Iraq turns its eye on Russian weapons

Yes some heavier RPG-7 warheads would do the job as well, but that report of rpg 29 and 32 is not an official confirmation

sepheronx wrote:

iraqidabab wrote:This says Iraq buying RPG-29 and RPG-32 to counter the truck suicide bombs

http://burathanews.com/news/267838.html

Wouldn't simple RPG-7's be capable of taking out the suicide trucks?

better yet some thermobarics. soft skinned vehicles like trucks would get fcked by a direct hit from RPO-M. this sucker packs the explosive punch comparable to 5.5 kgs of tnt, same as the amount of explosive filler in a 152 mm He-Frag shell.

they're not talking about soft skinned vehicles,
but up-armored trucks exactly designed to withstand enough fire to get close enough to their target.

mutantsushi wrote:they're not talking about soft skinned vehicles,
but up-armored trucks exactly designed to withstand enough fire to get close enough to their target.

how beefed-up are we talking about? there's stuffing sandbags all over walls armored, some welded steel plates to cover vitals and there's this:


but i doubt thermobarics wont do large amounts of damage-the blast waves alone that would rock the vehicle would rupture something structurally important fierce. nearby detonation of buried HE-frag IEDS warp the hulls of purpose built IFVs that are not tanks. improvised vehicles also lack anti-spall liners, they substitute with sandbags but those are really heavy and restrict mobility a lot.

This, a truck they armored. The only good thing for our force is that the truck moves very slowely due to the heavy weight making aiming easy and gives them time. But the other thing is the blast is big and it has to be taken out from a far distance.

iraqidabab wrote:This, a truck they armored. The only good thing for our force is that the truck moves very slowely due to the heavy weight making aiming easy and gives them time. But the other thing is the blast is big and it has to be taken out from a far distance.

sh!t, thats a 14 ton truck and if they managed to make it struggle with the weight then there must be more than 14 tons of uparmoring and payload combined. damn, a Kornet is not unwarranted, in fact its a necessity to bust these mofos and do it from far, far away.

Personally I would think the cheapest option would be a combination of ZU-23 and Recoilless rifles like the SPG-9... the Russians will have plenty of these systems and the ammo is relatively cheap and they are straight forward to use and maintain.

Add night optics and they would be day night all weather systems...

I note that the US has offered AT-4, which is their equivalent of the RPG... but considering the threat is equipped with home made armour I would go for something like the engineer rocket launchers the Russians/Soviets used.... ie the RMG, which is custom designed for bunker busting. It is a disposable rocket that is a tandem warhead design except the front warhead is designed to blow a small hole in light to medium armour while the rear warhead is a thermobaric warhead that blows into the hole created by the front warhead and into the bunker or light vehicle before it explodes... it would be ideal for destroying vehicle bombs...

It will penetrate up to 120mm or 12cm of steel armour before exploding with the force of 3kgs of HE.

In fact there should be an RPG-29 and RPG-7 version of these rockets... the RPG-29 should have a larger rocket motor and therefore greater range...

Russia has shipped an emergency shipments of rpg29 and rpg32 for that purpose apparently.

The great thing about the Kornet-E is the range. If they can reliably target these trucks out to 3-4km or more than certainly the Kornet-E is the one for the job.

However, if they can only reliably target such vehicles at < 2.5km, then they might as well buy some 2nd hand Soviet-era Fagots and Metis systems; which will still easily penetrate the make-shift armour on these trucks, but will be much cheaper and won't pose as much of a potent threat to Iraqi armour in case of capture by the enemy.

About the RPG-29 and RPG-32 systems; they exist only to give a backup/emergency AT capability to infantry squads; they are not a primary AT weapon by any means.
The rockets are unguided, and take skill to hit anything with at longer ranges.

The types of assets that can be targetted by such bomb trucks should always be covered by guided ATGM systems. Relying on just RPGs would be a big mistake.

There was talk recently about Iraq being interested in MiG-31, but doubtful anything would come of that (sadly nothing came of rumoured MiG-35 deal either which was more "accessible" anyway- the US and israelis are desperate to stop any non-US friendly ME country to get things like Su-27/30, MiG-31, S-300 etc.), considering how hard the americans are trying to force Iraq not to buy russian gear (they have been trying that since 2012).

Su-27SM3 or such would be ideal too. No way they would get MiG-31's as no new one was built in a long time, and it was very expensive even during soviet era.

Well the SM3 can only come second hand say by upgrading some VVS birds they might want to sell (do they even have some to sell?), or the Belarus ones including the remaining Su-30K, but Iraq also was interested in Su-30MK2, so in an ideal world those or even better, Su-30MKI or Su-35 would be the best choice to keep KSA at bay, but like i said earlier geopolitical meddling will come into play...

I believe SM3 are new builds. Su-30 series are twin seaters so single seaters may be ideal for Iraq for air superiority. Su-27SKM as example. With modern tech, they can modernize the N001 radar to be better than old ones without replacing radar entirely and make it cheap/effective. Add on export based EW/ECM systems and voila.

There were only 12 new built SM3, likely leftovers from a chinese order (same with the SKMs), the recent order for 36 more SM3 (or similar standard, probably they'll call it SM4 or something?)  plus the 2 already upgraded is for modernizing in-service birds. The latest N-001VP radars already have something like 30% or even 50% more range compared to the standard N-001, not to mention vastly improved processing power and A-A and A-G modes, but probably it's at the end of the evolutionary path.

News that American Bank are holding back Iraqi money so they can't purchases more weapons from Russia. Is there anyway around this for Iraq?

Where you got that from

Sheytan posted about that weeks ago. Any idea how much iraqi money the yankee ***s blocked, how much money does Iraq have in US banks?

Iraq has approx $78bn deposited at the new York fed as far as I know. Could be wrong on the actual bank. But the value is roughly that. In addition there is $30bn at the central bank of iraq...  But money cannot be transfered without swift and the transaction passing through new York. Surely there are Ways of circumventing that but the Iraqis don't Want to raise the ire of uncle Sam... The iraqi pm haider Abadi was begging Obama to let these payments pass during the g7 summit where Obama snubbed him awkwardly....

I am guessing uncle Sam is not happy with Iraqis rumoured to be trying to pay for Russian tanks helicopter and mraps and jets.... Instead of paying us contractors.

But the problem is Iraqis are too scared to abandon hope of allying with the us... The thing they fear most is being on the wrong side of uncle Sam.

Jesus the stuff that can be bought with that money, there wouldn't be a rat left all the way to the Med, let alone the border! It is utterly infuriating what the american pieces of s**t are doing, blackmailing and threatening you to spend all that money on their grotesquely overpriced monkey junk, while at the same time having their KSA & co stooges keep ISIS well supplied and fueled with more braindead rats.

I can't see an obvious way out of this now (other than unrealistic stuff like biting the bullet and getting some nukes from somewhere like NK - they would love some of that money- so the US bastards can't touch you at least militarily- and then finish off the rats), i truly hope it will end eventually, but i hope some day will be payback time.

Of course if Iraq diversified it's funds away from.dollars they would be able to make large transactions without us interference. But last time Saddam tried that in 2001-2002... So Iraqis learned a good lesson from that.

Flyboy77 wrote:News that American Bank are holding back Iraqi money so they can't purchases more weapons from Russia. Is there anyway around this for Iraq?

I'm with dabab on this one, source please.

AlfaT8 wrote:

Flyboy77 wrote:News that American Bank are holding back Iraqi money so they can't purchases more weapons from Russia. Is there anyway around this for Iraq?

I'm with dabab on this one, source please.

You'll have to ask sheytanelkebir he is the one that posted the news originally

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150602/1022854361.html