Russian population

Every year I hear about brain drain from Russia. Makes Russia sound like a Brain factory. But maybe thats the case, Russia has too many overeducated people and they leave for countries that lack specialists and their willing to pay higher money.
I met Russian and British medics in Egypt years ago. Reason for working abroad was the same. Money.

Regular wrote:Every year I hear about brain drain from Russia. Makes Russia sound like a Brain factory. But maybe thats the case, Russia has too many overeducated people and they leave for countries that lack specialists and their willing to pay higher money.
I met Russian and British medics in Egypt years ago. Reason for working abroad was the same. Money.

Russia has been brain-draining for 25 years now, according to Western media experts.

Must make them rage and howl in bewilderment, about how Russia is still capable of coming up with top-rate military hardware

Great replies!

I guess it's really hard to actually measure the level of brain-drain. On one hand, how many of those that leave are "qualified"/well-educated (all? It's Russia) and how many of them leave permanently? And on the other hand, how many immigrants that come to the country are not-so-well-educated?

And yeah, the article didn't mention anything about tighter immigration regulations or population growth. But readers love it, I'm sure. One random IT guy was interviewed, IIRC, and then one guy from "European University of St. Petersburg" or something like that (I'd rather not read that article again ), who said that qualified people leave so Russia will become more and more authoritarian.

Media in Finland is basically the same as in any other western country. Russia is evil, period. "The Second World War, never forget! They have no freedom, they just invade small countries and hate gays." The worst thing is that two tabloids are very popular and their coverage of Russia is naturally extremely black and white (well, actually black in this case) and dramatic. "Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin Putin..." But I'm pretty sure things are better than in Baltic countries or Poland. Although our PM is openly pro-NATO, most people are still against joining, for example.

And we have this: http://www.verkkomedia.org
Finnish "alternative media". Extremely anti-NATO and anti-"NWO" (of course!) and more pro-Russia than RT. It actually seems to be somewhat popular, too.

Russia is dying again

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Russia is dying again

So birthrate of this year compared to last year is down by 5% while deaths increased (so far) by 2%? How is that a sign of anything? Birthrates were very high last year and thus even a 5% from last year is nothing to sneeze at. A storm in a teacup.

sepheronx wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Russia is dying again

So birthrate of this year compared to last year is down by 5% while deaths increased (so far) by 2%? How is that a sign of anything? Birthrates were very high last year and thus even a 5% from last year is nothing to sneeze at. A storm in a teacup.

It's even worse - it's just the first three months of the year.
Read the article comments.

macedonian wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Russia is dying again

So birthrate of this year compared to last year is down by 5% while deaths increased (so far) by 2%? How is that a sign of anything? Birthrates were very high last year and thus even a 5% from last year is nothing to sneeze at. A storm in a teacup.

It's even worse - it's just the first three months of the year.
Read the article comments.

About how it is not a seasonal factor? Or how it compare. 2014 first three months to now?

Maybe you can help me out here. What is your take?

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Russia is dying again

Ah! Mark adomanis the harvard and oxford elite nutjob . Do you really believe forbes for russian demographics ? Funny .

Here let me contradict your view with some of his articles from forbes only



SORRY BUT RUSSIAN POPULATION IS NOT DYING . IT'S A MYTH : http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/02/04/five-myths-about-russia/


Russia's Baby Boom. Fertility Rate Far Higher Than in EU, Rising Quickly. ( October 2014 ) : http://russia-insider.com/en/politics_opinion_society/2014/10/27/03-27-22pm/russias_baby_boom_fertility_rate_far_higher_eu_rising

Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States' : http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/07/25/dying-russias-birth-rate-is-now-higher-than-the-united-states/

Haha, just like that paid military "ANALyst" David Axe that in one year writes positive stuff about russian military and next year writes the exact opposite how it backwarded and doomed. That is the same case with forbes, Russia is dying and another article 5 myths about russia by forbes with the dying myth....

He had fricking article about Russian population going up again. Meh, it's not just Russian thing, Nordic countries can relate to it too.

From comments a sensible russian pointed out : I don’t think we should extrapolate the population trends of the first three months onto the entire year here, to be honest. Russia has always had worse demographic performance from January till June than it did in the second half of the year , so it’s entirely possible that by the end of 2015, the picture will be somewhat brighter.  


but you know comparing only first 3 months is legitimate . Why ? Because it drives their propaganda drivel .
@regular russian polulation is going UP again .



I laugh when people say Russia is Dying . Well yes and other nations in comaprison are fucking hell out of each other to overshoot their population isn't it ?    

Lets compare it with Europe :

Russia's Baby Boom :  It has Fertility Rate Far Higher Than inEU and it is  rising Quickly. From  2014 only : http://russia-insider.com/en/politics_opinion_society/2014/10/27/03-27-22pm/russias_baby_boom_fertility_rate_far_higher_eu_rising

Lets compare it with US :

Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States' : http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/07/25/dying-russias-birth-rate-is-now-higher-than-the-united-states/


Reports of Russia’s death are exaggerated :  http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-151013.html


Now it's obvious Russia isn't competing with Asians on reproduction now .

sepheronx wrote:
About how it is not a seasonal factor? Or how it compare. 2014 first three months to now?
Maybe you can help me out here. What is your take?

Well, if you read the very last sentence of the article, it states:

We’ll see what happens over the second half of the year, but at the moment Russia’s previously positive demographic trajectory is dramatically deteriorating.

So he's basically taking the first three months and making a projection. Furthermore, in the comment section someone called him on the graph because the data presented is seemingly for the entire 2015, though it's only April now. In his defense, Adomanis states that he took the first three months of 2014 into account when making the projection. So, basically even though he presents a graph showing a curve for more than a decade, he CHOSE which year's data to compare to this year's data. It's typical propaganda, if you ask me. You choose which data suits the view you'd like to present, and you run with it. So, basically - you're not lying...just not telling the whole truth. Kinda like the US unemployment data printed by the government there.

Now, I'm not saying that Russia's population will not shrink this year, I don't know that. But neither does he.
That's why he ends it with "We'll see what happens"...
I'd expect nothing else from Forbes to be honest.

But this is just the conclusion that seemed logical to me, numbers and statistics aren't exactly my forte. I can smell bullshit though

As I said numbers and stats are being made up to drive one's agenda .

why he is comparing only first 3 months ? Because It suits forbes propaganda drivel .



" From comments a sensible russian pointed out : I don’t think we should extrapolate the population trends of the first three months onto the entire year here, to be honest. Russia has always had worse demographic performance from January till June than it did in the second half of the year , so it’s entirely possible that by the end of 2015, the picture will be somewhat brighter. "


Rest read my comments It'll get more clearer .

Namaste!

Population booms happen in more troubled and economically poorer countries. Look at Ethiopia or Nigeria. Not rich by any extent of the word, but have a huge population boom.

Russia will end up finding the middle ground. seems to be the case for a while. 150 - 200M people is more than enough. I think Putins programs will end up working later - free housing for more than 3 kids in family. I recall reading a region (Russian dominant) had this program for a long time and had a steady increase in population for a long time). If all regions had that, I know I would take that.

In 2014 Russia Population Grew by 275,000 excluding crimea . Count that also from 2015 . I've loads of article on Russia's population . If anyone is interested only then i will share .

Nice

MBF: in Russia is 2.5 million Ukrainians

This is probably the most interesting report i have seen about Russia..
is in spanish but the charts are in english and shows the world migration up to 2013..

Bienvenido a Rusia = Welcome to Russia..  




This is a must see the world charts in english at end of the report...

http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/175498-latinoamericanos-vivir-trabajar-rusia


The report shows Latin Americans experience migration in Russia..
To my Big Surprise.. Russia is the second nation in the world that more migrants receive
after USA..  at first i though that it was partly because of the huge number of migrants
that comes from the Kanukistan muslin nations in the south.. near afganistan.. to work in
Russia.. that vast majority are males workers cheap labor for construction..  

But then the chart allows to select female migration in the world.. and for my surprise Russia
also have the second largest migration of females of the world. .After USA..  

Coincidence that the second most powerful /influential nation in the world is the second
one in migration? Nahh  

What this table charts shows is that officially Russia is the major competition of United States..
and this have nothing to do with its military ,but with its technology and image of being a very
down to earth nation ,that open their arms to people with talent that seeks to work there..

Other interesting facts. when it comes to other anti Russian nations..
is that contrary to western propaganda.. USA is NOT the first place Russian Migrants travel..
But Former Soviet republics and Germany.    So migration to USA from Russia is like the 7th
to 8th place..

More interesting yet.. is the so much Rusophobia in the Baltic States.. and Russia is the
#2nd Place of choice for Lithuanians, Estonians , and Latvian to travel..  After UK.  

Poland in the other hand #1 place of migration is USA.. and very next to nothing
in Russia..     they are indeed see very negative Russia.

And yet other interesting and weird numbers . Look at Israel.. migration..
It looks weird how their migration behave..outside of Europe or Anglozionist states.
It looks as if Someone distributed them in same equal numbers across Latin America and Europe and Asia..  ~1,000..  that could suggest is not a real migration ,but something else..
perhaps public relations , or NGOs to influence politicians towards Israel interest or simply spies..

More interesting is that Americans the #1 place of migration is Mexico.. and not Canada
which some say have a better quality of life..bla bla bla..  

The Biggest migration of Russians until 2013.. (before the coup)/
Was Kasakistan ,Belarus ,Ukraine , and Germany..

if you look at those interactive maps.. there is a TON of information there that you could
see how is the Real Economy of nations ,perceived from the point of view of people migration.
and the influence.. Is quite surprising that Russia have one of the top 5 largest migration from Europe until 2013..

And in total in the world.. the nations with more real/legal migrants /more influence
in the world are..

1)United States       45.7 million migrants..
2)Russia Federation 11    million migrants.
3)Germany               9.7  million migrants.
4)UK                        7.8 million
5)france..                 7.4 million

However in that list is not included Saudi Arabia and United Emirates.. they are receiving
alarming numbers of muslin migrants ~8 million each one.. and no idea if that is for living or
for training freedom fighters terrorist to destroy other nations  . or just for religious activities.

last but not least.. contrary to most believe ,until 2013 , Ukraine #1 migration place?  

1) Russia with ...  3 million Ukrainians migrants  
2)  USA                377,000 migrants..
3) Kazakistan       245,000  migrants.
4)  germany         234,000 migrants.
 
5)  Belarus            ~227,000
6)  Poland             ~221,000
7)  Italy                ~213,000

canada is not even in the top 15 destinations of Ukrainians with only 69,000.

Now if you look at those numbers.. you really wonder what the fuck is really happening
in Ukraine.. how could Russia lose so much influence there? answer is simple.. because
Most Ukrainians that migrated moved to Russia with all their families.
Leaving behind the Rusophobics..  3 millions of Migrants to Russia and another 1 million
to former Russian speaking republics.. is a significant lost of influence there.

another Bonus.. Georgian #1 destination ?

1)Russia with 500,000 migrants..  
THis is about 10x times higher than the migration in any other part of Europe.. or USA..
that are in the ~50k more or less.

So this Map chart ,throws out of the window the western propaganda claim that no one wants to live in Russia.. All Russians are leaving the nation.  
And contrary to propaganda this are real Numbers ..of migrants world wide..
So you cannot fake those facts.. and the fact is Russia is effectively become the
2nd most influential nation in the world ,for migrants looking a better quality of life.  
Now TR1 will have a heart attack..     Because he really Thinks anything is better than Russia but world migration numbers shows a different picture.

other numbers i saw.. shows Russia finally have a healthy growing population after some years
decline..  and this world migration chart.. does not include Crimea annexation in 2014
3 more million Russians and the 1 million of new refugees that Russia received from the conflict
from other zones.. and does not include the many more millions of Ukrainians that will want to move to Russia once no longer they can tolerate kiev.. If Migration in 2013 is any indication..
we can assume Russia will receive the majority of it.. from Ukraine.. and US the second.

And again this have nothing to do with military power.. now one will migrate to Russia
because of their tanks.. but instead because of life opportunities. every one that migrates to Russia says is for their education system and culture and simple life but also its technology..
technology influence a lot students and scholars.. and Russia space program and its Ballet
are the main magnets of students who travel to Russia but also its language that everyone
likes to learn. But also many muslins migrate too for jobs in construction since Russia is alway
building something. a street or highway or warship.. etc.. and needs many thousands of cheap labor.

in closing the report talks about the good experience people have living in Russia..
how they really liked it.. and many wants to return or still living..

Vann7 wrote:This is probably the most interesting report i have seen about Russia..
is in spanish but the charts are in english and shows the world migration up to 2013..

Bienvenido a Rusia = Welcome to Russia..  




This is a must see the world charts in english at end of the report...

http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/175498-latinoamericanos-vivir-trabajar-rusia


The report shows Latin Americans experience migration in Russia..
To my Big Surprise.. Russia is the second nation in the world that more migrants receive
after USA..  at first i though that it was partly because of the huge number of migrants
that comes from the Kanukistan muslin nations in the south.. near afganistan.. to work in
Russia.. that vast majority are males workers cheap labor for construction..  

But then the chart allows to select female migration in the world.. and for my surprise Russia
also have the second largest migration of females of the world. .After USA..  

Coincidence that the second most powerful /influential nation in the world is the second
one in migration? Nahh  

What this table charts shows is that officially Russia is the major competition of United States..
and this have nothing to do with its military ,but with its technology and image of being a very
down to earth nation ,that open their arms to people with talent that seeks to work there..

Other interesting facts. when it comes to other anti Russian nations..
is that contrary to western propaganda.. USA is NOT the first place Russian Migrants travel..
But Former Soviet republics and Germany.    So migration to USA from Russia is like the 7th
to 8th place..

More interesting yet.. is the so much Rusophobia in the Baltic States.. and Russia is the
#2nd Place of choice for Lithuanians, Estonians , and Latvian to travel..  After UK.  

Poland in the other hand #1 place of migration is USA.. and very next to nothing
in Russia..     they are indeed see very negative Russia.

And yet other interesting and weird numbers . Look at Israel.. migration..
It looks weird how their migration behave..outside of Europe or Anglozionist states.
It looks as if Someone distributed them in same equal numbers across Latin America and Europe and Asia..  ~1,000..  that could suggest is not a real migration ,but something else..
perhaps public relations , or NGOs to influence politicians towards Israel interest or simply spies..

More interesting is that Americans the #1 place of migration is Mexico.. and not Canada
which some say have a better quality of life..bla bla bla..  

The Biggest migration of Russians until 2013.. (before the coup)/
Was Kasakistan ,Belarus ,Ukraine , and Germany..

if you look at those interactive maps.. there is a TON of information there that you could
see how is the Real Economy of nations ,perceived from the point of view of people migration.
and the influence.. Is quite surprising that Russia have one of the top 5 largest migration from Europe until 2013..

And in total in the world.. the nations with more real/legal migrants /more influence
in the world are..

1)United States       45.7 million migrants..
2)Russia Federation 11    million migrants.
3)Germany               9.7  million migrants.
4)UK                        7.8 million
5)france..                 7.4 million

However in that list is not included Saudi Arabia and United Emirates.. they are receiving
alarming numbers of muslin migrants ~8 million each one.. and no idea if that is for living or
for training freedom fighters terrorist to destroy other nations  . or just for religious activities.

last but not least.. contrary to most believe ,until 2013 , Ukraine #1 migration place?  

1) Russia with ...  3 million Ukrainians migrants  
2)  USA                377,000 migrants..
3) Kazakistan       245,000  migrants.
4)  germany         234,000 migrants.
 
5)  Belarus            ~227,000
6)  Poland             ~221,000
7)  Italy                ~213,000

canada is not even in the top 15 destinations of Ukrainians with only 69,000.

Now if you look at those numbers.. you really wonder what the fuck is really happening
in Ukraine.. how could Russia lose so much influence there? answer is simple.. because
Most Ukrainians that migrated moved to Russia with all their families.
Leaving behind the Rusophobics..  3 millions of Migrants to Russia and another 1 million
to former Russian speaking republics.. is a significant lost of influence there.

another Bonus.. Georgian #1 destination ?

1)Russia with 500,000 migrants..  
THis is about 10x times higher than the migration in any other part of Europe.. or USA..
that are in the ~50k more or less.

So this Map chart ,throws out of the window the western propaganda claim that no one wants to live in Russia.. All Russians are leaving the nation.  
And contrary to propaganda this are real Numbers ..of migrants world wide..
So you cannot fake those facts.. and the fact is Russia is effectively become the
2nd most influential nation in the world ,for migrants looking a better quality of life.  
Now TR1 will have a heart attack..     Because he really Thinks anything is better than Russia but world migration numbers shows a different picture.

other numbers i saw.. shows Russia finally have a healthy growing population after some years
decline..  and this world migration chart.. does not include Crimea annexation in 2014
3 more million Russians and the 1 million of new refugees that Russia received from the conflict
from other zones.. and does not include the many more millions of Ukrainians that will want to move to Russia once no longer they can tolerate kiev.. If Migration in 2013 is any indication..
we can assume Russia will receive the majority of it.. from Ukraine.. and US the second.

And again this have nothing to do with military power.. now one will migrate to Russia
because of their tanks.. but instead because of life opportunities. every one that migrates to Russia says is for their education system and culture and simple life but also its technology..
technology influence a lot students and scholars.. and Russia space program and its Ballet
are the main magnets of students who travel to Russia but also its language that everyone
likes to learn. But also many muslins migrate too for jobs in construction since Russia is alway
building something. a street or highway or warship.. etc.. and needs many thousands of cheap labor.

in closing the report talks about the good experience people have living in Russia..
how they really liked it.. and many wants to return or still living..

There is currently very little Polish immigration to the U.S.A., because Polish citizens need a visa to travel to that country. There is some, but not much. Right now the top destinations for Poles to move to are countries like the U.K., Ireland, Germany (mostly German-wanna-bees from the Upper Silesia), and other countries in the Western Europe.

In Norway they even recently produced a television series about Polish immigrants, it is supposedly titled something like Trying to Survive or something like that. If there is anyone from Norway here, perhaps they can give more details about it.

Ukrainians moving to Poland is not surprising, since they currently own that country (of sorts).

Have you heard about that humanitarian evacuation of the ethnic Poles by the Polish government from the New Russia? A week or so ago it turned out that hardly any of those evacuated are ethnic Poles, while almost all ethnic Poles have been left behind (around 2 000 or 3 000). But despite it, the "Polish" government does not want to do anything about it, because that was only a "one time operation."

Please explain how "Ukrainians own Poland"? This is the first and only time I have heard someone claim this.

1)United States       45.7 million migrants..320 million migrants, illegal... i might add.
2)Russia Federation 11    million migrants. Smile
3)Germany               9.7  million migrants.
4)UK                        7.8 million
5)france..                 7.4 million

is there more detailed data on russian immigration/emigration data, i am mostly interested what are the numbers if we remove ex-Soviet republic, who appart from them is moving in or out, and naturally from where and to where

Misleading title (could be deliberately wrong google translation) but excellent news

"In June, were born 165.8 thousand. Children. This is the highest figure since the beginning of 2015 and it is by 11 thous. Persons or by 7.1% more than in June 2014," - said Topilin. At the same time in June, died 161.3 thousand. People. The number of births has increased in 34 regions of Russia. In January-June, were born 926.8 thousand. children. "In some regions, the growth of the number of births was more than 4%. Among them, Kaluga, Novgorod, Tula, Moscow region, Henetsky autonomous region, Sevastopol," - said the minister. According to him, the increase in births is due to including the adoption of demographic measures, including the payment of maternity capital, the monthly cash payment for the third and subsequent children. "However, we are very far behind European countries in mortality. And we certainly have to take steps in this direction", - said Topilin.

LINK

The natural population growth rate in June was 4.5 thousand people

Slowly, but surely.