Russian Auto Industry

"People are disappointed because X and Y". Since when are we taking Youtube comments seriously? It's a car which costs around 6500 euros and that's completely new. Find me a new car for that kind of money in Europe and we'll talk. LADA made a great push in the right direction with the Vesta and X-RAY. People's expectations are too unrealistic. They expect Russian manufacturers to produce a car which is on the same level as a BMW and pay 2000 euros for it. And all of that in a single year.

Neutrality wrote:"People are disappointed because X and Y". Since when are we taking Youtube comments seriously? It's a car which costs around 6500 euros and that's completely new. Find me a new car for that kind of money in Europe and we'll talk. LADA made a great push in the right direction with the Vesta and X-RAY. People's expectations are too unrealistic. They expect Russian manufacturers to produce a car which is on the same level as a BMW and pay 2000 euros for it. And all of that in a single year.

Car ''experts'' from East Europe are some of most retarded degenerates in existence so don't fret too much, you should hear similar morons from Serbia.

Funny thing is that when someone tried to make Russian car from scratch the way they suggest (Marussia supercar) they all complained and laughed because ''all Russian cats shit, Russians can't make things, let Europeans make cars good''.

Now Lada ''listens'' to them (lol) and it is all wrong again... trolls will be trolls.

And who's is to say those dislikes are all from Russian users? Too many ukrops and other EE scum is allowed on the internet unsupervised.

Neutrality wrote:"People are disappointed because X and Y". Since when are we taking Youtube comments seriously? It's a car which costs around 6500 euros and that's completely new. Find me a new car for that kind of money in Europe and we'll talk. LADA made a great push in the right direction with the Vesta and X-RAY. People's expectations are too unrealistic. They expect Russian manufacturers to produce a car which is on the same level as a BMW and pay 2000 euros for it. And all of that in a single year.

Well, i suppose people expected genuine Lada chasis too But yeah i agree car looks decent for the money, sadly little to none will reach European markets due to..well...noone wants anything Russian here. Except maybe Serbia, Bulgaria and few other Balcan countries.

Militarov wrote:
Well, i suppose people expected genuine Lada chasis too But yeah i agree car looks decent for the money, sadly little to none will reach European markets due to..well...noone wants anything Russian here. Except maybe Serbia, Bulgaria and few other Balcan countries.

The Vesta is IIRC completely based on their own (AvtoVAZ) platform.

Neutrality wrote:

Militarov wrote:
Well, i suppose people expected genuine Lada chasis too But yeah i agree car looks decent for the money, sadly little to none will reach European markets due to..well...noone wants anything Russian here. Except maybe Serbia, Bulgaria and few other Balcan countries.

The Vesta is IIRC completely based on their own (AvtoVAZ) platform.

Sort of, still developed in cooperation with Reno-Nissan engineers, so it has similiarities with their own designs like Sandero and X-Ray concept, but its unique in its own way. Using chasis developed/bult by other companies is not rare today anyways.

sepheronx wrote:In the past, Lada was quite popular.  Niva sold very well in south america till they changed import taxes, making it expensive.

The new ladas are a whole new type of quality.  Apparently quite good and over 80% localized parts.  To say it is french is true though but people seem to forget it is owned by Nissan-Renault jv.  Same compabies whom also manufacture in east/central europe.  If they say it is shit, it is because they are a bunch of biased retards.

Lada Niva is quite popular here too, but fewer and fewer are seen on the streets due to huge amounts of second hand 4x4s that came past few years from the West, mostly Jeep and Rovers which took the market for new Ladas. But lets say in 70s and 80s Lada Riva was quite casually seen on streets together with Fiat 1300, Zastava 750, Zastava 101 and similar...

Unless actually Renault-Nissan group tries to market XRay in Europe i dont think it will go well here, coz ppl have..already formed opinion about anything Russian, especially cars. When its about other markets like Asia, Middle East, even Balcan i guess Lada could sell quite a few of these.

Foreign market is something that AvtoVAZ has to worry about in the future. The domestic market is huge as the Russian car market is one of the biggest in the world. If they continue this course with refreshing models and cheaper cars, they'll create some serious competition for European car companies in Russia. Then, when Lada has established itself within Russia and people don't consider it cheap quality anymore, that's when AvtoVAZ can start thinking about the European car market. If Dacia can do it then why can't Lada? Alot comes down to right marketing and price. 6000-7000 euro for a brand new car which is no worse than any other European car qualitywise? You can count me in and probably a few (ten) thousand other people.

Neutrality wrote:Foreign market is something that AvtoVAZ has to worry about in the future. The domestic market is huge as the Russian car market is one of the biggest in the world. If they continue this course with refreshing models and cheaper cars, they'll create some serious competition for European car companies in Russia. Then, when Lada has established itself within Russia and people don't consider it cheap quality anymore, that's when AvtoVAZ can start thinking about the European car market. If Dacia can do it then why can't Lada? Alot comes down to right marketing and price. 6000-7000 euro for a brand new car which is no worse than any other European car qualitywise? You can count me in and probably a few (ten) thousand other people.

Well Russia car market shrinked quite alot since 2013. at least when its about import cars, still Avtovaz is marked in Russia as "boys first car" or for common not very well situated people, they buy foreign vehicle soon as they get the money as you can notice on Russian streets.

Well thing is that Dacia had alot of help from its Renault dad, hopefully Lada gets the same, id like to see them rolling on EU streets. Well thing is that Dacia is selling their cars for basically same price tag, same goes with some Asian brands, many will pay 1k more for Hyundai than save up 1k on Lada. I personally wouldnt mind this car at all, looks good enough for what i would use it for.

Neutrality wrote:Foreign market is something that AvtoVAZ has to worry about in the future. The domestic market is huge as the Russian car market is one of the biggest in the world. If they continue this course with refreshing models and cheaper cars, they'll create some serious competition for European car companies in Russia. Then, when Lada has established itself within Russia and people don't consider it cheap quality anymore, that's when AvtoVAZ can start thinking about the European car market. If Dacia can do it then why can't Lada? Alot comes down to right marketing and price. 6000-7000 euro for a brand new car which is no worse than any other European car qualitywise? You can count me in and probably a few (ten) thousand other people.

That's right, there will be market demand and European car dealers, resellers, etc... will want to take advantage of this demand.
Europe not wanting to buy Russian doesn't come into the equation.
All AvtoVAZ needs to do is promote itself better, a real major campaign - in the Balkans, in Eastern Europe, in Southern Europe, in Israel. I think Germany & France are quite ripe for such a model too. Most of these markets are familiar with Russian designs. But I don't see any real efforts being made, no advertising campaigns, no export deals, nuthin.

Lada is already selling in Germany http://www.lada.de
A Lada dealership has just opened in Hungary.
They signed up an agency in Lebanon (will open in 2016)

Yes, they are already making moves into non-CIS markets.

TheArmenian wrote:Lada is already selling in Germany http://www.lada.de
A Lada dealership has just opened in Hungary.
They signed up an agency in Lebanon (will open in 2016)

Yes, they are already making moves into non-CIS markets.

That site tho gave me cancer, id build them something better for free... -.-

TheArmenian wrote:Lada is already selling in Germany http://www.lada.de
A Lada dealership has just opened in Hungary.
They signed up an agency in Lebanon (will open in 2016)

Yes, they are already making moves into non-CIS markets.

They have such dealerships in many countries; and that website gives you an idea of what I was talking about - crappy brand promotion and selling of old models.
It's an absolute joke - their level of effort.

I meant a proper advertising/selling campaign; they have the resources for it. A blitz of TV ads, modern websites, promotional events, sponsorships of sports and cultural events, showroom models & test drives, contests, etc...

sepheronx wrote: But I imagine the models like Niva (which didn't really change so they are new Niva's) and Granta's would sell quite well, for being cheap.

Chevrolet Niva 2. This car is supposedly in production but I still haven't read any official news about it. What a damn nice looking car.

Neutrality wrote:

sepheronx wrote: But I imagine the models like Niva (which didn't really change so they are new Niva's) and Granta's would sell quite well, for being cheap.

Chevrolet Niva 2. This car is supposedly in production but I still haven't read any official news about it. What a damn nice looking car.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2016-chevrolet-niva-shows-up-in-camo-for-the-first-time-photo-gallery-97126.html

Militarov wrote:http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2016-chevrolet-niva-shows-up-in-camo-for-the-first-time-photo-gallery-97126.html

Okay, that's awesome

@ FlamingPython

Hold your horses. That website does not belong to Lada. It is the website of the local German dealership that sells Lada. Big difference.

Lada does not do much advertising outside the CIS. Whatever they are selling currently outside the CIS is just gravy. They have not put the effort (and $$$) there yet. But hold on to your butt, that may change in the future (and the weak Rouble will help).

Note that Avtovaz is a joint venture with Renault-Nissan. That global entity is the one who decides what effort and what marketing and what $$$ will be spent and where. Note that even their Datsun brand is not marketed in much of the world.

I don't want to go into too much details, suffice to say that the Automotive industry is much more complicated than what the average people think. I know because I have been dealing with that industry for the last 20 years.

@ Neutrality

The photo you posted is the new version of the Chevrolet Niva. It is not in production yet. I am not sure it will ever be. Note that the Chevrolet Niva is a joint venture between Avtovaz (Lada) and General Motors (Chevrolet). Currently, their factory in Togliatti still produces the old Chevrolet Niva.