Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

Really nice to see the first unit enter service, hope the second one follow soon...April?
In that case, for Kuznetsov's summer trip to Syria (& beyond) we may have 2 x 11356 and atleast 1 x 22350....hope so.  

Pics from bmpd.

Well, sh*t...  

Russia in Talks With India to Sell Three Project 11356 Frigates to Complement Talwar Class

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3693

Russia is in talks with India to sell three Project 11356 frigates originally intended for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Vice-President of the United Ship-Building Corporation for Warship Construction Igor Ponomaryov told TASS on Friday. "We are fulfilling the state defense order and building these frigates. At the same time, we are holding talks on the possibility of selling these vessels to India," Ponomaryov said.
   
Russia is in talks with India to sell three Project 11356 frigates originally intended for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Vice-President of the United Ship-Building Corporation for Warship Construction Igor Ponomaryov told TASS on Friday. "We are fulfilling the state defense order and building these frigates. At the same time, we are holding talks on the possibility of selling these vessels to India," Ponomaryov said.
   
"This has not been decided," Ponomaryov said in reply to a TASS question about whether a decision had been made to sell these frigates. "We are holding talks and fulfilling the state defense contract. But such talks are in progress," he said.

According to Ponomaryov, the engines for these frigates "have been fully paid for by the Ukrainian side. They are in Ukraine and we will be resolving the issue related to these engines."

Six Project 11356 frigates were planned to be built for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. These vessels are equipped with Ukrainian-made propulsion units, which has threatened the construction of the other three Project 11356 frigates.

The United Ship-Building Corporation said last year that the frigates would be built but would have Russian-made engines.

India already operates six Talwar-class frigates, which are the Project 11356 frigate’s predecessors developed for export. The vessels entered service in 2003-2004 and 2012-2013.

Smooth Sailing: Advanced Russian Frigate Heads to Barents Sea for Trials

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160321/1036672712/russia-navy-frigate-tests.html

The state-of-the-art Russian frigate Admiral Essen is due to conduct the second stage of its state tests in the Barents Sea later this month, according to Sergey Mikhailov, spokesman for the Kaliningrad-based Yantar shipyard.........

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Well, sh*t...  

Russia in Talks With India to Sell Three Project 11356 Frigates to Complement Talwar Class

Russia is in talks with India to sell three Project 11356 frigates originally intended for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Vice-President of the United Ship-Building Corporation for Warship Construction Igor Ponomaryov told TASS on Friday. "We are fulfilling the state defense order and building these frigates. At the same time, we are holding talks on the possibility of selling these vessels to India," Ponomaryov said.
   
Russia is in talks with India to sell three Project 11356 frigates originally intended for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Vice-President of the United Ship-Building Corporation for Warship Construction Igor Ponomaryov told TASS on Friday. "We are fulfilling the state defense order and building these frigates. At the same time, we are holding talks on the possibility of selling these vessels to India," Ponomaryov said.
   
"This has not been decided," Ponomaryov said in reply to a TASS question about whether a decision had been made to sell these frigates. "We are holding talks and fulfilling the state defense contract. But such talks are in progress," he said.

According to Ponomaryov, the engines for these frigates "have been fully paid for by the Ukrainian side. They are in Ukraine and we will be resolving the issue related to these engines."

Six Project 11356 frigates were planned to be built for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. These vessels are equipped with Ukrainian-made propulsion units, which has threatened the construction of the other three Project 11356 frigates.

My educated guess is that 2years or more delay makes idea of stop-gap model not valid anymore.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:.....................

My educated guess is that 2 years or more delay makes idea of stop-gap model  not valid anymore.

Makes sense but in that case they should order and start building more Gorshkov class frigates, including in that shipyard, ASAP.

One shipyard alone will not be able to build those ships in sufficient numbers. Ideally they should place orders in St. Pete, Kaliningrad and Vladivostok (Zvezda) simultaneously.

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:.....................

My educated guess is that 2 years or more delay makes idea of stop-gap model  not valid anymore.

Makes sense but in that case they should order and start building more Gorshkov class frigates, including in that shipyard, ASAP.

One shipyard alone will not be able to build those ships in sufficient numbers. Ideally they should place orders in St. Pete, Kaliningrad and Vladivostok (Zvezda) simultaneously.

Maybe Kaliningrad is to sell remaining 3 frigates to free place for new 22350? I am not sure about St Petersburg but Vladivostok just started, not sure if they can handle soon anything bigger then corvettes Anyway corvettes are also needed in numbers.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:.....................

My educated guess is that 2 years or more delay makes idea of stop-gap model  not valid anymore.

Makes sense but in that case they should order and start building more Gorshkov class frigates, including in that shipyard, ASAP.

One shipyard alone will not be able to build those ships in sufficient numbers. Ideally they should place orders in St. Pete, Kaliningrad and Vladivostok (Zvezda) simultaneously.

Maybe Kaliningrad is to sell remaining 3 frigates to free place for new 22350? I am not sure about St Petersburg but Vladivostok just started, not sure if they can handle soon anything bigger then corvettes Anyway corvettes are also needed in numbers.

Are they potentially selling three engine less ships that the Indians could buy the engines off the Ukrainians for?

JohninMK wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:.....................

My educated guess is that 2 years or more delay makes idea of stop-gap model  not valid anymore.

Makes sense but in that case they should order and start building more Gorshkov class frigates, including in that shipyard, ASAP.

One shipyard alone will not be able to build those ships in sufficient numbers. Ideally they should place orders in St. Pete, Kaliningrad and Vladivostok (Zvezda) simultaneously.

Maybe Kaliningrad is to sell remaining 3 frigates to free place for new 22350? I am not sure about St Petersburg but Vladivostok just started, not sure if they can handle soon anything bigger then corvettes Anyway corvettes are also needed in numbers.

Are they potentially selling three engine less ships that the Indians could buy the engines off the Ukrainians for?

That´s the idea behind this deal IMHO. Producing turbines only for 3 ships is economically not viable...better to focus on power plants for future ships like 22350... but it´s just my educated guess

PapaDragon wrote:
Well, sh*t...  

Russia in Talks With India to Sell Three Project 11356 Frigates to Complement Talwar Class

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3693

Russia is in talks with India to sell three Project 11356 frigates originally intended for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Vice-President of the United Ship-Building Corporation for Warship Construction Igor Ponomaryov told TASS on Friday. "We are fulfilling the state defense order and building these frigates. At the same time, we are holding talks on the possibility of selling these vessels to India," Ponomaryov said.
   
Russia is in talks with India to sell three Project 11356 frigates originally intended for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Vice-President of the United Ship-Building Corporation for Warship Construction Igor Ponomaryov told TASS on Friday. "We are fulfilling the state defense order and building these frigates. At the same time, we are holding talks on the possibility of selling these vessels to India," Ponomaryov said.
   
"This has not been decided," Ponomaryov said in reply to a TASS question about whether a decision had been made to sell these frigates. "We are holding talks and fulfilling the state defense contract. But such talks are in progress," he said.

According to Ponomaryov, the engines for these frigates "have been fully paid for by the Ukrainian side. They are in Ukraine and we will be resolving the issue related to these engines."

Six Project 11356 frigates were planned to be built for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. These vessels are equipped with Ukrainian-made propulsion units, which has threatened the construction of the other three Project 11356 frigates.

The United Ship-Building Corporation said last year that the frigates would be built but would have Russian-made engines.

India already operates six Talwar-class frigates, which are the Project 11356 frigate’s predecessors developed for export. The vessels entered service in 2003-2004 and 2012-2013.

Don't be angry

India's Navy, however, has a somewhat "downgraded" versions of Admiral Grigorovich, aka Talwar-class frigates. Those carry Russian-Indian Bhramos missiles and some non-Russian made systems. Air Defense is represented by same Shtil' complex which uses different (non-UKSK) launch method plus some other minor differences. Indians love those and will order more.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1801677.html

''Admiral Makarov'' started testing

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/76050/

Admiral Essen in Severomorsk

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/76140/

Admiral Essen completed trials, delivery expected at the end of May

http://flotprom.ru/2016/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F4/

Excellent!!!

They even going to commission the last three or sell them to india?

Admiral Essen





Admiral Makarov

SeigSoloyvov wrote:They even going to commission the last three or sell them to india?

That was one of the possible options due to Ukrainian engine kerfuffle but according to this post  Ukrops refused to sell engines for Gepard class frigates built for Vietnam (even though money from engine sale would be going to them):

http://stailker.livejournal.com/1821354.html

So that would be no go on the India sale. Other option was to modify last three ships to use newer Russian built engines so that is now most likely route.

Frigate Admiral Grigorovich set sail for Black Sea

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/77142/



Notice the large column of smoke emanating from this ship? It is special advanced tactical feature made possible trough use of superior Ukrainian engines. With this superior Ukrainian engines and their superior Ukrainian smoke trails and their superior Ukrainian self-combustion feature already demonstrated on Steregushi corvettes victory in any naval battle is absolutely guaranteed!!!

Good news.
Now if we could see the next two ships joining him as early as possible. In 1-3 months time we might see Admiral Essen joining the Black Sea Fleet, and probably in the next 3-4 months we might see Admiral Makrov for company?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:They even going to commission the last three or sell them to india?

Seems last 3 will have to wait for Russian engines.

Militarov wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:They even going to commission the last three or sell them to india?

Seems last 3 will have to wait for Russian engines.

Good, definitely the right call.

Frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" will begin the transition to a permanent place of deployment in Sevastopol

It is planned that the "Admiral Grigorovich" will arrive in the main base of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol in late May

MOSCOW, May 6. / TASS /. Frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" leaves the naval base of the Baltic city and begin the transition to the Black Sea Fleet (BSF) to the permanent place of deployment. This was reported by a representative of the Press Service and Information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the Navy Igor Dygalo.

Earlier, the ship ready to move mezhflotskomu Commission checked the Navy High Command led by Deputy Commander of the Russian Navy, Vice-Admiral Alexander Fedotenkova.

"By order of the Chief of the Navy Admiral Korolev we checked the professional level of the ship's crew, the willingness of the logistics to move mezhflotskomu ship is ready to perform the task of the transition to a permanent place of basing the Black Sea Fleet." - Said Fedotenkov.

It is planned that the "Admiral Grigorovich" will arrive in the main base of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol at the end of May.

Watchdog frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" - the first in a series of six frigates for the Black Sea Fleet. It was founded in late 2010 and launched in the spring of 2014. Ships of this project are to conduct in ocean and sea areas of combat operations against surface ships and submarines, as well as reflection attacks of air attack, both independently and as part of the ships connections.

Displacement frigates of Project 11356 is 4000 tons, speed up to 30 knots, cruising - 30 days. These ships are equipped with missile complex "Caliber-NK", anti-aircraft missile complex "Shtil-1" and artillery system "Palash", mounted gun A-190 caliber 100mm, torpedo and anti-submarine weaponry. In addition, each ship carries a helicopter.


Подробнее на ТАСС:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3262531&usg=ALkJrhhLSiPFFDVWefdMPOqmapiwiVaI4g

Admiral Grigorovich passed trough English Channel en route to Sevastopol:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/navy-shadow-russian-frigate-through-uk-waters/



Given the age of Royal Navy ship in that photo I thing we all might be selling Russian Navy a bit short...

PapaDragon wrote:
Admiral Grigorovich passed trough English Channel en route to Sevastopol:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/navy-shadow-russian-frigate-through-uk-waters/



Given the age of Royal Navy ship in that photo I thing we all might be selling Russian Navy a bit short...

And you can still read some stupid things like " russia is 20 years behind in terms of technology" ...