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Russia Arms Expo 2013
TheArmenian- Posts : 1880
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Austin- Posts : 7617
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Any orders for export or Russian customers signed so far ?
TheArmenian- Posts : 1880
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This is not an aviation show. Don't expect a string of order announcements.Austin wrote:Any orders for export or Russian customers signed so far ?
Most customers are from third world countries and they don't like to have their orders publicized.
Cpt Caz- Posts : 86
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More pics of the BMPT-72 I saw posted on the otvaga2004 forums:
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flamming_python- Posts : 9543
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The BMPT-72 screams awesome..
But I noticed that the BMPT-1 is also on display at this year's Nizhny Tagil.
Which makes sense because it's a custom-built new model rather than a T-72 upgrade like the BMPT-72 is.
It has a couple inherent advantages such as the two grenade-launchers on the corners.
So what I'm wondering is that seeing as it's still for sale; why didn't they give it an upgrade too? With the Arena-E system and new reactive armour?
Perhaps such a makeover would turn out too expensive to justify for the old chassis that it's based on?
Which leads to the strange situation where you can either get a nice turret through the BMPT-72 upgrade; or buy a BMPT-1 and get a nice hull - but not both.
But I noticed that the BMPT-1 is also on display at this year's Nizhny Tagil.
Which makes sense because it's a custom-built new model rather than a T-72 upgrade like the BMPT-72 is.
It has a couple inherent advantages such as the two grenade-launchers on the corners.
So what I'm wondering is that seeing as it's still for sale; why didn't they give it an upgrade too? With the Arena-E system and new reactive armour?
Perhaps such a makeover would turn out too expensive to justify for the old chassis that it's based on?
Which leads to the strange situation where you can either get a nice turret through the BMPT-72 upgrade; or buy a BMPT-1 and get a nice hull - but not both.
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French General stunned by the quality of Russian arms (in the good way)
http://vpk-news.ru/news/17610
http://vpk-news.ru/news/17610
Zivo- Posts : 1487
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There is nothing here that should have stunned him. These weapons have been discussed for quite some time now. He should register on this forum, he might learn something.flamming_python wrote:French General stunned by the quality of Russian arms (in the good way)
http://vpk-news.ru/news/17610
I wonder what he will think when Armata is revealed?
Regular- Posts : 3894
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Well most likely he only had experience with Soviet systems and perhaps early Russian ones. If You look at systems that were presented recently You notice trend of quality and sophistication going up. Compare BMPT-72 with it's predecessor and You see that they refined design and actually did solid work. R/D is alive and kicking like never before.
GarryB- Posts : 40540
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The thing is that a country like India might be interested in a T-90 based fleet so the original BMPT makes sense.But I noticed that the BMPT-1 is also on display at this year's Nizhny Tagil.
Which makes sense because it's a custom-built new model rather than a T-72 upgrade like the BMPT-72 is.
Of course the T-72 is far more widely used so a version that can be adapted from that vehicle makes a lot of sense too... even India might use this upgrade to apply to old T-72s with damaged turrets or that they don't need as tanks but want a fire support vehicle.
The hull grenade launchers are actually expensive additions... I am not surprised they dropped them from the T-72 upgrade... they also have a fairly limited field of fire too so I can understand why they deleted them.It has a couple inherent advantages such as the two grenade-launchers on the corners.
I suspect they could have if India or Algeria or another country with lots of T-90s in service is interested.So what I'm wondering is that seeing as it's still for sale; why didn't they give it an upgrade too? With the Arena-E system and new reactive armour?
However even for countries like Algeria and India a T-72 upgrade model would be far cheaper and only slightly less well protected and they could keep their T-90s for the purpose they were designed.
I am sure if a country had the money they could get exactly what they wanted.Which leads to the strange situation where you can either get a nice turret through the BMPT-72 upgrade; or buy a BMPT-1 and get a nice hull - but not both.
These two vehicles are most likely to appeal to the existing market and are low risk designs.
A lot of people in the west believe the western propaganda and when you don't make an effort to find out more you rarely stumble upon any information to the contrary... certainly in the west.There is nothing here that should have stunned him. These weapons have been discussed for quite some time now. He should register on this forum, he might learn something. Very Happy
I wonder what he will think when Armata is revealed?
More importantly a lot of this stuff is serial production stuff as opposed to two decades of hand made non functional prototypes that are presented year after year hoping for investment...Compare BMPT-72 with it's predecessor and You see that they refined design and actually did solid work. R/D is alive and kicking like never before.
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Austin- Posts : 7617
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Any news of Export Contracts signed so far Euro 1.5 Billion will be too big to be kept secret
a89- Posts : 105
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Also, you are not going to say you are unimpressed when you are a guest in the country. This type of comments are typical: "outstanding", "second to none"....There is nothing here that should have stunned him. These weapons have been discussed for quite some time now. He should register on this forum, he might learn something.
I don't think you will find -detailed- information on this. Iraq is negotiating for BTR-82. If these are replacing BTR-4, it will be a large batch. Other countries like Algeria have tested BMP-T in the past. Something could be signed, but it's all behind closed doors.Any news of Export Contracts signed so far Euro 1.5 Billion will be too big to be kept secret
By the way, some Russian websites claimed that a version of MSTA-S mounted on wheels was going to be introduced, but no updates yet.
Austin- Posts : 7617
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BMPT72 Unveiled at RAE-2013
New Arena-3 APS Debut At RAE-2013
New Arena-3 APS Debut At RAE-2013
zg18- Posts : 888
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Is it just me or that is weird? BTR-4s have been ordered from Ukraine in 2009 by Iraqis.a89 wrote:I don't think you will find -detailed- information on this. Iraq is negotiating for BTR-82. If these are replacing BTR-4, it will be a large batch. Other countries like Algeria have tested BMP-T in the past. Something could be signed, but it's all behind closed doors.
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The deal fell through when quality was low and Ukraine cannot meet production quantities/speed.zg18 wrote:Is it just me or that is weird? BTR-4s have been ordered from Ukraine in 2009 by Iraqis.a89 wrote:I don't think you will find -detailed- information on this. Iraq is negotiating for BTR-82. If these are replacing BTR-4, it will be a large batch. Other countries like Algeria have tested BMP-T in the past. Something could be signed, but it's all behind closed doors.
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Its so sad that the venas showed in the expo are cancelled prototypes:cry: They could've been such a useful asset. Now the VDV has to tediously wait another half decade to full decade to replace its 80s nonas with a kurganets chassis gun/mortar.
TR1- Posts : 5435
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Why cancelled? There are Venas being built right now, just slowly and few.KomissarBojanchev wrote:Its so sad that the venas showed in the expo are cancelled prototypes:cry: They could've been such a useful asset. Now the VDV has to tediously wait another half decade to full decade to replace its 80s nonas with a kurganets chassis gun/mortar.
zg18- Posts : 888
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2S31 "Vena" couldn`t possibly be used by VDV since it`s on chassis of BMP-3.KomissarBojanchev wrote:Its so sad that the venas showed in the expo are cancelled prototypes:cry: They could've been such a useful asset. Now the VDV has to tediously wait another half decade to full decade to replace its 80s nonas with a kurganets chassis gun/mortar.
Cpt Caz- Posts : 86
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Mr.Kalishnikov47- Posts : 293
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Gur Khan was very impressed with RAE-2013: http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2013/09/rae-2013_29.html
Video from RIA Novosti. Be sure to watch it in HD:
Video from RIA Novosti. Be sure to watch it in HD:
Zivo- Posts : 1487
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French 20mm RWS?
Cpt Caz- Posts : 86
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It is indeed.Zivo wrote:French 20mm RWS?
It's a French system called the ARX-20. Here's some information on it for those interested:
link
Just out of curiosity, how do you guys feel about the increasing Russian-French cooperation in military technologies?
TR1- Posts : 5435
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If it produces results, why not? Programs are ever more expensive, cooperation only makes both more competitive. Arms manufacturers are often international in nature.
Russian MOD will keep the predominantly domestic requirement for strategic systems, so no worries.
Russian MOD will keep the predominantly domestic requirement for strategic systems, so no worries.
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Clearly an attempt to appeal to markets that already use the weapons of other countries.
The Soviets didn't tend to use a 20mm cannon in the post WWII period, they tended to use either the 14.5mm KPV, which had higher velocity and better penetration than most 20mm weapons, or 23mm cannon with a heavier projectile.
The Soviets didn't tend to use a 20mm cannon in the post WWII period, they tended to use either the 14.5mm KPV, which had higher velocity and better penetration than most 20mm weapons, or 23mm cannon with a heavier projectile.