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    Post  TR1 Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:15 am

    McCain seriously needs to fuck off.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:57 pm

    Guys, sorry if this is a little  Off Topic , but if you want to learn more about McCain, you'd be interested in ckecking this out:   Laughing 
    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/johnmccain/a/johnmccainjokes_2.htm






    "ANNAnews" is so badass  Smile 


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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:18 pm

    There aren't really any "Polish-speakers" in Western Ukraine anymore; there used to be plenty but they were all driven out or murdered by the Banderovtsy in WW2 and probably following it as well; as Stalin made those territories part of the Ukrainian SSR and nationalist rebels were active there and in other regions until well into the 50s or so.

    The most hardcore anti-Russians in the Ukraine are indeed Ukrainians from the Western parts of the Ukraine that used to be part of Poland or the Austro-Hungarian empire (and never really Russia); but they aren't Poles. They hated the Poles. They hated Russians, Jews, etc... as well.. basically anyone who isn't them.

    I think it's more civilised these days of course, even people from Lvov and so on won't be downright unfriendly to Russians, most normal people anyway. But there are still plenty of extremists and ultra-nationalists too.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:28 pm

    They are nationalists.
    Actually they are the only nationalists in Europe who are anti-Russian.
    All the others are pro-Russian, actually the only pro-Russians in Europe right now are the nationalists.
    Interesting to see how this difference will converge and where all this will lead.
    Interesting to see also what Moscow will do with their new nationalist friends.
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    Post  Regular Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:11 pm

    http://www.sovr.krivbassinfo.com/cgi-bin/sovr.pl?lang=ru&action=showstat&sndir=2006_11&razd=4&stat=27 guess where they are now Very Happy I didn't know that Ukrainians were invited to such activities ;/
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    Post  etaepsilonk Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:57 pm

    Regular wrote:http://www.sovr.krivbassinfo.com/cgi-bin/sovr.pl?lang=ru&action=showstat&sndir=2006_11&razd=4&stat=27 guess where they are now :DI didn't know that Ukrainians were invited to such activities ;/

    Ukraine region has been a battleground for millenias, so it's not like that's gonna change anytime soon.





    A simple map of Kiev's standoff:
    http://www.kyivpost.com/media/images/2014/01/26/p18f6ajq8n1crhvteghu6m1am44/original.jpg
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:03 am

    Ukraina Akbar!
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:06 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:They are nationalists.
    Actually they are the only nationalists in Europe who are anti-Russian.
    All the others are pro-Russian, actually the only pro-Russians in Europe right now are the nationalists.
    Interesting to see how this difference will converge and where all this will lead.
    Interesting to see also what Moscow will do with their new nationalist friends.

    Hopefully nothing - they are all retarded

    Of course the EU ruling-class, expansionism and imperialism under the guise of liberalism needs to be crushed as it's a threat to Russia; and these people have been actively damaging Russian interests ever since the first colour revolutions in Georgia and the Ukraine.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:26 am

    You know, after seeing those pics of the heads of this "uprising" with Mc.Cain and Sakashvili and J.Kerry's constant BS, a thought went through my mind that made want to sit down and cool my head. Neutral 

    I never thought the day would ever come that i would actually wish Stalin was still in power.  No

    Ooh, and i just had to post this:
    Ill omen? Pope’s doves of peace for Ukraine attacked by angry birds
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     lol! 
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:32 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:You know, after seeing those pics of the heads of this "uprising" with Mc.Cain and Sakashvili and J.Kerry's constant BS, a thought went through my mind that made want to sit down and cool my head. Neutral 

    I never thought the day would ever come that i would actually wish Stalin was still in power.  No

    Ooh, and i just had to post this:
    Ill omen? Pope’s doves of peace for Ukraine attacked by angry birds
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     lol! 

    ...I wouldn't go that far, wishing for Stalin to be back, though I wish Boris Yeltsin never came in to power seeing how he let Ukraine, the Baltic states, and Georgia break away.Those states may very well in the future cause thermonuclear war with the expansion of the ABM bases (something historically agreed upon not to explore between the NATO states and the Warsaw Pact), their aggressive posturing towards ABM bases shows they never deserved independence. Let's not forget Ukraine had been Russian territory for over 100 years, and has culture similarities with Russia, while in stark contrast the British had nothing in common with the native population of India, or of South Africa for that matter.
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    Post  Firebird Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:48 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:You know, after seeing those pics of the heads of this "uprising" with Mc.Cain and Sakashvili and J.Kerry's constant BS, a thought went through my mind that made want to sit down and cool my head. Neutral 

    I never thought the day would ever come that i would actually wish Stalin was still in power.  No

    Ooh, and i just had to post this:
    Ill omen? Pope’s doves of peace for Ukraine attacked by angry birds
    Link
     lol! 

    ...I wouldn't go that far, wishing for Stalin to be back, though I wish Boris Yeltsin never came in to power seeing how he let Ukraine, the Baltic states, and Georgia break away.Those states may very well in the future cause thermonuclear war with the expansion of the ABM bases (something historically agreed upon not to explore between the NATO states and the Warsaw Pact), their aggressive posturing towards ABM bases shows they never deserved independence. Let's not forget Ukraine had been Russian territory for over 100 years, and has culture similarities with Russia, while in stark contrast the British had nothing in common with the native population of India, or of South Africa for that matter.

    Or rather, since the 10th century.

    Those clowns even say "we are Russia, but you in Moscow stole the name".
    They are pathetic, like retarded children. Yanukovich should lock every single terrorist and foreign agitator up for a very long time.
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    Post  As Sa'iqa Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:41 pm

    It's time to help start some small uprising, gentlemen. Wink 
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    Post  etaepsilonk Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:10 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:You know, after seeing those pics of the heads of this "uprising" with Mc.Cain and Sakashvili and J.Kerry's constant BS, a thought went through my mind that made want to sit down and cool my head. Neutral 

    I never thought the day would ever come that i would actually wish Stalin was still in power.  No

    Why not Beria?  Rolling Eyes 
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:41 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:You know, after seeing those pics of the heads of this "uprising" with Mc.Cain and Sakashvili and J.Kerry's constant BS, a thought went through my mind that made want to sit down and cool my head. Neutral 

    I never thought the day would ever come that i would actually wish Stalin was still in power.  No

    Why not Beria?  Rolling Eyes 

    Wikipedia: Lavrentiy Beria
    Hmmm... even better.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:08 pm

    To alfa:
    Nah, Darth Vader is better than two of them combined.
    And Omega Shenron is even more powerful, although not as cool as the former.



    flamming_python wrote:Looks like we're gonna lose that $3 billion that Putin already (generously) transferred to them. Nice one Puts.. Good thing the rest of the $15 bil is still in place; our politicians at least had enough sense to not transfer everything at once.

    The Ukraine is a massive drag

    Jokes on Russia, because it appears that another 2 billion deal is proceeding  Laughing 

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/reuters-ukraine-borrows-2-billion-from-moscow-signals-bailout-on-track-335684.html
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    Post  TR1 Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:18 pm

    Hopefully that money has some nice %s on it.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:22 pm

    TR1 wrote:Hopefully that money has some nice %s on it.

    Ah, come on, TR1, having the elite "Titushki" forces requires a lot of money, isn't it? Smile
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:00 pm

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    Very Happy

    This wonderful map accompanied the latest piece of Western propaganda, get this:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/01/27/envious-of-ukraine-russians-are-circulating-this-satirical-map-of-russia/
    Envious of Ukraine, Russians are circulating this satirical map of Russia

    Oh yes, how envious we Russians are! Why, let's make downtown Moscow a warzone too!  cheers 
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    Post  etaepsilonk Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:27 pm

    LOL. Even lake Baikal is included  Laughing 

    It's actually pretty funny that this map is comming from Americans, considering the fact that they don't even have Ramzan  lol!



    And don't worry, Python, since all ten Russian opposition activists went to Kiev, noone would even attend Moscow protests  lol1


    Anyway, moving along:


    I'd like to name this one "The unbelievable adventures of nazis in Ukraine"  Wink 
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    Post  TR1 Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:17 pm

    LOLing so hard at this "envious Russians"

    Western media really loves to circlejerk until they believe their own crap.

    This protest is showing one thing:

    1.) Ukranians apparently don't get how democracy works.
    2.) They apparently don't get why their economy is in shit shape
    3.) Their irrational hate of Russia makes them blind to the realities of the above.

    It is embarrassing.

    And I am not someone who thinks the whole protest is Western orchestrated.

    Ukranians are just that...special..themselves.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:16 am

    TR1 wrote:LOLing so hard at this "envious Russians"

    Western media really loves to circlejerk until they believe their own crap.

    This protest is showing one thing:

    1.) Ukranians apparently don't get how democracy works.
    2.) They apparently don't get why their economy is in shit shape
    3.) Their irrational hate of Russia makes them blind to the realities of the above.

    It is embarrassing.

    And I am not someone who thinks the whole protest is Western orchestrated.

    Ukranians are just that...special..themselves.

    1) It's more like they (Ukrainians) have completely failed to grasp even the most rudimentary understanding of how geopolitics work.
    2) (Why is there economy tanking..... i am not familiar with there situation, is it because of Russia, Yushchenko, Yanukovych,...umm Kuchma?)
    3) There blindness and ignorance is both shocking and embarrassing, to allow themselves to knowingly be used like this, they are truly puppets/pawns.

    of course the west isn't completely in behind this, like in Syria there are many player with there own ambitions, but for now as long as this destabilizes Ukraine they will do whatever it takes to keep feeding this fire and of course use it against the Kremlin every chance they get.
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    Post  Regular Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:37 am

    TR1 wrote:LOLing so hard at this "envious Russians"

    Western media really loves to circlejerk until they believe their own crap.

    This protest is showing one thing:

    1.) Ukranians apparently don't get how democracy works.
    2.) They apparently don't get why their economy is in shit shape
    3.) Their irrational hate of Russia makes them blind to the realities of the above.

    It is embarrassing.

    And I am not someone who thinks the whole protest is Western orchestrated.

    Ukranians are just that...special..themselves.

    1. Democracy was never tried in Ukraine. I mean proper one where ethnic crap could be put aside. Orange revolution was pseudo democratic one.
    2. They do and that what pisses them off. They would be kissing Yanuk ballas if country would prosper. And they would topple Klitchko if he would act like Yanukovitch.
    Well rioters don't hate Russia or Russians as much as their own government. 
    3. There is no irrational hate of Russia or Russians except from radicals. But hell they even attacked polish tourist bus recently. 

    And Ukrainians are special, maybe someone still remembers the saying - vse gavno kanchyaitsa na O:D 
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    Post  Regular Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:50 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:1) It's more like they (Ukrainians) have completely failed to grasp even the most rudimentary understanding of how geopolitics work.
    2) (Why is there economy tanking..... i am not familiar with there situation, is it because of Russia, Yushchenko, Yanukovych,...umm Kuchma?)
    3) There blindness and ignorance is both shocking and embarrassing, to allow themselves to knowingly be used like this, they are truly puppets/pawns.

    of course the west isn't completely in behind this, like in Syria there are many player with there own ambitions, but for now as long as this destabilizes Ukraine they will do whatever it takes to keep feeding this fire and of course use it against the Kremlin every chance they get.

    1. Yanukovitch also failed to grasp how geopolitics work. Was his flirting with EU necessary? Why he destabilized his country by trying to sit on both chairs in same time? And You are asking something from common people then? It would be the east rising if he would've chosen EU and failed to get funds to float Ukraine. Common, not all protesters are rioters, not all of them are nazies. Look how Klitchko can't handle situation when he tries to pretend he is in charge. Do You think those radicals who act in relative small groups are interested in European Values, like equality and freedom ? Very Happy
    2. Economy is tanking because this state is rotting, it's not efficient, it was robbed by pro West pro East crew. Nepotism Stronk!. It might not be bad as shit soaked Romania or rathole Bulgaria(no offense to people who live there) who only stay alive on EU money. Ukraine haven't dealt with many factors that normal countries had in 90ies. Basically their post soviet dark age never ended. They can blame various Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs for that, but it's their fault they didn't manage to contain them.
    3. Used by whom? EU is not gonna profit if Ukraine will go tits up. And it seems that where everything is going. By listening to rhetoric of McCain and alike You can clearly see who has hard on seeing this shit happening next to Russian border. They are trying to portray this thing as fight for freedom and democratic cookies.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:33 pm

    Apparently yanuk already resigned. Oh well lets hope a right wing coup is stopped and Ukraine remain united.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:02 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Apparently yanuk already resigned. Oh well lets hope a right wing coup is stopped and Ukraine remain united.

    Of course Yanukovich is not and will not resign.

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