The Situation in the Ukraine. #1

Its a good decision by Russia to continue funding the promised $15 Billion and Gas Subsidy.

Reason being people are not dumb and Ukranians must have seen that few neo-Nazis managed to disrupt the government but the Silent Majority will prove its point while Voting.

Cancelling any assistance will be just playing into EU hands and will get bad name of Russia and lack of good will ...will be opportunistic to help government but not people.

Even if Ukrainian signs the EU deal , the closure of Industry in Ukraine due to Cheap Imports will itself force another revolution inside the country and that would span many millions on the street.

What ever has happened has happened for good .....Russia should help the Ukrainian during difficult times to help win back good will and faith of the people and for its own Strategic Industry like Aerospace and Space Sector. 

Bottom Line is an Unstable Ukraine is bad for Russia in the long run

If radicals will get into gov and they are trying hard then good bye EU and goodbye Russia. Ukrainian gov is criminal element on it's own, but I doubt corruption will be gone. We might see never ending revolutions.

Regular wrote:If radicals will get into gov and they are trying hard then good bye EU and goodbye Russia. Ukrainian gov is criminal element on it's own, but I doubt corruption will be gone. We might see never ending revolutions.

If the right wing readicals take over they will most likely only fund the west parts of Ukraine, so if there's protests from the easterners they can just start crying to the west how its a "commie plot" so it can get additional funding and like barhain such a revolution attempt from the opposite side won't be portrayed in the western media.

... obviously it will all be Russias fault. wrote:

A parody about the western media to blame putin for everything.

Werewolf wrote:
A parody about the western media to blame putin for everything.

imo take everything from them as complement-bitwise.

Everything that I was predicting went wrong in this crisis. I believe Russian pessimism made the worst of the occasion. They should had regain order much faster. Now we are indeed heading towards war type situations, a kind of de facto separation and a mega stalemate. Obviously either they should offer Ukraine as gift to USA and hope this will backfire either take violent action. This was pretty much obvious from the beginning but somehow they was thinking that they can avoid this. Trying to separate now won't work.

I'm pretty sure it won't take even 6 month when Ukraine gets offered to install ABM or NATO bases in it.
The question is what Russia will do with their military facilities and EW radars when they are targeted and or trying to get access to them in sevastopol and/or mukachevo such attempts are very likely and would be direct military conflict with russia and under the facistic party right now who knows how nuts this russophobic (which is funny since this retards are russians too) people really are.

Can you make a brief summary sir?

Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv/euromaidan-rallies-in-ukraine-feb-21-live-updates-337287.html

Looks like 1993 constitutional crisis all over again  


Sikorski's comments on that:
Sikorski: No coup in Ukraine
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/sikorski-no-coup-in-ukraine-337380.html

etaepsilonk wrote:Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv/euromaidan-rallies-in-ukraine-feb-21-live-updates-337287.html

Looks like 1993 constitutional crisis all over again  


Sikorski's comments on that:
Sikorski: No coup in Ukraine
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/sikorski-no-coup-in-ukraine-337380.html

Do you want to replace the Joker?

Really biased source

No one's forcing you to believe it, if you don't want to.
If you think the information is biased, feel free to post better sources.


On another note, could anyone here elaborate this information?
http://glavnoe.ua/news/n166374

It would appear, that Ukraine's presidential aircraft has flown to Emirates. Is this really right?



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Also, Ukraine's defence ministry said that it won't be involved in the conflict:



"Ukrainian armed forces remain loyal to the nation

Ukrainian Defense Ministry stressed that the country's armed forces in any way can not and will not be implicated in a political conflict.

Ukrainian armed forces in any way can not and will not be implicated in a political conflict will remain faithful to the Ukrainian people, and will continue its public tasks assigned to their press release writes the Ukrainian defense mystery .

" At this difficult time, we are the party of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense personnel , we emphasize that we have been and remain loyal to the military oath , the Constitution of Ukraine , and will stick to the Ukrainian armed forces and the requirements of the Statute of the laws governing the defense of the institution. Deeply mourn for loss of human life and we hope that this our country will never happen again , " - said the report ."

http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/ukrainos-parlamentas-nubalsavo-atstatydinti-v-janukovyciu-ir-paskelbe-pirmalaikiu-rinkimu-data.d?id=64098494#ixzz2u4RhbwsP








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In addition, some heads of eastern regions said, that they won't abide by Rada's rule:


"Eastern regions of Ukraine unacceptable current parliamentary decisions

Eastern regions of Ukraine 's leaders , who have remained loyal to President Viktor Yanukovich, challenging the legitimacy of the national parliament and claims sovereignty over their territories, reports Reuters.

Over the past 24 hours the Verkhovna Rada adopted a number of laws that limit presidential powers and opens the way for a unity government and early presidential elections.

"We are not going to split the country . We want to save it , " - said Mikhail Dobkinas , Kharkov region governor , regional leaders meeting in Kharkov on Saturday.

However, the resolution adopted at the meeting , stated that "the decisions of the Ukrainian parliament in such circumstances raises doubts as to their ( ... ) legality .

The resolution also states that " the main body in the country paralyzed . While the legitimacy of the constitutional order and will not restore ( ... ), we decided to take responsibility for the constitutional order, legality , civil rights and the safety of your storage areas .

http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/ukrainos-parlamentas-nubalsavo-atstatydinti-v-janukovyciu-ir-paskelbe-pirmalaikiu-rinkimu-data.d?id=64098494#ixzz2u4SXSjuK"


Well, this is rather disturbing  

It's quite pathetic that the U.S. state dept. is funding neo-nazi's like Oleh Tyahnybok; the 328-0 ruling for impeachment sounds artificial, I wonder what the Ukrainian military has to say? The battle is here, prevent the creation of a NATO puppet state, the consequences of not doing so might be a thermonuclear first strike.

magnumcromagnon wrote:It's quite pathetic that the U.S. state dept. is funding neo-nazi's like Oleh Tyahnybok; the 328-0 ruling for impeachment sounds artificial, I wonder what the Ukrainian military has to say? The battle is here, prevent the creation of a NATO puppet state, the consequences of not doing so might be a thermonuclear first strike.

From what I see only a miracle can save the situation. Fucking losers it was obvious from the very beginning.
Pacifists, my ass! I hope Putin is as brilliant as I think he is, else....

There were reports of snipers shooting both at LEOs and protesters. Even Ukrainian institutions announced that they have video of it. I hope they will release it.
Listening to snipers looking for armed people You can get idea that they already had losses by snipers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeq8Pq-l1uI 

I'm pretty much sure there will be counter revolution if western Ukrainians will try to dominate eastern brothers. They know if they loose east they will be totally skint. Police(or what is left out of it) or army would completely collapse in such situation.
Strange that USA was against such fast actions and they wanted Yanuk to stay in power for some time. Probably because they wanted to put right people into posts. 
You can see how so called Maidan leaders where happy with agreement not long ago where they got gov. posts and all. Klitchko was was even kissing Yanuks hand  If i would be maidan activist, I would see it as betrayal.

I wonder what the Ukrainian military has to say?

18 year old conscripts from all over the country would rather stay calm in their barracks. There are maidan supporters among them for sure, so it's rather wise to keep them out of this shit.

https://youtu.be/qSvj8F_Br4M?t=12m11s The guy with blue helmet will get a bullet in his head. He appeared in other videos before and it seems he had no firearm. I have to admire ukrainians, be it LEOs or rioters, they have balls. Most of the westerners would be crapping their pants, but these guys seem to retrieve every wounded and killed even if it means they will cut down by bullets. Like here, https://youtu.be/qSvj8F_Br4M?t=14m9s
Very very sad picture no matter what are You supporting.

Two questions

Will CSTO countries will be inclined to Join EU if Ukraine joins it ? And does it mean they will have to break off from CSTO to Join EU ?

Does CSTO country have any Economic Union of their own ?

Thanks

Austin wrote:Two questions

Will CSTO countries will be inclined to Join EU if Ukraine joins it ? And does it mean they will have to break off from CSTO to Join EU ?

Does CSTO country have any Economic Union of their own ?

Thanks

For Ukraine to join EU they have to avoid default. There is loads of reforms ahead as well.
Ukraine is not in CSTO, there is a custom union between some of CSTO countries. I doubt that EU would be an option for let's say Tajikistan:-D

Sad situation.

Anyways. Let's look about military programs and cooperation with Ukraine - what will be affected in case Ukraine's government decides to be anti-Russia.

- I believe engines for Kh-35 are now made in Russia. So no possible negative outcome there
- Helicopter engines: are they still being sourced fro Motor-Sich Ukraine?
- Russia will let the An-70 program die a natural death. The Il-76 will be the sole large Russian transport plane.
- The An-178 (Cargo version of the An-148) will no longer be interesting. Russia will opt for the Il-117V instead.
- The cargo transport version of the AN-140 will die before birth.

TheArmenian wrote:Sad situation.

Anyways. Let's look about military programs and cooperation with Ukraine - what will be affected in case Ukraine's government decides to be anti-Russia.

- I believe engines for Kh-35 are now made in Russia. So no possible negative outcome there
- Helicopter engines: are they still being sourced fro Motor-Sich Ukraine?
- Russia will let the An-70 program die a natural death. The Il-76 will be the sole large Russian transport plane.
- The An-178 (Cargo version of the An-148) will no longer be interesting. Russia will opt for the Il-117V instead.
- The cargo transport version of the AN-140 will die before birth.

fortunately many of the programs and designers are from eastern Ukraine so if there's an antirussian government the east will secede and that will certainly continue cooperation.

TheArmenian wrote:Sad situation.

Anyways. Let's look about military programs and cooperation with Ukraine - what will be affected in case Ukraine's government decides to be anti-Russia.

- I believe engines for Kh-35 are now made in Russia. So no possible negative outcome there
- Helicopter engines: are they still being sourced fro Motor-Sich Ukraine?
- Russia will let the An-70 program die a natural death. The Il-76 will be the sole large Russian transport plane.
- The An-178 (Cargo version of the An-148) will no longer be interesting. Russia will opt for the Il-117V instead.
- The cargo transport version of the AN-140 will die before birth.

1.) Russia still uses massive amounts of engines from Motor-Sich. No way around it. The shift has been happening, but it is not complete, nor will it be for years.
However I would love to see it accelerated by these events.
2.) One can hope about An-70. Better just work with a foreign partner (hell even teh Chinese) on a replacement in the future.
3.) An-178 was dead anyways, the earlier optimism was just that.
4.) Regarding cruise missiles (tactical and strategic) that has been localized over the past decade. For obvious strategic reasons.
5.) One can hope regarding An-140. Further development of that plane really makes little sense.

Seems like Russian Troops in Ukraine is something top of US NSA mind 

Bringing of Russian troops to Ukraine would be "grave mistake" - US national security adviser

US President Barack Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, said on Sunday it would be a "grave mistake" for Russia to send military forces into Ukraine and that it is not in the interest of Russia, Europe or the United States to see Ukraine split apart.

Speaking on the NBC program "Meet the Press," Rice was asked about a possible scenario in which Russia would send forces into Ukraine to restore a government more friendly to Moscow.

"That would be a grave mistake. It's not in the interests of Ukraine or of Russia or of Europe or the United States to see a country split.

She also said it was in no one's interest to see crisis-hit Ukraine break apart and called for calm.

"It's not in the interests of Ukraine or of Russia or of Europe or of the United States to see the country split," Rice told NBC's "Meet the Press" program. "It's in nobody's interest to see violence return and the situation escalate."

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-acting-president-yanukovich-339/