The Situation in the Ukraine. #1

Just a question and I want honest answer. Why Russian troops don't have any insignia and some of them are very eager to cover their faces?

Regular wrote:Just a question and I want honest answer. Why Russian troops don't have any insignia and some of them are very eager to cover their faces?

I don't know but it is suspicious, the face covering is understandable in that situation tho.

Werewolf wrote:

Regular wrote:Just a question and I want honest answer. Why Russian troops don't have any insignia and some of them are very eager to cover their faces?

I don't know but it is suspicious, the face covering is understandable in that situation tho.

Some of them could be SF units. Well shoot me in the head but morpehi look very well uniformed and equipped. Massive improvement over 6 years, from uniforms to professionalism.

14:25:
Mr Kerry warned Russia could lose its place in the G8 over its deployment of troops in Ukraine.

"[Vladimir Putin] may find himself with asset freezes, on Russian business, American business may pull back, there may be a further tumble of the ruble," the US Secretary of State said.

Obviously Putin has China's economic OK. All this are mere crap. Now I trust this yellow guys tremendously because they act only when they are absolutely certain that they can carry their job through so I don't bite.

flamming_python wrote:
Because there is nowhere good to sow the insignia on in the uniform, so many units just never sowed them on.
And because facemasks are part of the new Russian uniform if you look back at a couple of the threads here.

If you look at the Afghan army or the Iraqi army , they wear US army fatigue . Not sure about Iraq but a number of Afghan army soldiers do not have any insignia either . So from a distant they can very easily be mistaken as US soldiers.

The timing of the Western meddling absolutely stinks.
Just as NATO is ending its atrocities in Iraq/Aghan. Just as America will stop needing Russia logistics support for it. And just as Sochi was starting. I don't think Russia's leaning towards the BRICS is a coincidence either, in regards the Western meddling.

I was a little surprised over the last 2 wks that Russia didn't use more special forces/antiMaiden protesters. Now I think I can see that Putin wanted to be a little hands off. And then say "ok you've really started taking the piss against a supposed partner (ie Russia) and now there is only one solution". It seems his view was to be patient and measured. But I'm shocked at how brazen some of the Western troublemakers have been.

I just hope the Ukrainians put down their arms/all ally to Russia/Yanukovich and that there is no continued bloodshed. Vermin like Right Sector don't care about people's lives, because lets face it, THEIR lives are pretty fucked up, hate filled and pathetic.

flamming_python wrote:

Regular wrote:Just a question and I want honest answer. Why Russian troops don't have any insignia and some of them are very eager to cover their faces?

Because there is nowhere good to sow the insignia on in the uniform, so many units just never sowed them on.
And because facemasks are part of the new Russian uniform if you look back at a couple of the threads here.

Sorry I don't buy it. Suddenly all insignia just fell off even from guys who wear different uniforms as well?


I swear I've seen new russian uniforms with blood type patches and etc before.
You know that Geneva convention has a thing about combatant without insignia?

Meanwhile in MOSCOW ...allegedly

Hannibal Barca wrote:Obviously Putin has China's economic OK. All this are mere crap. Now I trust this yellow guys tremendously because they act only when they are absolutely certain that they can carry their job through so I don't bite.

China will have its share of flesh to help Russia.

Not a good idea to involve militarily unless there is bloodshed of Russian people there but so far it looks good.

flamming_python wrote:

Just my version; but I've seen plenty of pics of Russian troops without insignia, and not just on the new uniforms admittedly.

Yeah I've noticed that in Sochi pictures as well. 
Do marines have IFF tags? I don't see any, but I might be wrong.

China calls for dialogue to resolve Ukraine crisis
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/02/us-ukraine-crisis-china-idUSBREA2108G20140302

Yeah China is "backing" Russia

flamming_python wrote:I have no idea if this pic is true

I doubt it is Moscow .

flamming_python wrote:This now looks impossible.

Why flamming ? If Putin takes over Crimea tomorrow do you think anyone in the EU/NATO will be able to defend Ukraine ?

And the Ukranians are certainly not going to fight the Russian army . You can perish that thought . There could be a few stray attacks , a few IED's laid here & there , the usual impotent ways of protesting . Nothing more than that .

Khrushchev gave away Crimea to Ukraine without taking into account the views of Russians settled in the Crimea . Why ?
(He did the same with Kazakhstan as well . A significant part of Russian Siberia was handed over to Kazakhstan)

Basically the West is paying back Russia for Syria . Period .

In the long run they will try to pull of a similar act in Moscow .

Sujoy wrote:

flamming_python wrote:I have no idea if this pic is true

I doubt it is Moscow .

DPS Mondeo looks like it's from Moscow. Deffo not Piter. Not familiar with architecture, but lanes, roundabouts sure creek of Moscow

Austin wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:Obviously Putin has China's economic OK. All this are mere crap. Now I trust this yellow guys tremendously because they act only when they are absolutely certain that they can carry their job through so I don't bite.

China will have its share of flesh to help Russia.

Not a good idea to involve militarily unless there is bloodshed of Russian people there but so far it looks good.

I disagree. China cares for the big picture not for the Ukraine or any other fail state. They need to expel American interests from Europe to dominate global economy and diplomacy.
Europe is easy pray because there are many, small, divided with a long history of conflicts and socially and economically troubled countries.
I don't think they expect to gain money quite the opposite. They need to spend trillions of their surpluses the following decades to "buy" those countries.
This is precisely what USA was doing certainly from 1945 to 1972 and in a lower rate until 2008 and they managed to do crazy things like marry Greece with Turkey or France with Germany or Germany with Poland etc.
Money make the world spin and judging from Syria I think they know that they have to put the hand deep into the pocket.

BTW this is precisely what USA tried to do in Iraq and Afghanistan among others since 2001. They didn't try anything fundamentally different from what they did with Europe or Japan after ww2. It is called nation building. And this is what they promised to do with eastern Europe, that's why they convince everyone to come on board.
Problem is...the surpluses are not anymore here so they can't use the old medicine anymore to the contrary, old "clients" start now complaining from nowhere.

Goes without saying that IF this idea of mine is correct Russia as a mediator gonna get a really really hefty share on her own, in every aspect.

These Are the American Forces That Could Fight in Ukraine


https://medium.com/war-is-boring/86604672f2a6

American's aint fighting in Ukraine. End of story.

Regular wrote:What do You guys think about these poor chaps? They suppose to be Ukrainian marines.
Will this standoff end in violence? They are surrounded and Russian are declaring them to surrender or they will attack [size=13.333333015441895]Perevalne base. If I'm correct they are told to surrender by 23:00. I hope Russians have proper NVG equipment. I doubt these folks have it. Number-wise it's not great for them either.[/size]

As you can see they have taken the magazines out of their weapons (I think).

Not sure if it is this particular base, but at others:

1.) Negotiations resolved the situation. Armed polite men left.
2.) Ukranians were disarmed.
3.) At some bases, supposed "siege" was not been occurring.

Nobody has been hurt or killed yet.


Shitty situation for those Ukrainians to be in.
Military morale must be all time low.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5if2iKLgsI

Tigr, the tool of oppression. First Georgia, now Ukraine. Who is next?!?

I would like to ask a question regarding Crimea. As I know Crimea want to have a referendum for independence in 1992, but this didn't happened as Crimea cancel it and later Russia and Ukraine rich agreement of friendship in 1997, where Crimea is special chapter. Although building all needed infrastructure for BSF in Russian territory they prolonged rent of Sevastopol together with prolonging agreement. Does Russia have any obligations regarding security of Crimea, that Crimea agree to not have referendum according to agreement? If they have this obligation, that Russia have no choice than to give protection to Crimea, when Crimea officially ask for it. Did Russia give Crimea guaranties for canceling referendum to prevent war in that time?

TR1 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5if2iKLgsI

Tigr, the tool of oppression. First Georgia, now Ukraine. Who is next?!?

Quite a few Tigr's are already in active use. Vodnik wasn't purchased if i remember right?