Russian population

Karl Haushofer wrote:I would like to add that the Russian women in those small groups born in the 1990s and early 2000s should have 2-3 children in average to compensate the demographic collapse in the 1990s to keep the Russian population from declining.  This is not going to happen unless something drastically changes in Russia. Currently the fertility rate in Russia is around 1,5.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Invite several million Europeans, Americans to live in Russia, if necessary declare for them their own national districts within Siberian regions

I don't see that many westerners moving to Russia until Russia can offer at least similar or better salaries than the Western countries.

The only source that Russia realistically can get more population from is the FSU countries. And frankly I don't want to see Russia get any more Uzbeks or Tajiks or Azeris that it currently has.

The only lasting solution for Russia's demographic challenges is to somehow get ethnic Russian women to have more babies. Right now there are very small number of women in childbearing age in Russia due to collapsed birth rate in the 1990s.  Those bigger age groups born in the 1980s are passing their fertile years and the younger age groups born in the 1990s and early 2000s are very small in comparison. Because of this there are smaller and smaller number of potential mothers in Russia each year.

And with these women in those small age groups having very few children themselves we are witnessing Russian demographics falling off the cliff. The population fell by more than 700,000 people last year alone. This year the decline could be even bigger. We are going back to 1990s.

Karl Haushofer wrote:According to Rosstat's estimation Russian population will fall to 134 million by 2030s.

https://vfn.su/articles/demografiya-v-rossii-2021-statistika-tendencii-prognozy.html?fbclid=IwAR0iXv6nPTnIxtNnAl9mqsKGiJm0TFmTMJhZXh-4VNpHXJHxrtba-60HKWs

Mir wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:I would like to add that the Russian women in those small groups born in the 1990s and early 2000s should have 2-3 children in average to compensate the demographic collapse in the 1990s to keep the Russian population from declining.  This is not going to happen unless something drastically changes in Russia. Currently the fertility rate in Russia is around 1,5.

Funny these guys seem to think Russia's population is increasing each year?
Can you post a direct link from Rosstat to confirm your claim(s)?

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

Azi wrote:

Mir wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:I would like to add that the Russian women in those small groups born in the 1990s and early 2000s should have 2-3 children in average to compensate the demographic collapse in the 1990s to keep the Russian population from declining.  This is not going to happen unless something drastically changes in Russia. Currently the fertility rate in Russia is around 1,5.

Funny these guys seem to think Russia's population is increasing each year?
Can you post a direct link from Rosstat to confirm your claim(s)?

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

I know the numbers and it seems that they are not correct.

Karl is not lying, because the data of 1,5 births per woman are from Rostat.

miketheterrible wrote:

Azi wrote:

Mir wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:I would like to add that the Russian women in those small groups born in the 1990s and early 2000s should have 2-3 children in average to compensate the demographic collapse in the 1990s to keep the Russian population from declining.  This is not going to happen unless something drastically changes in Russia. Currently the fertility rate in Russia is around 1,5.

Funny these guys seem to think Russia's population is increasing each year?
Can you post a direct link from Rosstat to confirm your claim(s)?

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

I know the numbers and it seems that they are not correct.

Karl is not lying, because the data of 1,5 births per woman are from Rostat.

He is lying. The births of 1.5 is a 1 year statistics difference and doesn't equate to million+ loss of population per year.

Don't be retarded. You clearly don't know the numbers either.

kvs wrote:https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033851/fertility-rate-russia-1840-2020/

The actual TFR in Russia has been increasing from 2000 to 2020.  Going from 1.25 to 1.82.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

A drop from 1.8 to 1.5 amounts to 17%.   How can a transient 17% drop in births produce a substantial population
decline all the way out to 2030.

Azi wrote:

kvs wrote:https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033851/fertility-rate-russia-1840-2020/

The actual TFR in Russia has been increasing from 2000 to 2020.  Going from 1.25 to 1.82.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

A drop from 1.8 to 1.5 amounts to 17%.   How can a transient 17% drop in births produce a substantial population
decline all the way out to 2030.

I know the data from Statista and they are clearly higher. But I can't tell you why they are different from Rostat?!

kvs wrote:This clearly part of a smear campaign against Russia.   Every freaking issue in Russia is always the sky is falling hysteria.   Instigated
by western Russia haters.   The TFR is pathetic in NATzO but that is never trotted out as "the end of the world is nigh" spazzing.

miketheterrible wrote:

Azi wrote:

kvs wrote:https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033851/fertility-rate-russia-1840-2020/

The actual TFR in Russia has been increasing from 2000 to 2020.  Going from 1.25 to 1.82.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

A drop from 1.8 to 1.5 amounts to 17%.   How can a transient 17% drop in births produce a substantial population
decline all the way out to 2030.

I know the data from Statista and they are clearly higher. But I can't tell you why they are different from Rostat?!

No one posters rosstat either.  Give us birth rates and death rates from rosstat then, mixed with net migration please.

kvs wrote:https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033851/fertility-rate-russia-1840-2020/

The actual TFR in Russia has been increasing from 2000 to 2020.  Going from 1.25 to 1.82.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

A drop from 1.8 to 1.5 amounts to 17%.   How can a transient 17% drop in births produce a substantial population
decline all the way out to 2030.

Azi wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Azi wrote:

kvs wrote:https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033851/fertility-rate-russia-1840-2020/

The actual TFR in Russia has been increasing from 2000 to 2020.  Going from 1.25 to 1.82.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

A drop from 1.8 to 1.5 amounts to 17%.   How can a transient 17% drop in births produce a substantial population
decline all the way out to 2030.

I know the data from Statista and they are clearly higher. But I can't tell you why they are different from Rostat?!

No one posters rosstat either.  Give us birth rates and death rates from rosstat then, mixed with net migration please.

https://www.fedstat.ru/indicator/31517

Fertility rates from Rostat. It's only fertility, no other migration etc. Go to filter to see the correct data.

I can't tell you who is right...Statista or Rostat?!

Azi wrote:I'm very optimisitic with russian fertility rates, because the road to success is to eliminate the western virus!
In western societies the single woman is the ultimate centre of the capitalistic world. She spends more than a married woman with children. Why should a married woman with let's say three children spend endless money for makeup, clothings, party, cocaine, sex toys and other useless things...she will more save the money to have a better future for their children (50 % of their DNA). That's why in western world the view of a career super duper power single woman is propelled and to cover the inner emptiness of the sould a hedonistic lifestyle is the ultimate supreme goal of living. A woman must have at leat hundreds of sexpartners and if she is unhappy in a relation she must kick the partner immediately.
That's the true reason for fertility rates of 1,2 or 1,5 birzhs per woman not less kindergardens and schools. Because it's easier to make party and live the bitch lifestyle, than to take care of someone and raise him 16 years to an adult sovereign individuum.
And what most woman don't get in western world is that when the end is coming and it's coming for us all, your children and grandchildren will hold your hand when you take the step to your last journey, not the career, the colleagues, the company or the hundreds of f*ckbuddies.
Russia must find it's own way out of this western desease and what they are doing now is great and lays the foundation for a bright future. And I hope in a few years europe will learn quick from Russia!
For Russia...stop of spreading hedonistic western (anti)cultural bullshit! Back to traditional roots (religion, family and moral). Maybe a sponsored start for young families, similar to former Libya. More money for children in cities, than for children in countryside...life in city is more expensive.

Mir wrote:@Azi
I still don't see anything remotely close to the figures you and Karl mention from Rosstat?
You say you know the numbers and that the stats from Worldometer's wrong? The stats you show below from Rosstats seems to indicate 1.7 which is the same as from Worldometer? Interesting!

GarryB wrote:Over population is a problem in itself... it is only a matter of time before issues like pollution including the enormous mass of rubbish and sewerage in the worlds oceans become the big next problem and part of the solution for that problem and also the effects on the worlds food supply and the worlds fresh water supply will be population reduction.