether this was actually a cruise missile
2) what are the details of the missile and whether it is a prototype.
The rest is trash. We already know from official sources that 15% of US cruise missiles failed in 1999 during the NATO
gang rape of Serbia. Yet one never hears about any test failures in the USA. This suggests testing in remote regions.
Russia has plenty of remote regions, yet we are to believe that it sends its test missiles near villages. Obvious BS.
If someone is going to claim that this missile veered off course for 100s of kms I will call BS again. The missile would
crash long before it could get that far.
So the Yahoo story is BS.
I know a Bosnian lad, He lives in Sarajevo. Just outside his village there was a failed cruise missile. I met him when I was in Albania, He also told about some NATO bombs landing on civilian areas on purpose. If you ask me I say Russian cruise missiles are more reliable then any out there.
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sepheronx wrote:There was a test crash, it was on Tass. It hit near a city and claimed it damaged a house. But afterwards the government said no actual damage occured and investigation ongoing for failure. We know that 2 failed over over 30 launched in Syria so not unheard of. And the results are better than NATO. Thats to say, not much more info on it.
I stand corrected, the idiots in charge of this testing program need to be fired. They have no respect for public safety and for
Russia's image.
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kvs wrote:sepheronx wrote:There was a test crash, it was on Tass. It hit near a city and claimed it damaged a house. But afterwards the government said no actual damage occured and investigation ongoing for failure. We know that 2 failed over over 30 launched in Syria so not unheard of. And the results are better than NATO. Thats to say, not much more info on it.
I stand corrected, the idiots in charge of this testing program need to be fired. They have no respect for public safety and for
Russia's image.
The testing area is apparently known. Whatever happened with the cruise missile is probably guidance went wacky. This shit does happen and good thing it does as it will determin what caused it. Russia is in middle of import substitution, especially electronics so this will help them in long run (I am certain that all missiles components are domestic). Although, I agree there needs to be better areas to do this.
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Interesting
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New Fuel Increases Range of Russian Cruise Missiles by 185 Miles
A new propellant could be used in the engines of hypersonic strategic cruise missiles to increase their range by up to 300 kilometers (185 miles), Russian Deputy Defense Minister Dmitry Bulgakov said Tuesday.
"Over the past few years, Decylin-M fuel, which enables the range of strategic cruise missiles to be increased by 250-300 kilometers, began to be used by the Russian Armed Forces," Bulgakov told reporters.
Cruise missiles are widely used in Russia's anti-terrorist campaign in Syria, which is being conducted at Damascus' request. On October 7, the first launch of Kalibr cruise missiles (NATO reporting name SS-N-27 "Sizzler"), used in the Syrian air campaign, was conducted from the Caspian Sea. All the missiles reached their targets, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.
A new propellant could be used in the engines of hypersonic strategic cruise missiles to increase their range by up to 300 kilometers (185 miles), Russian Deputy Defense Minister Dmitry Bulgakov said Tuesday.
"Over the past few years, Decylin-M fuel, which enables the range of strategic cruise missiles to be increased by 250-300 kilometers, began to be used by the Russian Armed Forces," Bulgakov told reporters.
Cruise missiles are widely used in Russia's anti-terrorist campaign in Syria, which is being conducted at Damascus' request. On October 7, the first launch of Kalibr cruise missiles (NATO reporting name SS-N-27 "Sizzler"), used in the Syrian air campaign, was conducted from the Caspian Sea. All the missiles reached their targets, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.
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How will Kh-101, having a 5000 km range fare against moving targets, like ships. Against a fixed target, guidance is easy and we've seen they tested it out in Syria. Don't you think Guidance will be the problem with this kind of missiles against moving targets?
Can we've ASM dedicated Kh-101/102 also ?
Can we've ASM dedicated Kh-101/102 also ?
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It has some potential against moving targets because it has terminal homing.
If it has sensors that detect enemy radar emissions and an IR sensor that can detect heat signatures then it could be used against moving targets but the real problem is that the time it takes to travel 5,000km means even a slow moving target can move a great distance.
Options including flying at medium height scanning large areas with IR and passive radar sensor to find target... or a search pattern based on the last known location of the target to allow the target to be reacquired when the missile gets there.
would be less of an issue for a much faster missile like a hypersonic weapon.
If it has sensors that detect enemy radar emissions and an IR sensor that can detect heat signatures then it could be used against moving targets but the real problem is that the time it takes to travel 5,000km means even a slow moving target can move a great distance.
Options including flying at medium height scanning large areas with IR and passive radar sensor to find target... or a search pattern based on the last known location of the target to allow the target to be reacquired when the missile gets there.
would be less of an issue for a much faster missile like a hypersonic weapon.
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More:MOSCOW, November 18. /TASS/. Russia’s Kh-101 cruise missiles, which a Tupolev-95MSM bomber used against terrorists in Syria for the first time on Thursday, have a circular error probable of no more than seven meters, the editor-in-chief of the Arsenal Otechestva (Arsenal of the Fartherland) magazine, Viktor Murakhovsky told TASS.
http://tass.com/defense/913293
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Russian aviation developed Ultra-long cruise missile
Cruise missile designed for long-range strategic modernized Tu-160m2, said in an interview with news agency RNS scientific director of FSUE "GosNIIAS" Academician Yevgeny Fedosov.
"Now I lay in the draft modernized Tu-160M rocket so-called X-DB - long range. The range of her secret. It is known that its predecessor - the rocket X-101 with the usual charge has a range of 3 thousand. Km. The new rocket range will be much more "- Fedosov said.
Cruise missile Kh-101 launcher turret in the inner compartment of the strategic bomber Tu-160
According yo Fedosov, "today delineated concept: not to introduce long-range aviation aircraft in the enemy's air defense zone."
"It has to work outside this zone, and the weapon enters the zone. If such an aircraft carries a lot of weapons, it starts to work again the principle of the information degradation in air defense. Without going into the enemy's air defense zone, and launching missiles there, we dictate the direction of impact, time and density. And if you have a good scout enemy air defenses, then we will always find a bottleneck and throw it in the throat of the grouping. If we are talking about a strategic nuclear strike, then at least one missile has always held. And this will be enough, "- Fedosov said.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2453045.html
Cruise missile designed for long-range strategic modernized Tu-160m2, said in an interview with news agency RNS scientific director of FSUE "GosNIIAS" Academician Yevgeny Fedosov.
"Now I lay in the draft modernized Tu-160M rocket so-called X-DB - long range. The range of her secret. It is known that its predecessor - the rocket X-101 with the usual charge has a range of 3 thousand. Km. The new rocket range will be much more "- Fedosov said.
Cruise missile Kh-101 launcher turret in the inner compartment of the strategic bomber Tu-160
According yo Fedosov, "today delineated concept: not to introduce long-range aviation aircraft in the enemy's air defense zone."
"It has to work outside this zone, and the weapon enters the zone. If such an aircraft carries a lot of weapons, it starts to work again the principle of the information degradation in air defense. Without going into the enemy's air defense zone, and launching missiles there, we dictate the direction of impact, time and density. And if you have a good scout enemy air defenses, then we will always find a bottleneck and throw it in the throat of the grouping. If we are talking about a strategic nuclear strike, then at least one missile has always held. And this will be enough, "- Fedosov said.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2453045.html
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‘Most advanced & highly reliable’: Putin commends designers of Kh-101 strategic cruise missile
https://www.rt.com/news/395530-strategic-cruise-missile-putin/
President Vladimir Putin has praised the reliability of Russian weaponry, while applauding the developers of the Kh-101 strategic air-to-surface cruise missile which has proven its effectiveness against terrorists in Syria.
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“I would like to thank both the military personnel and the designers and developers of one of our latest missile systems, Kh-101,” Putin said at a Meeting of the Commission for Military Technical Cooperation with Foreign State
“This missile system has proved highly reliable. It is indeed the most advanced weapon with high precision and capacity, and a range of 4,500 km, which is quite good,” he added, urging defense companies to step up production of modern weapons.
The Kh-101 missile, created by Raduga (Rainbow) Design Bureau, was first battle-tested in Syria in 2015, but the Russian military once again demonstrated its effectiveness on Wednesday, when Tu-95MS strategic bombers fired the missiles on Islamic State targets in Hama and Homs provinces.
Noting the potency of the new missiles with stealth radar-evading features, the Russian Defense Ministry said Wednesday’s precision strikes were carried out “from a distance of about 1,000 kilometers.”
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3 x Kh-101 was fired against IS Ammo storage from Tu-95MS
Target Impact 1000 km away from Launch
Target Impact 1000 km away from Launch
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Very interesting piece by Alexei Ramm for Izvestia discussing a new ALCM known as "Izdeliye 715" that is being developed for the #Tu22M3 by MKB Raduga. Missile likely to begin trials soon and will probably be carried internally on a rotary launcher.
https://iz.ru/663570/aleksei-ramm/ubiitcam-avianostcev-popolniat-arsenal
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George1 wrote:Very interesting piece by Alexei Ramm for Izvestia discussing a new ALCM known as "Izdeliye 715" that is being developed for the #Tu22M3 by MKB Raduga. Missile likely to begin trials soon and will probably be carried internally on a rotary launcher.
https://iz.ru/663570/aleksei-ramm/ubiitcam-avianostcev-popolniat-arsenal
Quite interesting, thanks....sounds like the range will be "several" thousand km....apparently more than double the range of the Kh-22/32 but less than the Kh-101....that's a considerable increase of the firepower of the Tu-22M3
According to the military historian Dmitry Boltenkov, thanks to the new cruise missiles Tu-22M3 will turn into unique multi-purpose shock systems.
- We can assume the following scenario. The Tu-22M3 regiment takes off for the mission. Under the wings of each bomber, two X-32 missiles, and in the fuselages - "revolvers" with "products 715" - First, launching cruise missiles. They knock out airbases, positions, radars and air defense command posts. Further, bombers approach targets and strike hard with more powerful X-32s. Tu-22M3 with 9-a-5015 will be useful in the war against terrorists. They will be able to strike high-precision strikes, like the "older brothers" Tu-95MS and Tu-160.
At present, there are about 80 long-range bombers Tu-22M3 in the Russian Air Force
