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Pinto wrote:India seals Rs 70,000 crores missile deal with Russia

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But they want f16 from usa. They know something. They claim is better with f16. Russia should stick to pakistan. But paki also work with usa then better is to actually WORK with usa.

India has been offered both F 16 and F 18 latest version since past many years with offer to manufacture them in India but India has always rejected this offer as IAF is not interested

jhelb wrote:

Pinto wrote:This news has been given by UNI and its govt of india news service. secondly i think the deal of 11 b $ is for total contracts including nuclear sub on lease, armored vehicles 149 nos and many more stuck deal like this to be signed in December

10 S 400 will at best cost $ 6 billion

1 nuclear sub on lease say $ 2 billion

149 BMP 2 around $ 200 million

Where is the remaining $2 - $2.5 billion going?

Anyway this is one mother fucker of a deal.  

Looks like the remaining amount will be used for 2 kilo class latest sub and upgrades of all IL 76 transport and re fuelers aircraft

[quote="sepheronx"][quote="victor1985"]
But they want f16 from usa. They know something. They claim is better with f16. Russia should stick to pakistan. But paki also work with usa then better is to actually WORK with usa.[/quote]

What?

No.  They don't.  A variant of F-16 is being pitched to India.  Not that India is wanting it.[/quote]


You know what. I saw the military indian forum. Is full of pro americans comments. So you know. Forget about them

victor1985 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

victor1985 wrote:
But they want f16 from usa. They know something. They claim is better with f16. Russia should stick to pakistan. But paki also work with usa then better is to actually WORK with usa.

What?

No.  They don't.  A variant of F-16 is being pitched to India.  Not that India is wanting it.

You know what. I saw the military indian forum. Is full of pro americans comments. So you know. Forget about them

when ever the india's dispute and threat from china will come India will always use US influence to counter them as china is hugely arming Pakistan too and India needs to protect its interests too. Russia if sold real punch weapon system to pak then it will force india to look for its arms else where and it will be a diplomatic and huge business loss for Russia as pak can never compensate India big orders which it gives to russia for arms

Russia always sells its high tech weapons to china too but india never objected but with pakistan its different ball game

If you are so fond of supplying arms to pak then you can try this

Well i am not upset on russia supply on pak or india. As long as one at least of them dont pick f16 and work with russia. But ... wouldnt be better that russia could sell weapons to all 3 countryes with no problem? Also ive looking at india and see that they are zen like with peace and so on. This in time that eu and usa has a agressive mentality. Why india didnt choosen a agressive and self interest centered mentality from the beginning? Now is too late...

victor1985 wrote:Well i am not upset on russia supply on pak or india. As long as one at least of them dont pick f16 and work with russia. But ... wouldnt be better that russia could sell weapons to all 3 countryes with no problem? Also ive looking at india and see that they are zen like with peace and so on. This in time that eu and usa has a agressive mentality. Why india didnt choosen a agressive and self interest centered mentality from the beginning? Now is too late...

India always had independent foreign policy but a certain bias towards Russia always and its same even today. India supported Russia in Ukraine and Crimea issue despite pressure from US N west

India will never buy front like critical weapon system from US like a fighter aircraft neither can US force us

Since past 2 yrs reports in media said Indo-Russian defence ties are a thing of the past and US/Euro Consortium will replace Russia as a Defence partner for India. With T90M Bhishma, 2nd Nuclear Sub, S400, Pakfa/ PMF FGFA the book order will dwarf everything else. Indo-Russian ties are stronger than ever. The only issue is we are "Indian" customers and they are Russian sellers. Their policy of tech transfer and system development differs from the west which poses problems for us. But that doesn't change the reality, that Russia provides us with technologies that we still cannot imagine to obtain from US, Germans or the French

I cant understand what you are saying. You are russian or indian cause your post is confusing.

I readed comentary you make. I espect further clarifications on this issue. For example where india and russia arent quite agree and what are the possible solutions.

victor1985 wrote:I readed comentary you make. I espect further clarifications on this issue. For example where india and russia arent quite agree and what are the possible solutions.

i am indian bro

Russia and India disagreements are not over any international topic

They are bilateral like late supplies of defence weapon sytems, Su30 MKI spare parts erratic suppy, Medium rols transport aircraft agreed in 2009 but no progress so far

India ready to buy off shelf around 60 T50 fighters despite spending on the design of FGFA with Russia over 230 mill $ but Russia has still not even allowed IAF to fly them let alone testing them it means FGFA will get delayed beyond 2022 and india has reduced order of rafales and instead wish to spend saved money on FGFA

There are teething problems in Russian- Indian bilateral defense ties no major area of disagreement as such

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Pinto wrote:India seals Rs 70,000 crores missile deal with Russia

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New Delhi, Nov 2 (UNI) In what could easily be said the biggest ever defence deal with Russia, India has stitched a contract to acquire S-400 anti-ballistic missile systems from Moscow at a cost of around Rs 70,000 crores, top sources in the Defence Ministry said here today.

The modalities, including the price of deal and number of systems to be acquired, were agreed upon in the meeting of India-Russia Inter Governmental Commission on Military-Technical-Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) which concluded today in Moscow, with Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar co-chairing it jointly with his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu.

The mega deal, along with an agreement to get another nuclear submarine, is likely to be formally signed during the visit to Russia of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who would be travelling to Moscow sometime in December for an annual summit with President Vladimir Putin, the sources told UNI.

Read more at http://www.uniindia.com/india-seals-rs-70-000-cr-missile-deal-with-russia/india/news/257832.html#DJM1EVcOzV6WQ6iO.99

Oh damn this is some big money around 11 b $ and might be for numbers larger then the expected.

Long live India- Russia friendship

Do we know what India is buying exactly because I don't think the S 400 and the submarine alone is worth $11 billion. I really wish India would purchase small arms and modern snipers(modern Russian sniper rifles are second to none, they are the very best).

Pinto wrote:i am indian bro

Russia and India disagreements are not over any international topic

They are bilateral like late supplies of defence weapon sytems, Su30 MKI spare parts erratic suppy, Medium rols transport aircraft agreed in 2009 but no progress so far

India ready to buy off shelf around 60 T50 fighters despite spending on the design of FGFA with Russia over 230 mill $ but Russia has still not even allowed IAF to fly them let alone testing them it means FGFA will get delayed beyond 2022 and india has reduced order of rafales and instead wish to spend saved money on FGFA

There are teething problems in Russian- Indian bilateral defense ties no major area of disagreement as such

IAF doesn't get to fly them, because they're still in the development stage, why would you want to fly and test them now?

And how would not testing them yet translate to being delayed beyond 2022, last i checked things are still on track, FGFA will be ready by 2017/18, i don't see it even being delayed to 2020 much less beyond 2022.

Rafale was a complete and total waist of time, Dassault didn't want to upgrade Mirage so instead they pushed for Rafale, which was considered to expensive, so India had MMRCA, but then chose Rafale because of some stupid obsession with French aircraft, which cost more then double the allocated funds for MMRCA (8~10 Billoin), in the end Modi canceled that crap and made a deal for 36 fighter for around the original price in exchange for upgrading there Mirage fleet (8~10B).

So no, India didn't save squat, in fact they're wasting more now because they're also upgrading the Mig-21 fleet.

George1 wrote:Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft to be upgraded with multi-function displays

India will extend the operation of the MiG-21 to 2020[/b]

well the exact details of this huge contract in bifurcation will be known when signed in first week of December when Indian PM meets President PM. But this 11 b & may include

Each system cost $500 mil ,and India is possibly going to use some $5-6 Bil to buy 10 Nos S-400s

$900 mil-1 Bill $ for new SSN Kashalot.

$1 Bil for Ka-226

New BMP-2s(149 I think) - amount ?

2 Kilo class submarines  amount ?

upgrade of existing kilo class submarines in IN fleet- amount ?

Upgrade of Su 30mki

so this seems to be whole package but not yet clear includes which of the above items


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do you have links to support that FGFA will be ready for testing in 2 yrs time ? what we know is India is forced to but ready to fly from Russia T 50 because FGFA won't be ready anytime before 2022-23 because

http://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2015/09/16/india-wants-a-ride-on-the-t-50_397177

if its true then rafale deal will be over by 36 aircraft. mig 21 are bing upgraded just like jaguars so as to keep the minimum required strength of IAF flying till deal with Russia over FGFA is finalized and hopefully in december we may have this deal signed

sepheronx wrote:FGFA never changed schedual. What changed was when Modi gor in, he wants to replace a lot of the older jets sooner and PAK FA is close(r) to fielding than FGFA and so opted for that. Added that they dont have to invest nearly as much and still get tech transfer.

India is in very urgent need to finalize FGFA along with medium role transport air craft at the earliest possible hopefully in december when modi-putin summit takes place

Pinto wrote:do you have links to support that FGFA will be ready for testing in 2 yrs time ? what we know is India is forced to but ready to fly from Russia T 50 because FGFA won't be ready anytime before 2022-23 because

http://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2015/09/16/india-wants-a-ride-on-the-t-50_397177

if its true then rafale deal will be over by 36 aircraft. mig 21 are bing upgraded just like jaguars so as to keep the minimum required strength of IAF flying till deal with Russia over FGFA is finalized and hopefully in december we may have this deal signed

Well well well, apologies are in order, apparently the dates i recalled are dead wrong (perhaps from 2011 speculation), anyway in the graph below we see that the FGFA isn't to arrive till 2020, that said the PAK-FA-E (SU-50E) for India will be available by 2017/18.


Apparently this is still going according to the 2012 schedule, by Chief of Air Staff of India, NAK Browne.

The entire point of the MMRCA was to replace the Mirage and Mig-21 fleet with 126 modern aircraft for ~10B, but there stupid obsession with french aircraft led them to a deal that would cost them more then double that amount, now they spent that ~10B on 36 measly aircraft and have to pay extra to modernizing there Mirage and Mig-21 fleets.

I think that the chart is just fan-art. It was posted several months ago in the PAK FA thread, and at first was assumed to be a official UAC/Sukhoi poster. But turns out it was fan made, and is apparently based on this similar Su-30 family breakdown.
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To add my two cents, I think that when the PAK FA enters serial production (AFAIK this is is still on schedule for 2016), some of the flying T-50 prototypes might be provided to the IAF for them to fly and test. A six year period between first flight and entry into service isnt too bad (considering a full aspect stealth fighter is basically a first for the RuAF and Sukhoi), so I dont think its unreasonable to expect a derivative of the PAK FA (which is what the FGFA really is) to be two or three years behind. After all its not building a new aircraft from scratch, its taking what will be a finished product and modifiying it to IAF requirements, not to mention that a lot of the problems will have been ironed out with the PAK FA, thus shortening FGFA development time. So the stated 2018/19 FGFA dates are all right IMHO, as long as the IAF variant doesnt depart too much from the RuAF model.

ali.a.r wrote:I think that the chart is just fan-art. It was posted several months ago in the PAK FA thread, and at first was assumed to be a official UAC/Sukhoi poster. But turns out it was fan made, and is apparently based on this similar Su-30 family breakdown.
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To add my two cents, I think that when the PAK FA enters serial production (AFAIK this is is still on schedule for 2016), some of the flying T-50 prototypes might be provided to the IAF for them to fly and test. A six year period between first flight and entry into service isnt too bad (considering a full aspect stealth fighter is basically a first for the RuAF and Sukhoi), so I dont think its unreasonable to expect a derivative of the PAK FA (which is what the FGFA really is) to be two or three years behind. After all its not building a new aircraft from scratch, its taking what will be a finished product and modifiying it to IAF requirements, not to mention that a lot of the problems will have been ironed out with the PAK FA, thus shortening FGFA development time. So the stated 2018/19 FGFA dates are all right IMHO, as long as the IAF variant doesnt depart too much from the RuAF model.

What, fan-art, i thought something was off when it showed first prototype at '07 and the first production batch being based on the first prototype not the last, not to mention the Korean and Iranian variants.

Anyway, the dates still seem legit, production version around 2016 and export should be available a year after.

As for prototype testing, why, this isn't concurrent production like our western friends, just wait for it to be ready, and i am talking about the single seat export not the jointly produced FGFA.

Russian Helicopters, a subsidiary of the Russian state technology company Rostec, will supply India with the last 3 Mi-17V-5.

DUBAI (Sputnik) — Russian Helicopters, a subsidiary of the Russian state technology company Rostec, will supply India with the last 3 Mi-17V-5 (NATO reporting name Hip) military transport helicopters in the near future, the company’s deputy director general said Tuesday.

"The implementation of the contract continues. In the near future, the last three helicopters will be shipped to the foreign customer," Alexander Shcherbinin told RIA Novosti during the Dubai Airshow-2015.

Between 2012 and 2015, Russia delivered to India 148 Mi-17V-5s out of 151 stipulated by the contract, the company’s spokeswoman Ekaterina Pavlova stated in August.

It is planned that the deal would be completely implemented by year-end.

The Mi-17V-5 helicopter is the latest model in Russia's Mi-8/17 helicopter family. Designed for personnel transport, as well as for carrying cargo internally or on an external sling, it can be used in search and rescue operations, and be equipped with weapons.


In 2008, Russia’s state arms exporter Rosoboronexport struck a deal to deliver 80 Mi-17V-5 helicopters to India. The agreement was implemented before the end of 2013. In 2012-2013, the sides added three supplements to the initial agreement to deliver 71 additional helicopters before the end of 2015.

Mi-17s have been used in India since the government canceled an order for Italian helicopters amid corruption scandals involving Italian businessmen and Indian intermediaries.

http://sputniknews.com/business/20151110/1029874549/helicopters-india-rostec-delivery.html#ixzz3rHdPVH1T

Prime Minister Modi with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Ufa, Russia. (PTI Photo)


Days before Prime Minister Narendra Modi meets Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow on December 24, the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) chaired by defence minister Manohar Parrikar is all set to clear on Thursday procurement of five S-400 supersonic air defence systems from Russia. Besides, the DAC will also clear a “Make in India” plan to raise six regiments of Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launcher systems (MRLS). The five S-400 systems will cost around Rs 40,000 crore, while the Pinaka systems will cost another Rs 14,000 crore.

South Block sources said the acquisition of the S-400 system, which has a range from 40 to 400 km, depending on the missile fired, could be through the Request for Proposals (RFP) or government-to-government route. The acquisition will be discussed between Modi and Putin and may figure in the joint statement.

Although the military had earlier projected a requirement of a dozen S-400 systems, the defence ministry is clear that only five systems are sufficient to take care of the future airborne threat from across India’s borders. The S-400 is a proven anti-aircraft system, and is widely considered the most advanced of its kind in the world, with the capability of engaging missiles as well as aircraft. It comes with a mobile launcher and a threat detection radar-cum-command centre. The deal includes purchase of some 6,000 missiles from Russia.

The DAC is also expected to clear Pinaka MRLS that is expected to replace traditional artillery guns on the border. The Pinaka system can fire within seconds a barrage of unguided rockets with a range of up to 38 km to achieve a saturation bombing effect, or what is called area destruction. This kind of weapon system is lethal for troop and armour concentrations, and is also battle-proven.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/centre-to-clear-russian-military-purchases-ahead-of-modi-putin-meet/story-MylCR0e3XwldWMz0be2TBI.html

India could purchase more than $7 billion’s worth of weapons from Russia, local media reported Monday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — In late November, the Indian Foreign Ministry told Sputnik that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was scheduled to visit Moscow on December 24-25.

According to the Kommersant newspaper, breakthrough deals in the military-technical sphere could be expected from Modi’s visit. The total package of contracts is estimated to be worth more than $7 billion.

God of War: Indra-2015 Russian-Indian Joint Military Exercise
A source close to the Indian Defense Ministry told RIA Novosti last week that an agreement on joint Russian-Indian production of Ka-226T helicopters was likely to be signed either during or after Modi’s visit. An ambassadorial source told the media outlet that India’s arms purchase committee had approved the purchase of five S-400 air defense systems which could be worth around $5.8 billion.

Russia and India have enjoyed mutually beneficial strategic relations, especially in the field of defense and military cooperation, since the 1960s. Russia is among India’s foremost weapons suppliers. Over two-thirds of the Indian Army, Air Force and Navy military equipment is Russian- or Soviet-made.


Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151221/1032069175/india-buy-billions-russian-arms.html#ixzz3uxNFqRBo

After a long hiatus, Russia is once again set to emerge as India’s top military hardware supplier with a slew of big ticket defence deals set to be announced during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit starting on Thursday. Collectively, the defence deals to be announced during Modi’s visit would be worth upwards of $10 billion.

According to official sources, India is likely to sign a multi-billion dollar deal for four improved Krivak or Talwar class stealth frigates with Russia — expected to cost upwards of USD 3 billion — during the PM’s visit. This will be in addition to the two helicopter deals expected to be signed and the announcement on purchase of five S-400 Triumf air defence systems. With these deals Russia is likely to emerge once again as the top supplier of military hardware to India which in the last few years was taken over by the U.S.

India had earlier procured six frigates of the same class in two different batches and has been very pleased with the performance of the 4,000 tonne state of the art frigates which pack a lot of firepower in comparison to their size.

Like the earlier ships, these will also be built by Yantar shipyard but will additionally involve an Indian partner in line with the government’s ‘Make in India’ push. Officials said Pipavav shipyard owned by Anil Ambani’s Reliance group is likely to be the Indian partner in the deal. Incidentally Russian Navy too has recently ordered these ships for its Baltic fleet. Both sides have been in discussions for the additional frigates for some time but the deal was delayed as India insisted on building it through the ‘Make in India’ route. The deal was also partly delayed due to the engine issue. The engines are built by Zorya Nashproekt of Ukraine and after the crisis in Crimea, Ukraine has refused to supply engines to Russia. However, officials said the issue has been sorted and Ukraine has no reservations in supplying engines to India.

CEO team
The 18-member Indian CEO delegation accompanying Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Russia includes four company heads from defence companies.

These include Anil Ambani, Chairman of Reliance group; Baba Kalyani, Chairman and MD of Bahart Forge; Sukaran Singh, CEO of Tata Advanced Systems; and Suvarna Raju, Chairman of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Reliance is likely to partner Russian helicopters to build Kamov-226T utility helicopters in India and is also a contender for the ship project. Tata is in advanced stage of talks with Sukhoi to set up a Joint Venture to manufacture spares for Sukhoi fighters in India.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-russia-likely-to-sign-deal-for-4-stealth-frigates/article8014794.ece

Pinto wrote:After a long hiatus, Russia is once again set to emerge as India’s top military hardware supplier with a slew of big ticket defence deals set to be announced during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit starting on Thursday. Collectively, the defence deals to be announced during Modi’s visit would be worth upwards of $10 billion.

According to official sources, India is likely to sign a multi-billion dollar deal for four improved Krivak or Talwar class stealth frigates with Russia — expected to cost upwards of USD 3 billion — during the PM’s visit. This will be in addition to the two helicopter deals expected to be signed and the announcement on purchase of five S-400 Triumf air defence systems. With these deals Russia is likely to emerge once again as the top supplier of military hardware to India which in the last few years was taken over by the U.S.

India had earlier procured six frigates of the same class in two different batches and has been very pleased with the performance of the 4,000 tonne state of the art frigates which pack a lot of firepower in comparison to their size.

Like the earlier ships, these will also be built by Yantar shipyard but will additionally involve an Indian partner in line with the government’s ‘Make in India’ push. Officials said Pipavav shipyard owned by Anil Ambani’s Reliance group is likely to be the Indian partner in the deal. Incidentally Russian Navy too has recently ordered these ships for its Baltic fleet. Both sides have been in discussions for the additional frigates for some time but the deal was delayed as India insisted on building it through the ‘Make in India’ route. The deal was also partly delayed due to the engine issue. The engines are built by Zorya Nashproekt of Ukraine and after the crisis in Crimea, Ukraine has refused to supply engines to Russia. However, officials said the issue has been sorted and Ukraine has no reservations in supplying engines to India.

CEO team
The 18-member Indian CEO delegation accompanying Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Russia includes four company heads from defence companies.

These include Anil Ambani, Chairman of Reliance group; Baba Kalyani, Chairman and MD of Bahart Forge; Sukaran Singh, CEO of Tata Advanced Systems; and Suvarna Raju, Chairman of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Reliance is likely to partner Russian helicopters to build Kamov-226T utility helicopters in India and is also a contender for the ship project. Tata is in advanced stage of talks with Sukhoi to set up a Joint Venture to manufacture spares for Sukhoi fighters in India.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-russia-likely-to-sign-deal-for-4-stealth-frigates/article8014794.ece

No no no, let's forget about all those deals, and sell some Su-35s to Pakistan instead