Its honestly hilarious that people here think an artillery cannon having superior range, accuracy, and targeting time is nearly irrelevant.
You do understand the further away you fire from the less accurate you are so firing at enormous range requires very high rate of fire to be effective because landing shells in the target area is the best way to compensate for not getting direct hits.
That is why the Russians tend to use rocket artillery for counter battery fire.... even a Grad can hit targets at 40km range...
Why can't people here just admit that D-20s, D-30s and msta-Bs are the vast majority of russian artillery, and that they're inferior to the caesar andf pzh2000? Its like getting insanely butthurt and resorting to insults if someone says the MiG-21bis is inferior in performance to the F-15C or rafale.
I can of course admit that these systems are the majority of systems the Russians are using in this conflict and comparing them to token amounts of the best the west can manage is an interesting comparison... the only problem the Orcs had with Soviet artillery was that it kept getting destroyed, but with these super western weapons they not only keep getting destroyed, but they also seem to be failing a lot in between committing war crimes against civilian targets... not sure why you defend them to be honest.
The Russian military already has the solutions and are introducing them into service... can you say the same for these western systems?
Or is it a case that criticism is not allowed because otherwise someone might question how much these things cost and start asking for better?
Instead of giving Army more money to modernize, as they should have, they decided to spend massive amounts on "macho programs" such as Burevestnik or that glorified nuclear dildo Poseidon.
Your sexualisation of these strategic weapons is disturbing, but these two systems completely undermine the US withdrawal from the ABM treaty and are actually more necessary than any other Russian military programme... it is Russias nukes and its ability to deliver nukes to the west bypassing any perceived defence system that keeps the west at bay... you should be thankful.
And while you are being a dick about it... which ICBM or SLBM doesn't look phallic?
Im comparing D-20 and D-30 to caesar and pzh2000 because thats the usual matchup in the war. 99% of LDPR units have ONLY D30s and D20s. Also the D-30 and D-20 are the guns on the gvozdika and akatsiya, and they represent that majority of russian SPGs.
But hang on, there is no way those D-20s and D-30s could ever reach any of those Euro super guns so surely they must all be destroyed by now... that is how you say it works... the gun with the biggest range is superior and wins every time... why aren't the Orcs slaughtering the Russians with their totally superior artillery?
I to this day haven't found a single justification for not mass producing koalitsiyas, other than "MoD isnt buying it, and MoD is always right"
So much for the "best artillery in the world"
Funny you say that because the Orcs currently operate 90% of HATOs supply of these uber guns but even in this little conflict they are not enough to be decisive...
How does an underwater nuclear dildo help the russians to destroy modern NATO artillery?
Your little sex aid tells western politicians that they can't attack Russia with a surprise attack to try to take out their nuclear weapons in the hope they destroy enough platforms that their navies Standard SAMs like the SM-6 which is an ABM might protect them from anything that survives the first attack.
What they actually did was join with the Navy to develop 152mm guns with greatly extended ranges for both services... something the US should have done with their new guns for the Zumwalts but that was a total failure... it was supposed to be a cruise missile ranged gun for the price of an artillery shell and instead it became a cruise missile priced shell with a fraction of the range of a cruise missile...
See this is obfuscation and misattribution. Yars, Topol and Bulava prevent US from going to war. The claim that americans were planning to press the red button before the underwater giant dildo appeared is absolutely false. Also the west hasn't spent anything to on figuring out how to stop the poseidon dildo or the burevestnik. They instead spent money on GMLRS.
Poseidon and thunderbird are direct responses to the US withdrawing from the ABM treaty... western officials might assume ship and land based ABM systems might be able to deal with Russian ballistic missiles but no military expert is going to tell them ABM systems stop torpedoes and cruise missiles.
Thunderbird and Poseidon could approach the US from any direction so air defences protecting from every direction and sea based sonar systems listening in every direction would be needed to counter those two systems... Russia already has air defence missiles that shoot down HIMARS rockets and is working on smaller lighter cheaper missiles to mass produce to do a better job.
Hermes is also being developed with a manouvering terminal portion to evade being shot down so it actually better than GMLRS because its terminal seeker would allow it to hit moving targets.
Allows the ukrainians to always stay out of range of russian artillery, and to perform counterbattery much more safely. Only on this forum will anyone deny having longer ranged, more accurate artillery is irrelevant.
The best counter battery system seems to be drones...
Apples and oranges. Artillery is the king of the battlefield. Tanks aren't.
Russian artillery seems to be the king of this battlefield so far... you can bollock on about the extra range and accuracy of the Orc weapons but without the ability to find targets to attack all the range and accuracy means nothing at all.
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