Project 21631: Buyan-M missile ship

Mindstorm wrote:


Is news of few days ago that the Norwegian Kongsberg "Naval Strike Missile" has been selected as the future cruise missile selected for this US class of ships attempting to apply the "distributed lethality" concept (large cruise missile initialization and separation from ships of similar tonnage, in particular Буян-М one, is an incredibly complex feat that US engineers have to still to master) ,anyone can easily understand the crushing difference, even under a strategical, not merely tactical point of view, with a Буян-М armed with Калибр.

I believe that is not necessary, for what said until now, point out how the idea of barges with high number of offensive weapons would contradict the basis trend of medern naval requirements and doctrine, producing the effects opposites of what previously highlighted : substantial reduction of the survivability of the sea-based offensive pontential and the facilitation of the enemy ISR efforts.

Hole wrote:But would violate the INF treaty so max. range of 500km.

Cancel the purpose-build barges. Just use the containers on river ships.

Hole wrote:

No mention of hypersonic missiles in the INF treaty.

TheArmenian wrote:

Hole wrote:

No mention of hypersonic missiles in the INF treaty.

No.

Anything (Ballistic, cruise, sonic, hypersonic, parabolic, trumponic, melancholic etc.) that has a range from 500km to 5,500km is banned to be placed on land by the INF treaty.

Isos wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:

Hole wrote:

No mention of hypersonic missiles in the INF treaty.

No.

Anything (Ballistic, cruise, sonic, hypersonic, parabolic, trumponic, melancholic etc.) that has a range from 500km to 5,500km is banned to be placed on land by the INF treaty.

Deployed.


Those kalibr with 2500km range before going in ths ships are made and moved on land. You can stock them on a naval base and say it's for the ships but the first day just put them on truck.

Russia won't care about INF if war starts against USA. Same with US vls in Romania. The first day of a war they can just send some tomahawks inside that were stocked " for ship use only". There is no modification to do. Justload them in their tubes.

Hole wrote:As long as the INF treaty is there you can´t just put long-range cruise missiles on land. My idea with the barges or container on river ships was an answer to glorious mike who wanted more missiles.

The INF treaty only bans ballistic or cruise missiles. It doesn´t matter of a hypersonic missile flies a semi-ballistic trajectory or could count as a cruise missile. It is not in the text of the treaty.

INF treaty definition wrote:For the purposes of this Treaty:

1. The term "ballistic missile" means a missile that has a ballistic trajectory over most of its flight path. The term "ground-launched ballistic missile (GLBM)" means a ground-launched ballistic missile that is a weapon-delivery vehicle.

2. The term "cruise missile" means an unmanned, self-propelled vehicle that sustains flight through the use of aerodynamic lift over most of its flight path. The term "ground-launched cruise missile (GLCM)" means a ground-launched cruise missile that is a weapon-delivery vehicle.

hoom wrote:

INF treaty definition wrote:For the purposes of this Treaty:

1. The term "ballistic missile" means a missile that has a ballistic trajectory over most of its flight path. The term "ground-launched ballistic missile (GLBM)" means a ground-launched ballistic missile that is a weapon-delivery vehicle.

2. The term "cruise missile" means an unmanned, self-propelled vehicle that sustains flight through the use of aerodynamic lift over most of its flight path. The term "ground-launched cruise missile (GLCM)" means a ground-launched cruise missile that is a weapon-delivery vehicle.

google translate wrote:On Thursday, July 12, at the Zelenodolsk plant named after Gorky, part of the Ak Bars shipbuilding corporation, a solemn ceremony of laying the twelfth small missile ship of project 21631 "Buyan-M" will take place. This was announced on Tuesday, July 10, in the press service of the enterprise.

hoom wrote:12th Buyan-M to be laid down on 12th July
https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%97%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B412/

google translate wrote:On Thursday, July 12, at the Zelenodolsk plant named after Gorky, part of the Ak Bars shipbuilding corporation, a solemn ceremony of laying the twelfth small missile ship of project 21631 "Buyan-M" will take place. This was announced on Tuesday, July 10, in the press service of the enterprise.

Isos wrote:

hoom wrote:12th Buyan-M to be laid down on 12th July
https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%97%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B412/

google translate wrote:On Thursday, July 12, at the Zelenodolsk plant named after Gorky, part of the Ak Bars shipbuilding corporation, a solemn ceremony of laying the twelfth small missile ship of project 21631 "Buyan-M" will take place. This was announced on Tuesday, July 10, in the press service of the enterprise.

What for ? They moved on karakurt, why keep building this outdated ship ?

What for ? They moved on karakurt, why keep building this outdated ship ?

hoom wrote:

What for ? They moved on karakurt, why keep building this outdated ship ?

Because there is an existing contract.
Because Buyan-M is one combat ship thats been able to be put out consistently pretty fast & its better to keep building something thats been humming along than to change to a new type.
Because its rumored the last 3 will be upgraded version with Pantsir-M.
Because there is plenty of need for shallow water ops.

Several will stay in Black Sea Fleet for convenience sake and because Azov Sea is really shallow

Interfax-AVN was told in the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Russian Defense Ministry on Thursday.
"The ship is armed with the Caliber-NK missile system, the Pantsir-M air defense complex, and artillery armament," the report said.