Republic of Novorossiya

Khepesh wrote:^  Thanks, I will try, and could do a better job if I had Rozhin's resources, but I don't

But yes, not enough attention is given to the bigger picture, of were this all ends, and it will one day. When the war resumes and Kiev fails again, what then, Minsk 3, then six months later another attempt by Kiev, another fail and Minsk 4? No, this it, no Minsk 3, but then what, Kharkov as a minimum, the Dnepr at Kherson, but Odessa still a dream...

marat wrote:Hi i am still new on this forum but some members could remember me from MP. My basic interest in this  conflict, during ceasefire is economy.

Could you please post here ( or to open separate topic?) information about economy situation in DNR&LNR.
I can find news regarding Ukraina but it is hard to get info regarding Novorossia. Especially i am interested regarding economy relations with Russia.

magnumcromagnon wrote:I know Donetsk PR is surviving with the help of the coal economy, but apparently a fairly big zinc/lead company called CJSC «Svinets» is based in Ukraine, Donetsk region, Konstantinovka...is that a region controlled by the rebels? They could sure use that financing.

franco wrote:In 2013, the population of Donesk and Lugansk was estimated at around 6,600,000. Today Pushkin states that 3,090,000 live in the two Republics. The rest ??

flamming_python wrote:
My only hope is that these people will paid back and liquidated in excrutiating pain. Scum.

George1 wrote:Donetsk, Luhansk self-proclaimed republics ready to remain part of Ukraine

Luhansk republic's representative in the Contact Group on Ukraine Vladislav Deinego commented on new proposals from the unrecognized republics on amendments to the Ukrainian constitution.

MOSCOW, June 9. /TASS/. The self-proclaimed Luhansk and Donetsk people’s republics (LPR and DPR) are ready to remain part of Ukraine for the sake of ending hostilities in Donbas, LPR plenipotentiary representative in the Contact Group on Ukraine Vladislav Deinego said Tuesday while commenting on new proposals from the LPR and DPR on amendments to the Ukrainian constitution.

"The fact that Luhansk and Donetsk are ready to meet the Kiev authorities halfway was announced not now by our proposals for the constitution, and not even in the winter. It was announced by the republics back in September last year at the first meeting in Minsk," LuganskInformCenter quoted Deinego as saying.

"The documents signed September 5 [last year] stipulate movement in that direction. Back then, despite military successes of the militia, for the sake of stopping bloodshed, the republics agreed to such a huge compromise and to remain part of Ukraine as independent entities," he said.

"It seems unthinkable, but people who seized power in Kiev are not ready to meet halfway our integration back into Ukraine by means of decentralization. Nevertheless, we are still ready for peaceful constructive dialogue and continuation of that process," Deinego said.

On Monday, DPR and LPR representatives sent coordinator of the Contact Group's political working subgroup from the OSCE Pierre Morel additional proposals regarding draft amendments to the Ukrainian constitution.

In particular, they suggest stipulating that the Ukrainian law "On a special procedure of local self-rule in certain districts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions" be valid without time limits. It is also suggested that the function of ending the powers of chief executives of certain districts with a special status in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions be solely in the jurisdiction of those regions.

GarryB wrote:Plus a period of real peace and serious autonomy will allow them to improve their situation, and with good relations with neighbouring Russia there is potential for serious development and growth, while still having some influence on Ukraine as a whole in terms of getting rid of the current nazi regime via the ballot box.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Better to be a slave than be dead.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

GarryB wrote:Plus a period of real peace and serious autonomy will allow them to improve their situation, and with good relations with neighbouring Russia there is potential for serious development and growth, while still having some influence on Ukraine as a whole in terms of getting rid of the current nazi regime via the ballot box.

What do you think will happen when Novorossiya lays down its arms? Real peace and serious autonomy?

Of course there will be no federal status or even autonomy, but direct rule by Kiev. Thousands of more people will be killed and imprisoned even after the final surrender of DPR and LPR (basically anyone who can be accused of cooperation with the DPR/LPR authorities).

Naturally the DPR/LPR leadership and all military personnel will have to escape to Russia before the surrender of Novorossiya. They would not be spared by Kiev but they would be all tortured and imprisoned/executed. Any promise of autonomy will be forgotten as soon as Kiev gets the control of the region. The situation will be similar to Odessa and Kharkov. Any resistance of the regime will be brutally oppressed and no dissenting political views will be tolerated.

But I do understand Novorossiyans. Since Russian help is not coming it is better to capitulate and surrender than to continue this pointless war. Better to be a slave than be dead.

Teshub wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Better to be a slave than be dead.

B******t. Everybody has their limit. In western nations we are already seeing violent riots against austerity, police brutality and soon Orwellian surveillance. Its only going to get worse as people realise they are being gradually subjugated to the point of slavery.

Once hunger and repression reach a critical point, the Ukrainians are going to rise up once again... this time however, it will not backed by plastic bags of US Dollars and led by Polish trained ultra-nationalists, but by mass civil disobedience. All Novorussia has to do is hold out until the rest of the country collapses.

I find it disgusting that anyone here would believe that its better to be a slave than fight back and risk death. Your entire life: your home, your disposable income, your full belly, your legal right to a fair trial, free speech, freedom of religion, sexual equality, education, health care - absolutely every bloody thing you have - is ALL the result of generations of common people who have fought against tyranny and slavery, whether it was called feudalism, indentured labour or central government.

You never, ever piss that away. You fight for it, tooth and nail, yea, even until death.

GarryB wrote:Plus a period of real peace and serious autonomy will allow them to improve their situation, and with good relations with neighbouring Russia there is potential for serious development and growth, while still having some influence on Ukraine as a whole in terms of getting rid of the current nazi regime via the ballot box.

Since I wrote my previous piece on this bizarre story (see The LPR and DPR Did NOT Recognize Crimea as Part of Ukraine, Russia Insider, 10th June 2015 http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/lpr-and-dpr-did-not-recognise-crimea-part-ukraine/ri7873) the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics have revoked publication of the amended article 133.

They did so precisely in order to close the story down.

In doing so they have provided the identical explanation to the one I did.

The report from Interfax report setting out the comments of Pushilin and Deinego, the chief negotiators of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, reads as follows:

“MOSCOW. June 10 (Interfax) - The self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics have decided to revoke additional amendments to the Ukrainian constitution mentioning Crimea and Sevastopol, which they presented to the Trilateral Contact Group two days ago, the Donetsk news agency has said.

“There is no doubt, the DPR and the LPR regard Crimea as a part of Russia. Moreover, our republics think it would be ideal to join the Russian Federation,” said the report quoting the DPR and LPR negotiators, Denis Pushilin and Vladislav Deinego, as saying.

The negotiators reiterated the validity of the other amendments.

“The mention of Crimea in the draft amendments we have proposed to individual articles of the current Ukrainian constitution has a purely technical and legal meaning; this mention does not have any substantive significance for the simple reason that Crimea is not and cannot be a subject of the Minsk negotiations. We suggest that Ukraine should accept the other amendments immediately,” the report said.

The amendments mentioning Crimea and Sevastopol are being revoked “in order to avoid further speculation, as Ukrainian propaganda is trying present insignificant formalities as a political event,” it said.”


The Interfax report is interesting in one other respect in that it confirms the People’s Republics’ desire is to unite with Russia.

Whilst this is in truth a complete non-story, it does again illustrate one particular point.

The constitutional amendments were published to strengthen Russia’s position in diplomatic discussions that are currently underway.

They appear to have been published to coincide with a telephone conversation Russian foreign minister Lavrov had with German foreign minister Steinmeier.

Lavrov complained to Steinmeier about Kiev’s failure to enter into constitutional negotiations with the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, as it is required to do by the terms of the Minsk Memorandum. Publication of the constitutional amendments was intended to remind Steinmeier of Kiev’s obligation to enter into constitutional negotiations and its failure to do so, in contrast to the readiness to do so of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics.

This is not an unusual play. In 1972 the Vietnamese did the same thing when they published the text of the draft Paris Peace Accords in order to rally diplomatic support on the eve of the US Christmas bombing of Hanoi.

However in dealing with the Ukrainian government and the Western media such an approach carries risk. As should be obvious by now, they take no prisoners, and given the risk for misrepresentation inherent in publishing draft amendments that should at this stage be discussed only in private, this was perhaps a play too far.

In any event, with the publication of the latest comments of the negotiators of the People’s Republics, this episode is now closed.

Svyatoslavich wrote:I wonder if Russia will want to absorb Donetsk and Lugansk. Crimea joined Russia in a completely peaceful process, with no human or material losses, and requires a lot of investments; imagine how much it would cost these much bigger, more populated and war-torn regions.

George1 wrote:In a joint statement the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics in eastern Ukraine said that they would like to join Russia.

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