Russian-Made Crash Notification

RIP.

Russian Knights fighter jet crashes in Moscow Region — source

MOSCOW, June 9. /TASS/.

A Sukhoi Su-27 fighter aircraft of the Russian Knights aerobatic team has crashed in the Moscow Region and the pilot has been killed, sources in the law enforcement agencies told TASS on Thursday.

"The aircraft that crashed today near the village of Muranovo [Pushkinsky district] was part of the Russian Knights aerobatic team of Russia’s Aerospace Forces. Its pilot was killed," the source said.

Earlier reports said that the crashed aircraft was a Mikoyan MiG-29 belonging to an industrial enterprise. The MiG aircraft corporation later told TASS the planes of this type did not perform any flights on Thursday.

Piloting error and engine failure are considered as the main causes of the crash, the source told TASS.

The warplane crashed in the forest some 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) from the village of Muranovo. There are no houses nearby and the crash did not result in an explosion.

Earlier in the day, a ceremony was held to open a monument to aviators in Ashukino, located near Muranovo. The planes of the Russian Knights aerobatic team flew above Ashukino as part of the event, attended by Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov and Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force Viktor Bondarev.


More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/880988

Wth Blue Angels, Thunderbirds and now Russian Knights.
Bad month all over.

KiloGolf wrote:Wth Blue Angels, Thunderbirds and now Russian Knights.
Bad month all over.

And today also crash F-5E from Patrouille de Suisse in Netherland. It looks really bad month for acrobatic groups. I would say that Red Arrows and Frecce Tricolori should be careful.

zepia wrote:RIP.

Russian Knights fighter jet crashes in Moscow Region — source

MOSCOW, June 9. /TASS/.

A Sukhoi Su-27 fighter aircraft of the Russian Knights aerobatic team has crashed in the Moscow Region and the pilot has been killed, sources in the law enforcement agencies told TASS on Thursday.

"The aircraft that crashed today near the village of Muranovo [Pushkinsky district] was part of the Russian Knights aerobatic team of Russia’s Aerospace Forces. Its pilot was killed," the source said.

Earlier reports said that the crashed aircraft was a Mikoyan MiG-29 belonging to an industrial enterprise. The MiG aircraft corporation later told TASS the planes of this type did not perform any flights on Thursday.

Piloting error and engine failure are considered as the main causes of the crash, the source told TASS.

The warplane crashed in the forest some 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) from the village of Muranovo. There are no houses nearby and the crash did not result in an explosion.

Earlier in the day, a ceremony was held to open a monument to aviators in Ashukino, located near Muranovo. The planes of the Russian Knights aerobatic team flew above Ashukino as part of the event, attended by Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov and Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force Viktor Bondarev.


More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/880988

RIP, Major Sergei Eryomenko

Russian Tu-22M3 strategic bomber slides off runway

http://defence-blog.com/news/russian-tu-22m3-strategic-bomber-slides-off-runway.html

If it was kept secret then how do they know?

Anyway, interested to know what caused this.

sepheronx wrote:If it was kept secret then how do they know?

Anyway, interested to know what caused this.

Appears to have run off the runway. Unfortunately it had just received an overhaul in April. According to bmpd, it was the Ostov airfield in Pskov, just across the border from Estonia and Latvia which maybe is why that article was claiming it was a secret. Hopefully it is repairable.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1971082.html

I wonder why they would field such an aircraft so close to the borders? Anyway, probably will be repaired, as the Su-34 that rolled over not too long ago was sent back to NAPO for repair.

Russia have for sure the worst record in the world in aircraft and helicopters accidents.
Is abysmally bad ,and it should be really scary to fly in any military helicopter in Russia with
the really poor quality controls..  As i said a year ago.. the rate of accidents of Russia seems
to be a plane or hellicopter crash every 3 to 5 weeks. and this seems to be always the pattern. Sometimes as high as 2 crash per month 

Here is just another near fatal crash..

http://tass.ru/en/society/893939

Imho this is unacceptable
I really thing many people have be fired from his job ,for such terrible quality controls
and maintainance of Russian military aircraft. it seems that the probability to die
in one military aircraft in Russia is about 20% to 30%. that is 2 or 3 accident for every
10 aircraft flights. not good.. when is the Russian government going to improve
que quality controls and supervision of their airforce?  

What is even more interesting in all this.. claims that oh no "this is normal"
is that the Russian aviation private industry , Does not have this same abysmal record of accidents at all .  So the big problem here seems to be a management /supervision problem, in Russian Government with its mediocre leadership and abysmal supervision and abysmal quality controls.  I know this is the case.. because you can notice all this carelessness of Russia military for the conditions of many of its military bases. althought not all..

You have made a claim... back it up with facts or shut up.

If the Russian military has the worst safety record then list the top five countries with full details of aircraft incidents... you claim to be the expert... now prove it.

Vann7 wrote:Russia have for sure the worst record in the world in aircraft and helicopters accidents.
Is abysmally bad ,and it should be really scary to fly in any military helicopter in Russia with
the really poor quality controls..  As i said a year ago.. the rate of accidents of Russia seems
to be a plane or hellicopter crash every 3 to 5 weeks. and this seems to be always the pattern. Sometimes as high as 2 crash per month 

Here is just another near fatal crash..

http://tass.ru/en/society/893939

Imho this is unacceptable
I really thing many people have be fired from his job ,for such terrible quality controls
and maintainance of Russian military aircraft. it seems that the probability to die
in one military aircraft in Russia is about 20% to 30%. that is 2 or 3 accident for every
10 aircraft flights. not good.. when is the Russian government going to improve
que quality controls and supervision of their airforce?  

What is even more interesting in all this.. claims that oh no "this is normal"
is that the Russian aviation private industry , Does not have this same abysmal record of accidents at all .  So the big problem here seems to be a management /supervision problem, in Russian Government with its mediocre leadership and abysmal supervision and abysmal quality controls.  I know this is the case.. because you can notice all this carelessness of Russia military for the conditions of many of its military bases. althought not all..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_(2010%E2%80%93present)

By this wiki page the US accident record is waaaaay above to any other country.

Russia seems has quite small number of accidenty compared tothe US.

Singular_trafo wrote:
By this wiki page the US accident record is waaaaay above to any other country.

Russia seems has quite small number of accidenty compared tothe US.

Thats because that site the list is totally outdated ,and do not report not even 10%
of the accidents in Russia with planes.

But in the month of June 2016 alone about 5 plane accidents. in Russia alone.. This is not normal. at the pace Russia crash or have accidents planes , is faster at times than the pace they build them per month.


http://www.defensetech.org/2015/07/06/fifth-russian-military-aircraft-crashes-in-past-month/

http://live-defensetech.sites.thewpvalet.com/2015/06/11/three-russia-aircraft-crash-in-past-week-two-fleets-grounded/

Then you compare all this accidents with the rate of accidents of Russian civilian PRIVATE airliners of Russia ,that do hundreds of flights every day over long distances. and there is a huge difference. because the record of Russia private companies is far better and this is planes with a million more parts and electronics. and that carry hundreds of people at a time.

I cannot imagine why anyone here will see a single reason ,why 5 planes crashing in a month ,to malfunctions of hardware is a normal thing.      And Russia being forced to ground
not one but two totally different models of planes..  it looks like a serious problem of Russia
quality controls check , perhaps combined with low payment and will not be surprised if also
there is a facilities poor quality controls too.  

In the above report they suggest is the over use the problem and that they are old
planes. .but you see SU-34 with accidents too.  

My believe however is the poor quality controls.. why ? we have seen that too ,
in Russia space program with the Progress cargo space ship. and you have Rogozin himself
speaking about problems with the people in charge of quality controls. and problems with the low pay.  I will like to imagine is just my imagination , but i cant do it.  

5 accidents in just one month looks too much for me. it have to be really scary ,
to fly a military plane in Russia ,knowing that every month from 1-5 planes will crash in Russia.
and you could be the next one.

Will anyone here not feel worried if need to travel to another country and you become aware
that every month the civilians airliner you will use , lose from 2 to 5 planes a month?

I understand accidents happens , but this looks too much.
and it is summer ,that it cannot be blamed on "cold bad weather"

In Portugal a firefighting Be-200 'clipped' trees http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2072023.html (in Russian, bunch more pics there)


Looks more like 'flew through a copse' & somehow came out flying, made a landing

Vann7 wrote:

Singular_trafo wrote:
By this wiki page the US accident record is waaaaay above to any other country.

Russia seems has quite small number of accidenty compared tothe US.

Thats because that site the list is totally outdated ,and do not report not even 10%
of the accidents in Russia with planes.

But in the month of June 2016 alone about 5 plane accidents. in Russia alone.. This is not normal. at the pace Russia crash or have accidents planes , is faster at times than the pace they build them per month.


http://www.defensetech.org/2015/07/06/fifth-russian-military-aircraft-crashes-in-past-month/

http://live-defensetech.sites.thewpvalet.com/2015/06/11/three-russia-aircraft-crash-in-past-week-two-fleets-grounded/

Then you compare all this accidents with the rate of accidents of Russian civilian PRIVATE airliners of Russia ,that do hundreds of flights every day over long distances. and there is a huge difference. because the record of Russia private companies is far better and this is planes with a million more parts and electronics. and that carry hundreds of people at a time.

I cannot imagine why anyone here will see a single reason ,why 5 planes crashing in a month ,to malfunctions of hardware is a normal thing.      And Russia being forced to ground
not one but two totally different models of planes..  it looks like a serious problem of Russia
quality controls check , perhaps combined with low payment and will not be surprised if also
there is a facilities poor quality controls too.  

In the above report they suggest is the over use the problem and that they are old
planes. .but you see SU-34 with accidents too.  

My believe however is the poor quality controls.. why ? we have seen that too ,
in Russia space program with the Progress cargo space ship. and you have Rogozin himself
speaking about problems with the people in charge of quality controls. and problems with the low pay.  I will like to imagine is just my imagination , but i cant do it.  

5 accidents in just one month looks too much for me. it have to be really scary ,
to fly a military plane in Russia ,knowing that every month from 1-5 planes will crash in Russia.
and you could be the next one.

Will anyone here not feel worried if need to travel to another country and you become aware
that every month the civilians airliner you will use , lose from 2 to 5 planes a month?

I understand accidents happens , but this looks too much.
and it is summer ,that it cannot be blamed on "cold bad weather"

Let go throught step by step.

If the wiki record contain prooven data, but not complete, then you can expect that not only russian ,but other , including US data missing.
Second, to make statistical analysis with high confidence you need to know the level of flight hours per accident during the give month

Third, you need to compare the accident history of the russian air force to other air forces.



It can be interesting to see this kind of analysis : )


But, at the moment I can pickk month with 5 US military aircraft accident.

So, your logic is seriously flawed from the begining.


And about the quality, example by the records the soviet/russian nuclear reactor technology more robust, and less prone for breakdown, than the USA nuclear technology, based on the quantitive statistical analysis of the accident hystory.

Cockpit video from flipped Russian Su-34 emerges

http://defense-watch.com/2016/11/20/cockpit-video-from-flipped-russian-su-34-emerges/

ANother combat jet lost by Russia ...  


https://www.rt.com/news/369209-admiral-kuznetsov-su-33/

But yes this is "normal"..

IF things continues at this rate , Russia will lose its entire airforce in the aircraft carrier in less than a year just fighting the bad conditions for the pilots in landing.

If Russia was on a state real war ,with NATO , and indeed depended on that aircraft carrier for the security of any allied country , then indeed they will be doomed big time for the really mediocre performance of Russia aircraft carrier in the zone. All this aircraft carrier issues shows
Russia indeed needs to consider vertical landing jets , to solve the problems it have in security
with the landing.

And Another plane lost.. with 100 people killed.
Give me a fucking break.. This IS NOT normal... 

https://www.rt.com/news/371623-russian-tu-154-disappears-radars/

Russia have the WORLD worse record in plane accidents of any nation 
by FAR.. Even more than NATO combined. This can only happen if there
is an abysmal quality controls in Russia.. This is embarrassing awful for Russia
nation image and speak really bad about Russia quality controls. Russia gets air
accidents with people killed 2-3 per month.  Which is horrible wrong.

And this is not counting another plane accident but that fortunately people don't died .
i will like to say is the weather but for Russia it happens every month regardless weather.
So here we are in december.. do we need to get january accidents too with people killed
in RUssian military planes so that people see this is NOT NORMAL and it have everything
to do with the abysmal quality controls in Russia military?

the weather conditions were very good according to the report.
If putin paid more attention of the quality controls of their aviation but also space
industry , and investing more in safety and improvement of their plane industry and less in
stupid sports it will have for sure far less accidents.

I know you are stupid judging by your comments.  But yeah, this is a Tu-154.  These are passenger planes built in the 70's.  Many countries removed them from service as should have Russia but unfortunately they didn't.

Sucks it happened.  But your comments are not only inappropriate, but horrifically uninformed.  But I can see by previous posts, no matter how many times people shoved it in your face of your stupidity, it really doesn't stop you from being stupid again.

BTW, do you have proven statistics of this statement:

Russia have the WORLD worse record in plane accidents of any nation
by FAR.. Even more than NATO combined.

Please provide this or I may just request for you to simple stop posting because your drivel degrades intelligence.

Seems someone else called you out on it:

GarryB wrote:You have made a claim... back it up with facts or shut up.

If the Russian military has the worst safety record then list the top five countries with full details of aircraft incidents... you claim to be the expert... now prove it.

But you failed to reply. By standards to any forum, I believe this is grounds for dismissal since it means you are trolling.

RIP to these men. I have watched probably many of them perform in Moscow.

R.I.P.

RIP.

RIP

R.I.P.

miketheterrible wrote:

BTW, do you have proven statistics of this statement:

Russia have the WORLD worse record in plane accidents of any nation
by FAR.. Even more than NATO combined.

I check RT every day ,and western media too.. And i never see Americans being killed in military planes every months in non combat zone.  If you look at all the Russian accident.. it is almost guarantee that they will have ONE or at least TWO fucking accidents per month ,where two or dozens or more gets killed. If not Mi-8 hellicopters ,then transportation planes or even modern combat jets and bombers.  you will read e v e r y  m o n t h. . breaking news a russian plane crashed bla bla bla. This is not normal at all. No fucking way.  This is total abysmal incompetence of the Russian government.  At the same time When you compare the track record of the Private commercial airplanes industry . it is quite very good. Every day thousands and thousands of civilians planes from civilian airliners enters and leave Russia.
You read that THOUSANDS!!!! and is very rare when civilian dies in planes accidents in Russia not related to terrorism . Then why the track record of Russian government military aircraft is so awfully bad? They fly significantly far less planes with much less staff required to maintain the plane ,yet still they all fail miserable  and i really think it had all to do with the abysmal quality controls and management and supervision of the Russia military aviation industry.

For me nothing will be more scary than traveling in a Russian military plane or hellicopter after knowing how many crash every year. 

You could be a fan of Russia military hardware and technology but that doesn't means you have to justify the Government incompetence and very bad management and quality controls of their facilities that provide service to their aircraft . The government should be the one that set the example to the private industry in quality controls and security and not the other way.